GUILTY NY - Dr. Kathryn Faughey, 56, murdered in her Manhattan office, 12 Feb 2008

[luthersmama]

I believe it was a husband or boyfriend of someone she helped through a breakup.

This article says that most of her patients were women, many of them victims of domestic abuse. It also says that the murderer was screaming "Nobody is helping me!!!" as he killed her.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...rder_was_carefully_plan.html?print=1&page=all

I would not be at all surprised if it turns out that he has also killed his wife and she just hasn't been found yet. The stuff in the suitcase might be hers and he was bringing it to prove that he had gotten into her home.

 

[murdershewrote]

yes, I agree...they should call all the people who have had appts with her recently to see if they are still alive.

 

[Pharlap]

I believe it was a husband or boyfriend of someone she helped through a breakup.

This article says that most of her patients were women, many of them victims of domestic abuse. It also says that the murderer was screaming "Nobody is helping me!!!" as he killed her.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...rder_was_carefully_plan.html?print=1&page=all

I would not be at all surprised if it turns out that he has also killed his wife and she just hasn't been found yet. The stuff in the suitcase might be hers and he was bringing it to prove that he had gotten into her home.

There was a 1-2 hour movie on channal 38, what could of been this story..
Aired about a year ago, maybe 2....

 

[MeoW333]

For the killing to be "personal" as it was, the killer had an obsession with Faughey for a time. He let his obsession grow and grow and came up with his plan. Since he was so obsessed, he would be aware that Dr. Shinbach also worked there; he would be aware of the building layout. He's probably went through the building before to "test" security and getting past the doorman. I don't think he was a patient of either doctor. I would like to know how the seating was arranged in the waiting area, what was said even if small talk between the female patient waiting for Shinbach and the killer. I think this guy went in there thinking he would catch her alone in the office and torture/murder her. Asking for Shinbach when entering the building, was a confirmation for the killer that Faughey wasn't alone. He somehow managed to not act suspicious and entered Faughey's office. On some level, it is someone she knew. If it were one of her direct patients, Shinbach would have recognized him. At some point in the office, the killer realized he was losing control of the situation and his torture plans. That is when he lost it and went into a killing frenzy. The killer did leave Shinbach alive by a wing and a prayer, taking his wallet more so for the license to use as a threat "i know where you live" than for the money that was in it. If the killer was known by Shinbach, i believe he would have made sure he was dead. The patient in there, being a witness, yet not knowing the killer's identity was spared her life as this guy knew he was pressing for time and had to get out of there.
According to articles the killer sat in the waiting area until the female patient went into Shinbach's office. His waiting seems that he was making sure that Faughey didn't have a client in with her then, and also making sure that the woman waiting would be in Shinbach's office.

 

[SewingDeb]

MeoW,

I think you are right on the money!

 

[SuziQ]

Mudershewrote: That's along the lines of what I'm thinking.

Luthersmama: I am afraid there is another vic that hasn't been found yet.

Meow: I don't think it was either docs direct patient.

ETA: We're are all thinking along the same lines here. I just feel that LE needs to make sure they check out Shindach's patients out as well.

 

[MeoW333]

I hope they are checking patients and acquaintances of both doctors also; best to cover all angles. This guy seems like a loose cannon; other people could potentially be in danger.

 

[KR2tonenow]

>snip "a female patient was waiting for Shinbach. The killer - wearing a green coat and sneakers - chatted with her for a time",>snip

Has this woman been questioned and was she somehow involved??

Could someone had paid this man to kill this woman?

 

[Filly]

>snip "a female patient was waiting for Shinbach. The killer - wearing a green coat and sneakers - chatted with her for a time",>snip

Has this woman been questioned and was she somehow involved??

Could someone had paid this man to kill this woman?

Yes, she is the witness, KR. Weather she's involved well anything is possible, but I doubt it. If that was a murder for hire and that dude killed that woman in that manner well I'd have to say absolutely not. That guy it had to be personal.

 

[Filly]

O.K. I am now thinking like someone said that perhaps the suitcase was going to be used to take her body out. I think he wasn't originally going to kill her there, but tie her up and take her to torture her. WAIT! Perhaps he was going to kill her there thus the knives after making her wear that slippers and all. Then remove her dead body in that suitcase. Maybe he was surprised to find the male Doctor was in. If you go that bizzerker on someone and the person comes to her aid then why only stab him X amount of times and then pin him to the wall with a chair? Wouldn't you make sure he is dead?

 

[KR2tonenow]

O.K. I am now thinking like someone said that perhaps the suitcase was going to be used to take her body out. I think he wasn't originally going to kill her there, but tie her up and take her to torture her. WAIT! Perhaps he was going to kill her there thus the knives after making her wear that slippers and all. Then remove her dead body in that suitcase. Maybe he was surprised to find the male Doctor was in. If you go that bizzerker on someone and the person comes to her aid then why only stab him X amount of times and then pin him to the wall with a chair? Wouldn't you make sure he is dead?

Right, it doesn't make sense. Brutal murder slasher, robs doctor next door.

I hope they get some answers on this, that guys out there!!!Geez...:bang:

 

[SuziQ]

I've been reading all day about how patient privacy rights are halting the investigation. Wouldn't the receptionist(s) recognize that guy if he was a patient? Surely they've contacted them and shown them the video and sketch. Faughey's wake was held today and this maniac is still on the loose.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=5959308

 

[MeoW333]

I think the killer knew he would not be recognized (he didn't know Shinbach or the female patient) so in his mind they weren't that big a risk to him. They didn't know him. The killer lost control of the situation, whatever his original intentions were. I believe he intended to torture Faughey and either kidnap her or take the body out in the suitcase. I don't think he had a plan in place in case others were in the office. The robbing of Shinbach seems more of an afterthought to kind of change the motive of Faughey's murder. He may have wanted to confuse Shinbach & LE about whatever his original motive for murder was, and also he was pressing for time and knew he had to get out of there before LE arrived. The female patient who kicked him in the groin when he tried to push her into a bathroom, he knew he wouldn't have time to kill her. I think he knew they didn't know him, wouldn't recognize him; in his mind they were not a threat to him in that sense. Being pressed for time, he had to get out of there. His original plan, whatever it was, was thwarted with their being Shinbach and a patient in the offices at the time. The female patient, being a fighter and having kicked him in the groin; the killer knew that to engage in an assault with her would take even more of his time since she was a fighter; at that point he had to make his escape. In a fight or flight situation; due to circumstances he can't stick around and wait for the police.
This is a sick disturbed individual who built up a fantasy of Dr. Faughey (may she rest in peace) in his head, and obsessed over to the point where he came up with a plan, obsessed over that, and attempted to act it out. His plan appears to be torturing/murdering Faughey; whether in her office or not, i don't know. If he arrived there late at that time, thinking it was near closing, perhaps he hoped to get her alone and torture her there at night. I don't think he was aware of how many other people would be in the offices at the time, and that is where Shinbach and the female patient come in. The killer went in there and ended up having to "wing it", losing control of the situation and fantasy he had planned in his mind, resulting in the bloodbath.
This could pose a problem if he lives with others and thinks police are on to him, he may lose control again, so LE will have to work carefully with it.
Remember when he first walked in the office, he was calm and even chatted with the female patient waiting.
It's sociopathic behavior and very scary.

 

[Filly]

Meow, I'm sorry. The female patient of the male Doctor kicked the man in the groin? Really? See, I'm missing some of this. Suzi is right also that the receptionist would know him if he was a patient. Unless that guy if he was a patient came during evening hours only when the receptionist may not be there. Just a guess. Definately really frightening the man is still out there. God Bless these dear woman and her family. Prayers all around for these poor, poor people.

 

[MeoW333]

Meow, I'm sorry. The female patient of the male Doctor kicked the man in the groin? Really? See, I'm missing some of this. Suzi is right also that the receptionist would know him if he was a patient. Unless that guy if he was a patient came during evening hours only when the receptionist may not be there. Just a guess. Definately really frightening the man is still out there. God Bless these dear woman and her family. Prayers all around for these poor, poor people.

Filly, no need to apologize:blowkiss: i will find the link for you where it stated that the female patient kicked the suspect in the groin; this case is a messy confusing one in parts. From what i recall i don't think the receptionist was there at the time.

 

[txsvicki]

The murderer coming to the office when the receptionist wasn't there seems too coincidental to me. The receptionist would probably have known immediately that something wasn't right. Maybe something will show up on phone calls into the office.

 

[MeoW333]

Link to groin kick article:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02142008/news/regionalnews/doc_chop_suspect_in_custody_97652.htm


"The suspect also scuffled with a female patient who was in the office after the attack.
The woman had been with Shinbach when he left to run to Faughey's aid. After he didn't return, she went into the waiting area - only to confront the killer, who tried to push her into a bathroom, the sources said.
She told cops she kicked him in the groin, warned him police would be coming, and then locked the door behind him as he fled, the sources said."

 

[MeoW333]

The murderer coming to the office when the receptionist wasn't there seems too coincidental to me. The receptionist would probably have known immediately that something wasn't right. Maybe something will show up on phone calls into the office.

I agree with you completely on that; i think the killer was aiming to get into the office when the least amount of people aside from Faughey would be there.

 

[SuziQ]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16slay.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin
Among the possibilities investigators are pursuing: the assailant was a patient at the offices where Dr. Faughey, Dr. Shinbach and three other health care professionals worked; he was a relative of a patient there or was somehow involved with one; he was someone Dr. Faughey knew outside of her professional life.

 

[SuziQ]

Not that it matters, but I read and I don't remember where, that the patient is a tall buxom blonde.