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Doesn't NY State have odd laws about forensic genealogy? I seem to remember that being a barrier in past cases?
NY NY - Ellery, Rte 17, WhtFem 30-37, UP15489 193UFNY, GSW, poss from Canada or Europe, note, clothes, Dec'83
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Yes. The rules may have changed since then but it used to be very difficult for them to get permission to use any agency outside of NY.
I've read news reports that NY now has a certified lab in-state that they can use, but I don't know whether they have their own forensic genealogists yet. If they do, they're probably overloaded.
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Thanks carbuff!
Anyone in NY able to provide more info on this if you are in the know?
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May 2022 rbbm
www.cbsnews.com
''A New York court halted the use of a DNA crimefighting tool that has helped crack cold cases and put murderers behind bars, but has also raised privacy and racial discrimination concerns, because state lawmakers never approved the practice.
Known as familial DNA searching, the technique allows law enforcement agencies to search the state's DNA databank for close biological relatives of people who have left traces of genetic material at a crime scene.
A panel of judges on a mid-level appeals court ruled Thursday that regulations for the technique were invalid because a state committee implemented them without consent from the Legislature.''
''The ruling pertains only to the state's DNA databank, which is populated with samples from people convicted of crimes in the state, not databanks that are maintained by private companies such as Ancestry and 23andMe for genetic genealogy research.''
May 2022
''Just a year and a half after Bronx investigators used familial DNA for the first time to arrest a man for the 1999 rape and murder of a 13-year-old girl, an appeals court halted the use of the technique.
On Thursday, a panel of judges on a mid-level New York appeals court ruled that regulations for the technique were invalid because a state committee implemented them without consent from the state legislature.
New York state’s DNA databank has been in use since 1994, but the state legislature only allowed the collection and searching of samples from those convicted of crimes. In 2010, the state authorized the release of partial-match information to law enforcement, but not the technique of searching specifically for relatives of people in the databank.''
In the years since—and as forensic genetic genealogy proved its worth—New York state legislators debated expanding the use of the database for familial searching, but ultimately did not pass legislation. That led the Division of Criminal Justice Services and the Commission on Forensic Science to step in, voting to allow familial DNA searches in violent crimes like murder and rape, as well as times when it could help exonerate the wrongfully convicted or identify a John/Jane Doe.
New York court halts family DNA searches for crime suspects
The crimefighting tool has helped crack cold cases, but it has also raised privacy and racial discrimination concerns.
www.cbsnews.com
Known as familial DNA searching, the technique allows law enforcement agencies to search the state's DNA databank for close biological relatives of people who have left traces of genetic material at a crime scene.
A panel of judges on a mid-level appeals court ruled Thursday that regulations for the technique were invalid because a state committee implemented them without consent from the Legislature.''
''The ruling pertains only to the state's DNA databank, which is populated with samples from people convicted of crimes in the state, not databanks that are maintained by private companies such as Ancestry and 23andMe for genetic genealogy research.''
May 2022
New York Court Shuts Down Familial DNA Matching
Just a year and a half after Bronx investigators used familial DNA for the first time to arrest a man for the 1999 rape and murder of a 13-year-old girl, an appeals court halted the use of the technique.
www.forensicmag.com
On Thursday, a panel of judges on a mid-level New York appeals court ruled that regulations for the technique were invalid because a state committee implemented them without consent from the state legislature.
New York state’s DNA databank has been in use since 1994, but the state legislature only allowed the collection and searching of samples from those convicted of crimes. In 2010, the state authorized the release of partial-match information to law enforcement, but not the technique of searching specifically for relatives of people in the databank.''
In the years since—and as forensic genetic genealogy proved its worth—New York state legislators debated expanding the use of the database for familial searching, but ultimately did not pass legislation. That led the Division of Criminal Justice Services and the Commission on Forensic Science to step in, voting to allow familial DNA searches in violent crimes like murder and rape, as well as times when it could help exonerate the wrongfully convicted or identify a John/Jane Doe.
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May 2022 rbbm
''A New York court halted the use of a DNA crimefighting tool that has helped crack cold cases and put murderers behind bars, but has also raised privacy and racial discrimination concerns, because state lawmakers never approved the practice.New York court halts family DNA searches for crime suspects
The crimefighting tool has helped crack cold cases, but it has also raised privacy and racial discrimination concerns.
Known as familial DNA searching, the technique allows law enforcement agencies to search the state's DNA databank for close biological relatives of people who have left traces of genetic material at a crime scene.
A panel of judges on a mid-level appeals court ruled Thursday that regulations for the technique were invalid because a state committee implemented them without consent from the Legislature.''
''The ruling pertains only to the state's DNA databank, which is populated with samples from people convicted of crimes in the state, not databanks that are maintained by private companies such as Ancestry and 23andMe for genetic genealogy research.''
May 2022
''Just a year and a half after Bronx investigators used familial DNA for the first time to arrest a man for the 1999 rape and murder of a 13-year-old girl, an appeals court halted the use of the technique.New York Court Shuts Down Familial DNA Matching
Just a year and a half after Bronx investigators used familial DNA for the first time to arrest a man for the 1999 rape and murder of a 13-year-old girl, an appeals court halted the use of the technique.www.forensicmag.com
On Thursday, a panel of judges on a mid-level New York appeals court ruled that regulations for the technique were invalid because a state committee implemented them without consent from the state legislature.
New York state’s DNA databank has been in use since 1994, but the state legislature only allowed the collection and searching of samples from those convicted of crimes. In 2010, the state authorized the release of partial-match information to law enforcement, but not the technique of searching specifically for relatives of people in the databank.''
In the years since—and as forensic genetic genealogy proved its worth—New York state legislators debated expanding the use of the database for familial searching, but ultimately did not pass legislation. That led the Division of Criminal Justice Services and the Commission on Forensic Science to step in, voting to allow familial DNA searches in violent crimes like murder and rape, as well as times when it could help exonerate the wrongfully convicted or identify a John/Jane Doe.
Thank you to those who cleared up my question. Quite frankly I'm chocked and confused. From the last article posted by Dotr.
Once a DNA profile was developed it was loaded into all State and National databases in an effort to generate leads into the identity of the deceased. The DNA profile was also submitted to New York State DCJS in an effort to match the sample with any potential familial DNA that was on file. At the time this request for familial DNA comparison was rejected as New York State Policy did not allow for the comparison of familial DNA solely for the purpose of identifying an unidentified person. As a result of this case this policy was changed in April of 2021 to now allow for the familial submission of DNA for the purposes of identifying an unidentified person.
My interpretation of that is that it's possible and allowed for identifying people.
Unidentified for 39 years. Let’s hope this is the last one.
Chautauqua County Sheriff’s office has a new cold case unit running this fb page:
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Seems more attention has been garnered to her and other local cases since they started up.
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Unsolved homicide and missing person cases are receiving a fresh look in a unit established in the last week at the Chautauqua County Sheriff’s Office. Two senior investigators have been hired as special deputies to work part-time within the Criminal Investigation Division. Those investigators...
Seems more attention has been garnered to her and other local cases since they started up.
“She had a tracheotomy scar on her neck for a relatively young woman and she had a scare behind her left ear that maybe is the result of a medical procedure or are they connected,” explained Di Zinno.
First time hearing of trache tube scar.New sketch. Their almost certain now jane did was from Italy, Germany, Belgium, or Canada.
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First time hearing of trache tube scar.New sketch. Their almost certain now jane did was from Italy, Germany, Belgium, or Canada.
New clues in decades-old Chautauqua County ‘Jane Doe’ case
There are some new clues in a nearly 40-year-old case of unidentified woman found murdered in Chautauqua County.
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Only took them 38 yearsChautauqua County Sheriff’s office has a new cold case unit running this fb page:
Unsolved Chautauqua | Mayville NY
Unsolved Chautauqua, Mayville. 8,513 likes · 9 talking about this. This site is dedicated to solving the missing person and unsolved cases in Chautauqua County NY. We are looking for information,...
Local unsolved cases to receive fresh look
Unsolved homicide and missing person cases are receiving a fresh look in a unit established in the last week at the Chautauqua County Sheriff’s Office. Two senior investigators have been hired as special deputies to work part-time within the Criminal Investigation Division. Those investigators...
Seems more attention has been garnered to her and other local cases since they started up.
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Looks-wise I still like @carbuff suggestion from back on page 1 that this could possibly be Angela Harttman, from Ottawa, who was traveling in western Canada the summer of 1983.
817DFON - Angela Hartmann
In general though, I'm still struggling though with what would bring a Canadian (or someone traveling from Europe to Canada) to upper NY State. Yes, tourists go to Niagara Falls, and yes, back in the day people in the Golden Horseshoe of Ontario would go across the border to Buffalo for the cheap beer and chicken wings, but Ellery is a longish/out-of-the-way to go from Buffalo/Niagara to dump a body. It seems to me that there must be a connection to that area.
817DFON - Angela Hartmann
In general though, I'm still struggling though with what would bring a Canadian (or someone traveling from Europe to Canada) to upper NY State. Yes, tourists go to Niagara Falls, and yes, back in the day people in the Golden Horseshoe of Ontario would go across the border to Buffalo for the cheap beer and chicken wings, but Ellery is a longish/out-of-the-way to go from Buffalo/Niagara to dump a body. It seems to me that there must be a connection to that area.
They aren’t the only ones, however-better late than never. Can’t wait until her rightful name is returned.
One of my group members also feels strongly about the possibility of her being Angela. Whoever she is, she was possible seen hitchhiking by truckers a few days previous to her discovery. I think the truck route is the only thing that landed her in Ellery specifically. Old route 17.
Having trouble with search on WS, apologies.
Has Behdokht Pyke been mentioned in this thread?
Karen Lee Koppel?
Lana Coronado?
Has Behdokht Pyke been mentioned in this thread?
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.
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Karen Lee Koppel?
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.
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Lana Coronado?
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.
www.namus.gov
This is interesting. I wonder how these numbers may have changed over the years. Would they be significantly different now from when Ellery Doe was alive? Would there be a resource to view this kind of information over time and/or at different snapshots of history?
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Hmm, really interesting and pertinent questions...
Purely by watching their pictures i like Karen Lee Koppel as a potential match…
Angela Hartmann has dental X-rays available so she could be easily excluded.
Koppel went missing in 1980 and likely met her fate the same year.
In all likelihood, Ellery Doe is another unreported missing person, probably from Europe. We won’t know her name until they do the genealogy, which is hopefully soon.
Koppel went missing in 1980 and likely met her fate the same year.
In all likelihood, Ellery Doe is another unreported missing person, probably from Europe. We won’t know her name until they do the genealogy, which is hopefully soon.
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«There is no doubt she originated from one of these countries (Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Italy or Canada).»
To me, that just sounds like they are doing genealogy on her already and the hits so far has led them to these countries. Even a comment from yesterday seems to confirm it.
To me, that just sounds like they are doing genealogy on her already and the hits so far has led them to these countries. Even a comment from yesterday seems to confirm it.
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