GUILTY NY - Ex-President Donald Trump, charged with 34 criminal counts of falsifying business records, Apr 2023, Trial 25 Mar 2024 #4

[SouthAussie]

According to the linked article .... (paraphrased)

Now that he has been sentenced, the New Jersey attorney general's office stated they will now proceed in determining if the president-elect is qualified to continue holding an interest in the liquor licenses for Trump National Golf Club in Colts Neck and the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster.

The NJ officials said that even though the licenses are in DTJr's name, that doesn't protect the licenses from the president-elect's new adjudicated felon status - because he still directly benefits from them.

Borough officials did not respond to a request for info about the license for Trump National Golf Club Philadelphia, but that license comes up for renewal in June.


(The article also mentions the continuation of an array of civil lawsuits against him - stemming from his actions on 6th Jan, 2021.
And he lost his E Jean Carroll appeal on 30th Dec, 2024. Cheung says he will appeal again. Link)

Trump has finally been sentenced in his felony hush-money case. Here's what's next.

 

[Ladyotm]

It's not a real sentence (MOO).

And, he's still able to appeal. No punishment whatsoever and he can appeal and have the conviction reversed.

Of course, he was always going to be President and Commander in Chief, no matter what sort of sentence the judge imposed.

Why didn't they wait until his term was up for sentencing, and then he could have been fined at least?

MOO. Maybe waiting that long would have been a "miscarriage of justice" although what has been done here is truly a miscarriage. His original sentence should NOT have been delayed until after election day.
The criminal should have been sentenced and made to report to prison, like any other convicted federal felon. Given that defendants in federal cases are given time to get their thing in order (why?) before having to report to prison, of course, they would have found a way for his report date to be AFTER the inauguration. In that case, his Vice President should have been allowed to serve in his capacity until his release. MOO
Perhaps this is exactly how those who could have made this right (the judges in these cases) wanted it all along, no consequences. What a sad day. JMO.

One sure way to get rid of penalties for criminal behaviour. Become president. I hope this doesn't set a precedent for decades to come.

imo

Right! The reason he ran, lol. I really don't see how this hasn't opened up a whole slew of state lawsuits. There are city and state level positions as well as jobs that people can not hold because they have a felony record, period, regardless of the crime, length of time that has passed since it occurred, and their staying out of trouble sense then. Make it make sense. MOO.

I actually don't understand how people think it is okay to commit fraud, to store and keep classified documents in their bathroom after leaving their official position, to conspire to sway election results ... and the myriad of alleged crimes that have now been swept under the carpet.

But that's okay. We will likely never agree about the criminal behaviour.

imo

RSBM
IMO this call was not appropriate. IMO it is disrespectful to our laws, our court system and the jurors on this case. JMO

Agreed!

It is, IMO. There are lots and lots of us who see through him and know exactly who he is. Lots of us who don’t fall for his facade. MOO

Agreed!

According to the linked article .... (paraphrased)

Now that he has been sentenced, the New Jersey attorney general's office stated they will now proceed in determining if the president-elect is qualified to continue holding an interest in the liquor licenses for Trump National Golf Club in Colts Neck and the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster.

The NJ officials said that even though the licenses are in DTJr's name, that doesn't protect the licenses from the president-elect's new adjudicated felon status - because he still directly benefits from them.

Borough officials did not respond to a request for info about the license for Trump National Golf Club Philadelphia, but that license comes up for renewal in June.


(The article also mentions the continuation of an array of civil lawsuits against him - stemming from his actions on 6th Jan, 2021.
And he lost his E Jean Carroll appeal on 30th Dec, 2024. Cheung says he will appeal again. Link)

Trump has finally been sentenced in his felony hush-money case. Here's what's next.

I don't necessarily agree with liquor licenses being revoked. I'm thinking of a hypothetical that say, a husband and wife team own a business and the liquor license is in her name. He becomes a convicted felon. Wife did nothing wrong, should she then loose all potential benefits of the license or be required to go through all the legal, business, and licensing steps (incurring financial expenses) of perhaps restructuring/renaming the business etc. ? MOO.

Have the liquor licenses always been in Jr's name or were they put in his name to avoid consequences of dad's conviction?

 

[SouthAussie]

Have the liquor licenses always been in Jr's name or were they put in his name to avoid consequences of dad's conviction?

He had to transfer his "business interests" prior to his inauguration in 2017. The liquor licenses were part of that.

Trump is finally almost done resigning from his businesses

Before he took office, then-President-elect Donald Trump said he had signed paperwork "turning over complete and total control" of his business empire to his sons; and his lawyer said the more than 400 businesses would be placed in a trust by Inauguration Day. Now, more than 100 days later, he's...

ctmirror.org

Timeline: Trump Is Still Resigning From His Businesses

Timeline of when President Trump was removed from liquor licenses on his properties.

project.wnyc.org

The problem being that he is still sole beneficiary of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust ... which is where the profits go.

Trump has finally been sentenced in his felony hush-money case. Here's what's next.

After months of delays, Trump was sentenced Friday. Here's what's in store now that his felony status is finalized.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Ladyotm]

He had to transfer his "business interests" prior to his inauguration in 2017. The liquor licenses were part of that.

Trump is finally almost done resigning from his businesses

Before he took office, then-President-elect Donald Trump said he had signed paperwork "turning over complete and total control" of his business empire to his sons; and his lawyer said the more than 400 businesses would be placed in a trust by Inauguration Day. Now, more than 100 days later, he's...

ctmirror.org

Timeline: Trump Is Still Resigning From His Businesses

Timeline of when President Trump was removed from liquor licenses on his properties.

project.wnyc.org

The problem being that he is still sole beneficiary of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust ... which is where the profits go.

Trump has finally been sentenced in his felony hush-money case. Here's what's next.

After months of delays, Trump was sentenced Friday. Here's what's in store now that his felony status is finalized.

www.businessinsider.com

Thanks!

 

[SouthAussie]

Jack Smith's special counsel report has been released .... fraud has been mentioned 202 times. With all of the proof contained in documents listed at the end of the report.

Highlighting the propensity to commit the fraud in this NY case. The NY jury got it right. imo

https://www.justice.gov/storage/Report-of-Special-Counsel-Smith-Volume-1-January-2025.pdf

 

[Knitty]

MOD NOTE: This thread is not about the inauguration, ONLY about this case. Discussing politics is not allowed on Websleuths as it just ends up with members trying to score points off one another.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

I think it will set a precedent for lawfare. All one needs to do is put a Frankenstein of a case together, as in this instance, and go after your political opponent. imo

All you got to do to not get convicted of fraud is not commit fraud.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

President-elect Donald Trump​

“I get indicted for business records. Everybody should be so accurate. It’s been a political witch hunt. It was done to damage my reputation so that I’d lose the election. And obviously that didn’t work. And the people of our country got to see this firsthand because they watched the case in your courtroom. And then they voted, and I won.”

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“The people of this country understand what’s gone on. This has been a weaponization of government. They call it lawfare. Never happened to any extent like this, but never happened in our country before. And I just like to explain that I was treated very, very unfairly. And I thank you very much.”

Defense lawyer Todd Blanche​

“American voters got a chance to see and decide for themselves whether this is the kind of case that should have been brought. And they decided. And that’s why, in 10 days, President Trump is going to assume the office of the president of the United States.”

Excerpts from President-elect Donald Trump’s sentencing

President-elect Donald Trump talked for six minutes at the sentencing in his New York hush money case. The judge, a prosecutor and a defense lawyer also spoke.

apnews.com

If voters who voted for him did so because they thought he was not guilty , they were wrong. Votes don't change reality. The evidence is all there freely available for anyone who cares for the truth.

https://ww2.nycourts.gov/people-v-donald-j-trump-criminal-37026

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[Deleted member 39678]

The truth about this case will come out for all to see when it's overturned on appeal. JMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

Besides the US Supreme Court voting to allow the defendant to be sentenced, there is this.


Only after Trump has exhausted his state appeals options, will he be able to petition the U.S. Supreme Court to step in, experts said.

“For example, they could try to argue that the trial was so unfair as to deny him ‘due process’ under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,” Wermiel said, adding, “That seems like a real longshot.”

Another option would be for his attorneys to contend that the crime that resulted in the 34 felony convictions “was a violation of the Federal Election Campaign Act,” Collins said ..... for such constitutional issues to be raised before the Supreme Court, they must have first been brought up during the trial

“The contentions that his attorneys have raised during the trial are all matters of state law ....

Further complicating matters for Trump is the fact that the Supreme Court takes up only a small number of state criminal cases each session, Collins said.
“The acceptance rate is less than 1 percent,”
And of the few cases the Supreme Court does take up, most result in the state court conviction being upheld, Collins said.
“So, the chances of both review and reversal by the U.S. Supreme Court are very slim,” he added.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article288968950.html

 

[Deleted member 39678]

This case should never have been charged as felonies but at most a misdemeanor which would have been a problem because of statues of limitations. JMO.

Following the verdict, Bragg pointed to the prosecution’s methodical presentation of “extensive hard evidence” in support of the outcome. Some legal experts agree. Others, however, have criticized the DA’s case and predict it will be overturned on appeal for any of several reasons.

https://fedsoc.org/events/the-trump-new-york-verdict-constitutional-legal-and-prudential-questions

 

[Sundog]

Besides the US Supreme Court voting to allow the defendant to be sentenced, there is this.


Only after Trump has exhausted his state appeals options, will he be able to petition the U.S. Supreme Court to step in, experts said.

“For example, they could try to argue that the trial was so unfair as to deny him ‘due process’ under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,” Wermiel said, adding, “That seems like a real longshot.”

Another option would be for his attorneys to contend that the crime that resulted in the 34 felony convictions “was a violation of the Federal Election Campaign Act,” Collins said ..... for such constitutional issues to be raised before the Supreme Court, they must have first been brought up during the trial

“The contentions that his attorneys have raised during the trial are all matters of state law ....

Further complicating matters for Trump is the fact that the Supreme Court takes up only a small number of state criminal cases each session, Collins said.
“The acceptance rate is less than 1 percent,”
And of the few cases the Supreme Court does take up, most result in the state court conviction being upheld, Collins said.
“So, the chances of both review and reversal by the U.S. Supreme Court are very slim,” he added.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article288968950.html

The Supreme Court ruling on the sentencing is unrelated to how the Supreme Court will ultimately rule on the case itself.

Chief Judge John Roberts has a history of consistency against ruling on interlocutory appeals, i.e. intervening/ruling on a case before it is finished. So the vote of the Supreme Court is not related in any way to how they will rule and hear arguments on the appeal of the case now that it has been completed.
Chief Justice Roberts does not like interlocutory appeals so the refusal to rule on the sentencing issue was not at all surprising, but not related to the appeal now that the case is finished.

 

[Niner]

Looks like an update for this case

Date/Time Judge Calendar Hearing Type Court reporter Outcome
01/10/2025/09:00 AM Merchan, Juan M. 59 Sentencing Adjournment Pearce-Bates, Susan Adjourned

03/10/2025/09:00 AM Office, Clerk's CASHIER Payment Adjournment


link: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/we...nal+Court&courtType=U&recordType=U&recordNum=

 

[hooziewhutz]

Looks like an update for this case

Date/Time Judge Calendar Hearing Type Court reporter Outcome
01/10/2025/09:00 AM Merchan, Juan M. 59 Sentencing Adjournment Pearce-Bates, Susan Adjourned

03/10/2025/09:00 AM Office, Clerk's CASHIER Payment Adjournment


link: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/we...nal+Court&courtType=U&recordType=U&recordNum=

What does this mean?

 

[Niner]

What does this mean?

edited - not too sure "what" this means... LOL!

edited again -

From the court site I found this:

Surcharge (ms ($300.00), Cvaf ($25.00) - Due 01/10/2025); Ud; Fee (dna ($50.00) -

link: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/we...nal+Court&courtType=U&recordType=U&recordNum=

maybe he has to pay that amount - I really don't know - nothing coming up on the news that I can find.

 

[SouthAussie]

edited - not too sure "what" this means... LOL!

edited again -

From the court site I found this:

Surcharge (ms ($300.00), Cvaf ($25.00) - Due 01/10/2025); Ud; Fee (dna ($50.00) -

link: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/we...nal+Court&courtType=U&recordType=U&recordNum=

maybe he has to pay that amount - I really don't know - nothing coming up on the news that I can find.

I think a court surcharge must be paid at sentencing.
The "ms" would mean mandatory surcharge. The "Cvaf" would be the crime victim assistance fee, then there is the DNA fee. (I guess his DNA is now added to the NY criminal DNA database, but maybe the "Ud" means it is undetermined if that will apply in this case. )

Mandatory Surcharge, Crime Victim Assistance Fee and Other Fees​

At Sentencing, there are a number of fees and surcharges that the defendant may be charged with. The amount of the surcharge or fee depends on the crime you are convicted of committing. Possible fees include:

• Mandatory Surcharge: this fee is charged to every convicted defendant.
• Crime Victim Assistance Fee: this fee is charged to every convicted defendant.
• Town and Village Court Fee.
• Sex offender Registration Fee: this fee applies to defendants convicted of sex offenses.
• DNA Databank Fee.
• Supplemental Sex Offender Victim Fee.
• Vehicle and Traffic Law Surcharges and Fee

https://www.nycourts.gov/courthelp/criminal/surchargesFees.shtml#:~:text=The%20amount%20of%20the%20surcharge,Town%20and%20Village%20Court%20Fee.

 

[Niner]

I think a court surcharge must be paid at sentencing.
The "ms" would mean mandatory surcharge. The "Cvaf" would be the crime victim assistance fee, then there is the DNA fee. (I guess his DNA is now added to the NY criminal DNA database, but maybe the "Ud" means it is undetermined if that will apply in this case. )

Mandatory Surcharge, Crime Victim Assistance Fee and Other Fees​

At Sentencing, there are a number of fees and surcharges that the defendant may be charged with. The amount of the surcharge or fee depends on the crime you are convicted of committing. Possible fees include:

• Mandatory Surcharge: this fee is charged to every convicted defendant.
• Crime Victim Assistance Fee: this fee is charged to every convicted defendant.
• Town and Village Court Fee.
• Sex offender Registration Fee: this fee applies to defendants convicted of sex offenses.
• DNA Databank Fee.
• Supplemental Sex Offender Victim Fee.
• Vehicle and Traffic Law Surcharges and Fee

https://www.nycourts.gov/courthelp/criminal/surchargesFees.shtml#:~:text=The%20amount%20of%20the%20surcharge,Town%20and%20Village%20Court%20Fee.

Thanks for all that info. That must be what this "Payment" on 3/10/25 is. Looks like a very small amount....

 

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[Deleted member 39678]

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's lawyers on Wednesday formally notified a New York state court of Trump's intent to appeal his criminal conviction on charges stemming from hush money paid to a star.

"The misuse of the criminal law by the Manhattan DA to target President Trump sets a dangerous precedent, and we look forward to the case being dismissed on appeal," Robert Giuffra, a lawyer who will be handling Trump's appeal, said in a statement.

I'm also looking forward to a dismissal on appeal.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...otice-of-plan-to-appeal-hush-money-conviction

 

[JennieM]

Associated Press
Wed 29 Jan 2025 17.26 GMT

Trump will not be able to pardon himself. Trump’s case was tried in state court, but presidential pardons only apply to federal crimes.

Donald Trump appeals his New York hush-money conviction

President seeks to overturn conviction of falsifying records in alleged scheme to hide payment to adult film actor

www.theguardian.com