GUILTY NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #4

[Snoopster]

Don’t forget “what do you mean by female?”

good point!! Clearly an oversight on my part.
That was truly weird. What did she mean by that? She seemed to go on about child vs woman vs female. Very strange.

 

[UK Girl]

An article by Rachel Johnson a British journalist and the sister of Boris I was in Ghislaine’s little black book – it's right her 'charm halo' was finally exposed

 

[RickshawFan]

OMG! I've seen this meme before several times and I can't believe it took me this long to catch on to the joke. LOL!

Haha! Thanks for pointing it out. I GOT it!

 

[RickshawFan]

Sarah Kellen, Nadia Marcinkova, Lesley Groff, and Adriana Ross were named as un-indicted co-conspirators in Epstein's infamous sweetheart deal in 2008.

All four women were generously compensated for working for Epstein, where they made themselves available 24/7 and were 'indispensable to his personal and business success', according to a 2005 New York Times article.

Ghislaine's minions: Pressure mounts for Epstein's employees to be brought to justice | Daily Mail Online

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta.../1479305871981/deposition-excerpts+PART+1.pdf

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg...v-80804/pdf/USCOURTS-flsd-9_08-cv-80804-0.pdf

That photo of JE hugging GM while he's on the phone... not exactly romantic.

 

[mickey2942]

An article by Rachel Johnson a British journalist and the sister of Boris I was in Ghislaine’s little black book – it's right her 'charm halo' was finally exposed

That article is interesting. It talks about the "Halo Effect". That we don't believe attractive people are "bad". I wonder if this could be impacting the jury in the Elizabeth Holmes trial.

 

[RickshawFan]

So now I'm wondering, since she's been found guilty could she still give an interview?

This may be relevant (but 2001). As far as I can tell, it seems she can be barred from doing so. This is not a violation of First Amendment rights, because the convict has other modes of communicating with the media, e.g. email and phone.

https://www.justice.gov/file/19241/download

I would guess GM proffered a media interview because she never thought she'd be convicted. She also likes to be the belle of the party. This reminds me of Arias and her jailhouse media interviews where she bragged, "No jury will convict me".

I'm thinking if I were her and wanted some leniency in sentencing, I would go easy on the media interview stuff. It could irk people in high places.

 

[RickshawFan]

What weren't you aware of, and what link are you requesting? Since you did not provide any other data...

I assumed this poster was requesting info on "potty-gate". I provided ^^.

 

[Kemug]

I really don't believe it is possible for such an arrogant and entitled person as GM to become a compliant and meek prisoner. Even if she made the effort she couldn't keep it up for long. Her fellow prisoners have no reason at all to be nice to her, and once they get to know her, will have even less.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Huh

Day After Ghislaine Maxwell's Convictions, Prosecutors Formally Ditch Case Against Jeffrey Epstein's Jail Guards

 

[RickshawFan]

I really don't believe it is possible for such an arrogant and entitled person as GM to become a compliant and meek prisoner. Even if she made the effort she couldn't keep it up for long. Her fellow prisoners have no reason at all to be nice to her, and once they get to know her, will have even less.

High brow English accents can sound sneery, too, although GM’s might be sneery because, well, she sneers. And then, her house rules might be snuck into prison and make the rounds. If so, she’ll be mocked until death.

 

[investikater]

She's definitely worse than Epstein,' Giuffre added. 'Epstein did a whole bunch of really bad stuff, acting on his sick urges. But Ghislaine facilitated it'
Virginia Roberts' tells of relief at Maxwell verdicts and says Ghislaine is 'more evil than Epstein' | Daily Mail On

She has said this several times. And I wish she would not.

IN MY OPINION it does not make sense!

Perhaps it is just natural human behavior - transference? - because Epstein escaped justice and Maxwell was all that was left.

I dunno. I think it's weird.

All MY OWN OPINION.

 

[investikater]

Ineffective assistance of counsel can be the basis for an appeal, but it's a really tough row to hoe and apparently she had well respected counsel representing her. I believe that in order to successfully appeal on the evidence point she would need to show that she tried to introduce it at trial but that it was improperly disallowed and that it would have made a difference in the outcome. JMO.

Ok very interesting thank you.

I wonder why the family is so confident they will be appealing then?...

 

[JudgeJudi]

Legal analyst Mitchell Epner, a former federal prosecutor, said she was likely to get between 20 and 25 years. "Given that Maxwell is currently 60 years old, which is essentially death by incarceration. This is the most important trafficking conviction in recent history. Maxwell is somebody who was a real evildoer. She was absolutely essential to this ongoing, decades-long criminal enterprise to abuse children." Once she is fully sentenced, she's likely to end up in a medium-security prison, according to Mr Epner.

He said the women were "very plausible". "The defence had the problem that you don't go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army that you have". "They had an enormous problem in that Ghislaine Maxwell gave a truly awful civil deposition that boxed them into the position that she was just going to deny that any of this ever happened".

Ghislaine Maxwell faces 'death by incarceration' once she moves on from 'truly abysmal' holding cell, expert says

 

[investikater]

Is there evidence GM is a victim? I would love to see that.

I'm not aware of any.

Upon what do you place your prediction?

As I said it's MY OWN OPINION

I base it upon my observations. For example:

The Women Who Enabled Jeffrey Epstein

Politico Magazine
By TARA PALMERI 5/14/2021
The Friday Cover
The Women Who Enabled Jeffrey Epstein
From schedulers to socialites, they helped keep the late financier’s sex trafficking scheme operating, or helped rehabilitate him after he faced jail time. Now some say they’re victims.

 

[investikater]

Huh

Day After Ghislaine Maxwell's Convictions, Prosecutors Formally Ditch Case Against Jeffrey Epstein's Jail Guards

Fascinating...

 

[minusfour]

She has said this several times. And I wish she would not.

IN MY OPINION it does not make sense!

Perhaps it is just natural human behavior - transference? - because Epstein escaped justice and Maxwell was all that was left.

I dunno. I think it's weird.

All MY OWN OPINION.

I kind of understand what she means. GM coldly, and without compunction, decided to act in this manner, over a long time. AT least had the "excuse" of his sordid desires. Not much of an excuse, no, but the victim count would be much lower without people enabling his revolting tastes being satisfied.

 

[investikater]

good point!! Clearly an oversight on my part.
That was truly weird. What did she mean by that? She seemed to go on about child vs woman vs female. Very strange.

Are there any transgender people involved?

Or more likely;

maybe she was given legal council to define every term exactly?

 

[investikater]

I kind of understand what she means. GM coldly, and without compunction, decided to act in this manner, over a long time. AT least had the "excuse" of his sordid desires. Not much of an excuse, no, but the victim count would be much lower without people enabling his revolting tastes being satisfied.

I still don't get it.

JE was the one who ALLEGEDLY did almost all of the sexual assaults.

And everything GM HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF DOING was to satisfy his disgusting desires.

I can think of excuses for her to if I wanted to;

HYPOTHETICALLY:
What about the SPECULATION that her Dad MAY HAVE BEEN a sociopath and or a narcissist.
IN MY OPINION children raised by people with such disorders have a higher likelihood of ending up in relationships with them because that's what they think normal is, what they think love is.

There you go - a HYPOTHETICAL excuse for her disgusting behavior too.
WHICH I DO NOT AGREE WITH.
Just like I DO NOT AGREE with VRGs and your excuse for JEs.

So I still think what VRG keeps stating is weird!

All MY OWN OPINION

 

[investikater]

Huh

Day After Ghislaine Maxwell's Convictions, Prosecutors Formally Ditch Case Against Jeffrey Epstein's Jail Guards

IN MY OPINION this demonstrates that they were never actually interested in prosecuting them, and they were just dragging it out until they had a different scalp to satiate the victims.

 

[Cool Cats]

Ghislaine Maxwell's family says sister 'denied fair trial' - but chances of appeal success are ‘slim’

Ian Maxwell, Ghislaine’s older brother, who travelled from his home near Oxford to join his other siblings for part of the four-week trial, said prosecutors had manipulated the media to brand Ghislaine as the “most hated woman in the world.”

“US First Amendment rights are in clear conflict with a defendant’s rights to a fair trial – the USA has no equivalent of contempt of court, no guidelines of any description to prevent overt media manipulation by both the prosecuting authorities and the highly paid lawyers who represented both accusers in court and also the accusers who did not appear in court to have their allegations questioned,” he said.

From left to right, Kevin Maxwell, Christine Maxwell, Isabel Maxwell, and Ian Maxwell, the siblings of Ghislaine Maxwell, arrive at court

Mr Maxwell also said that the “appalling” prison conditions in a Brooklyn federal jail had prevented her from being able to testify in her own defence.

“This is a shocking result which reflects the fact that Ghislaine has been denied the right to a fair trial, starting with the appalling conditions in which she has been held for over 18 months and which seriously impacted her ability to participate in her own defence,” he said.

“I am confident of the strong grounds for appeal both legal and evidential and that my sister will be vindicated and ultimately found innocent.”

Maxwell is a ‘terrible witness’
However, Lisa Bloom, who represents a number of Maxwell and Epstein’s accusers, said does not see “any chance” of Maxwell’s legal team successfully appealing and that she would have risked perjuring herself should she have taken the stand.

“I read her deposition testimony in prior civil cases and she’s a terrible witness - she’s arrogant, she argues with the attorneys, she refuses to answer the questions. She’s not the kind of witness any attorney would want to put on the stand,” she told the BBC.