GUILTY NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #4

[minusfour]

There are so many variables involved so each case is different. Only parents who have the capacity to care will actively attempt to protect their teens from predators. As somebody who grew up in a violent, depraved, neglectful home, who also had friends who suffered similar horrors and then went on to work with both teen victims and rapists, I can confidently tell you that a sizeable percent of parents out there, for whatever reasons, can't even begin to care about their teens. The red flags are there, if the teen is open to talking to a parent about some old guy who wants to train her as a 'massage therapist' or give her free music lessons and tuition b/c she's got 'talent', but if the family is broken...

I'm afraid I have first hand knowledge of being in a family that were barely able to function, let alone protect their children too. I am the youngest of four daughters. Both my parents were alcoholics. My father didn't come home one day, and we didn't see him again. This was in the 70s, there was much less support for single parents then. We lived a chaotic, unlovely life, in quite dire poverty. All four of us were prayed on, two as children and two as teens. Distant relatives, family "friends". We have all grown up well enough, three with degrees, two, including me with our own successful businesses, but we are all damaged by those years. My Mum did her best, but it was hard.

 

[JudgeJudi]

BBC criticised for giving Ian Maxwell airtime to defend sister Ghislaine

The BBC has faced further complaints over its coverage of GM’s conviction for recruiting and grooming teenage girls after interviewing her brother, Ian Maxwell on Radio4’ flagship news programme. He made the case for her innocence, casting doubt on the testimony from victims. He said while the trial had heard “heart-rending testimonies”, his view was “that Ghislaine had nothing to do with it”. Who cares what his view is. The jury found her guilty on 5 of the 6 charges and it’s now time for her to pay the piper.

Nazir Afzal, the former chief crown prosecutor for north-west England, tweeted, “How is it that those supporting the convicted child sex offender Ghislaine Maxwell are being given air time on national media?” In another tweet he wrote, “I cannot understand why #r4today is providing a platform for family and friends of Ghislaine Maxwell to proclaim her innocence and undermine the jury’s verdicts. Is this service to be made available to all convicted sex offenders?”

He also had this to say:

https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/1476873565538553857

“Now that Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty of selling children for sexual abuse, don’t you think we should investigate whom she sold the children to?

I don’t want to hear another word about how tragic her life is, only want to hear about the devastation caused to victims”.

I agree with all his comments 100%.

 

[JudgeJudi]

These are just a few extracts from a well-written article that will resonate with everyone following this thread. It's worth reading the entire article.

The lesson many will draw from this case is that the rich are far more often protected by their money and connections than rendered vulnerable by them.

The result goes some way to restoring faith in the battered principle that nobody should be above the law. Yet there’s something profoundly unsatisfying about it nonetheless. That GM who procured girls for JE and his wealthy friends will now die in prison, while the men involved remain either free to live their lives or (in JE’s case) beyond the reach of any mortal judge, provokes a nagging sense of unfinished business.

First and most obviously in the firing line are the men against whom direct allegations have been made, chief among them Prince Andrew. Virginia Giuffre, who is currently attempting to bring a civil suit against the prince accusing him of a sexual assault he has vehemently and repeatedly denied, can only be encouraged by a verdict she welcomed with a pointed tweet, arguing that “Maxwell did not act alone. Others must be held accountable.”

But there are plenty more high-profile men who flew on Epstein’s planes, enjoyed his lavish parties, even stayed overnight in one of those mansions hung with tacky erotic art, and say they saw nothing amiss.

But GM cannot be the only one who knows more than she is telling about that tainted circle through which so many powerful men have moved. Justice is surely neither done, nor seen to be done, until all their dirty little secrets are out.

The spotlight must now turn to the rich men Ghislaine Maxwell trafficked girls for | Gaby Hinsliff

 

[mickey2942]

Did the parents not ask more questions? I’m not blaming them I’m genuinely asking how this happened. If my 14 year old wanted to take a job offer cleaning a mans home I wouldn’t allow it. It’s also odd that she didn’t feel inclined to meet the the single millionaire who her daughter was working for.

Iirc Virginia has disclosed that her relationship with her Mother was strained. Is that the case with the other victims?

GM, no doubt, assessed her targets. Unfortunately, growing up in a home with a single parent, who may be just trying to survive, forget parenting, attention from a wealthy patron would have been seen as positive.

 

[grammieto5]

As always, I think of the children. I know PA's daughters are no longer children, but I do wonder how they are doing.

 

[Cool Cats]

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre could give victim impact statement at Ghislaine Maxwell sentencing

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre

“At the sentencing, I anticipate that there will be a lot of testimony from many, many other women who were not able to be heard at the trial, who will come forward and bring information about their suffering at the hands of Ghislaine Maxwell,” Mrs McCawley said.

“I believe this will be considered by the court before Judge Nathan renders her decision on the length of time Ghislaine will serve behind bars.”

Victim impact statements are written or oral testimonies presented to the court at the sentencing of the defendant, which allow the offender to hear about the effects of their actions. Although the judge will decide the defendant’s sentence based primarily on the pre-sentence report and certain sentencing guidelines, the judge should consider the statements before making a decision.

 

[RickshawFan]

Did the parents not ask more questions? I’m not blaming them I’m genuinely asking how this happened. If my 14 year old wanted to take a job offer cleaning a mans home I wouldn’t allow it. It’s also odd that she didn’t feel inclined to meet the the single millionaire who her daughter was working for.

Iirc Virginia has disclosed that her relationship with her Mother was strained. Is that the case with the other victims?

Maybe we could separate the themes here:
GM is 100% to blame.
As a separate topic altogether, some parents are extremely neglectful. Some parents don't give a rip about what happens to their kids. Some parents aren't providing bare necessities. Some parents are so stressed out themselves, they cannot raise another being. Some parents make their homes unbearable for their children. Etc. etc.

 

[RickshawFan]

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre could give victim impact statement at Ghislaine Maxwell sentencing

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre

“At the sentencing, I anticipate that there will be a lot of testimony from many, many other women who were not able to be heard at the trial, who will come forward and bring information about their suffering at the hands of Ghislaine Maxwell,” Mrs McCawley said.

“I believe this will be considered by the court before Judge Nathan renders her decision on the length of time Ghislaine will serve behind bars.”

Victim impact statements are written or oral testimonies presented to the court at the sentencing of the defendant, which allow the offender to hear about the effects of their actions. Although the judge will decide the defendant’s sentence based primarily on the pre-sentence report and certain sentencing guidelines, the judge should consider the statements before making a decision.

Wow, I would love it if the GM victim statements were like the Larry Nassar ones: DAYS of them. DOZENS. Entitled perp.

Strong echoes of GM (and now her family)

Overview:

My favorite few moments are her response to a letter Nassar wrote complaining he had to listen to it all.

In case you missed it, these are the Nassar judge's full remarks at sentencing. IMO she's spell-binding:

 

[887sMtreme]

I wonder how GM will fill in the time in the next couple of decades if she doesn't take to sewing, gardening or whatever (you know, all those things that the little people do). Perhaps she could write a book? However, I for one would not believe a word of it.

I think she will pretty much just be digesting her own bile, and during “good spells,” manipulating family and other advocates into doing her bidding for as long as they will put up with it. I doubt that will be long.

 

[whitelilac]

Re: victim impact statements before sentencing.
Are victims who were not part of the trial against Maxwell, allowed to make statements before sentencing, like in the Larry Nasser case?
If so, are they allowed to remain anonymous?

I listened to Judge Aquilina above....powerful and riveting words.

 

[mickey2942]

If VG gives a "victim impact" statement at GM's sentencing hearing, that will be the next wrecking ball on PA's carefully built wall against VG.

VG's case is civil, not criminal. So, PA can just stay in mummy's castle forever. No extradition there. Unless it turns criminal, but since age 17 isn't a crime in UK, unlikely extradition.

 

[whitelilac]

victim Sarah Ransome speaks:
Epstein survivor 'locked eyes with Ghislaine Maxwell' in court

 

[Kiranerys]

Wow, I would love it if the GM victim statements were like the Larry Nassar ones: DAYS of them. DOZENS. Entitled perp.

Strong echoes of GM (and now her family)

Overview:

My favorite few moments are her response to a letter Nassar wrote complaining he had to listen to it all.

In case you missed it, these are the Nassar judge's full remarks at sentencing. IMO she's spell-binding:

What an absolutely outstanding woman. This is exactly what a judge should be. I would be proud to be her friend any day!

 

[Kiranerys]

Re Contempt of court in the UK. We have had a handful of cases in the UK and Ireland where the person were given new identities on release from prison,and some juvenile cases where the offenders id's are protected forever with lifetime anonymity orders.
There have been cases where citizens have been prosecuted for sharing names and images of these offenders.
A woman in Ireland was recently prosecuted for sharing images of one of the killers of Ana Kriegal and in England a liverpudlian actress was fined I think £10k (I will check) for sharing an updated image of John Venables,one of the killers of James Bulger.

 

[BeachSky]

Judge: Prince Andrew can't halt lawsuit with domicile claim
NEW YORK -- Prince Andrew’s effort to immediately block the progression of a lawsuit by a woman who says he sexually assaulted her when she was 17 — on the grounds that she no longer lives in the U.S. — was rejected by a federal judge as oral arguments were set to proceed Monday on the prince's request to dismiss the lawsuit.
Judge Lewis A. Kaplan, in a written order Friday, told the prince’s lawyers they must turn over documents on the schedule that has been set in the lawsuit brought in August by Virginia Giuffre

 

[887sMtreme]

Maybe we could separate the themes here:
GM is 100% to blame.
As a separate topic altogether, some parents are extremely neglectful. Some parents don't give a rip about what happens to their kids. Some parents aren't providing bare necessities. Some parents are so stressed out themselves, they cannot raise another being. Some parents make their homes unbearable for their children. Etc. etc.

May I add that some parents are just clueless. If their daughters are being “courted” by wealthy, famous men, they are delighted. If the daughters leave out the smarmy parts (as daughters often will), all the parents think is that their daughter is swimming in high society, goody goody, let’s brag to the friends. I speak from personal experience.

 

[Cool Cats]

May I add that some parents are just clueless. If their daughters are being “courted” by wealthy, famous men, they are delighted. If the daughters leave out the smarmy parts (as daughters often will), all the parents think is that their daughter is swimming in high society, goody goody, let’s brag to the friends. I speak from personal experience.

Right this was the whole point!

The parents see the nice side the helpful side the charming side.

Happens gradually. Parents think this woman is being a mentor giving their daughter a leg up. It is all very captivating and upstanding at first.

Parents had no clue about the deception.

GM was the buffer, they saw her as the daughter's protector. They didn't just see this older guy hitting on their daughters. That's not the scheme they played.

 

[CrimeAway]

Right this was the whole point!

The parents see the nice side the helpful side the charming side.

Happens gradually. Parents think this woman is being a mentor giving their daughter a leg up. It is all very captivating and upstanding at first.

Parents had no clue about the deception.

It's classic grooming behavior, IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

It's classic grooming behavior, IMO.

Yup!

They were so good at it they fooled the girl's families and friends. Families and friends were proud that the girls got the opportunities and the girls wanted the opportunities to work out.

They were scared, ashamed, embarrassed and everything else when weird things started to happen. A devil's price. Didn't know what to do, who to turn to? The mentor who is doing it to them?

 

[Cool Cats]

Re: victim impact statements before sentencing.
Are victims who were not part of the trial against Maxwell, allowed to make statements before sentencing, like in the Larry Nasser case?
If so, are they allowed to remain anonymous?

I listened to Judge Aquilina above....powerful and riveting words.

Yes and can remain anonymous but not anonymous to the defendant. GM will know who they are. Could be Jane Doe 3 to us.