GUILTY NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #4

[Dotta]

Yes, his answers to the judge seemed way too perfect. And he just happened to delete all of his social media the week before?

Well, this plus the fact he hired a lawyer speak volumes!

 

[BUF]

I have a question. IF he did put no to the sex abuse question could he be prosecuted for it? I mean potentially if he did and they have to have a retrial because of it thats a heck of a lot of money wasted. I guess potentially theres the second juror also in the mix

I don’t believe so. An argument could always be made that he didn’t do this intentionally…maybe his memory was suppressed due to the trauma and only came to light when he heard the victims testify…unless something really egregious was discovered.

 

[BUF]

Dates the judge set on this matter:

Judge Nathan asked the defense file a motion for a new trial by January 19, with a response by prosecutors due by February 2 and a defense reply by February 9, saying that their briefs should address why there should or should not be an inquiry, adding that she will ultimately make a decision on whether an inquiry is warranted.

Nathan also said in her order that the court will offer the juror a court-appointed counsel, which the juror can decline. If an attorney for the juror wishes to make an argument about whether there should be an inquiry, they can make a filing by January 26.

Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers say they want a new trial after juror says he was sexually abused as a child - CNN



Jan 19 Defense filing for new trial
Feb 2 Prosecutors response
Feb 9 Defense reply
Jan 26 Juror Attny filing for argument

 

[UK Girl]

I don’t believe so. An argument could always be made that he didn’t do this intentionally…maybe his memory was suppressed due to the trauma and only came to light when he heard the victims testify…unless something really egregious was discovered.

yeah i get that but...he said something about he would have said the truth if he had seen the question which doesnt sound like thats the case ( that his memory was suppressed i mean)

 

[Dotta]

Attorney General wants a probe

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...axwell-juror-admitted-flew-questionnaire.html

 

[Legally Bland]

Thinking about her appeal if they do not get a mistrial. If the juror answered yes to the question and GM's attorneys didn't question or strike him, I wonder if that would be grounds for ineffective assistance of counsel.

It looks like the jurors also had to give some details, so probably less likely the defense missed it I would have thought.


Order – #462 in United States v. Maxwell (S.D.N.Y., 1:20-cr-00330) – CourtListener.com

 

[UK Girl]

It looks like the jurors also had to give some details, so probably less likely the defense missed it I would have thought.
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Order – #462 in United States v. Maxwell (S.D.N.Y., 1:20-cr-00330) – CourtListener.com

He said to start with there was nothing about sexual abuse and then when the Mail said about Q48 he said something about he would have filled it in correctly but ugh how do you miss all that? or not remember filling it out come to that?

 

[Gardenista]

It looks like the jurors also had to give some details, so probably less likely the defense missed it I would have thought.
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Order – #462 in United States v. Maxwell (S.D.N.Y., 1:20-cr-00330) – CourtListener.com

It sure does. Uh oh.

 

[Dotta]

I dont want to sound offensive but this person's strange behaviour:
- flying through the survey without paying proper attention
- irresponsibility of giving numerous interviews before the sentence is given
- claims that he swayed other jurors' opinions
etc
might indicate some personality disorders.
Are the potential jurors checked in this aspect?

Once again I want to assure that I dont want to accuse, it is just my observation.

 

[mickey2942]

This entire situation is beginning to remind me of a John Grisham novel. Or perhaps, it is a novel, waiting to be written, soon to be a "Lifetime" movie.

 

[tayaway]

I dont want to sound offensive but this person's strange behaviour:
- flying through the survey without paying proper attention
- irresponsibility of giving numerous interviews before the sentence is given
- claims that he swayed other jurors' opinions
etc
might indicate some personality disorders.
Are the potential jurors checked in this aspect?

Once again I want to assure that I dont want to accuse, it is just my observation.

Who knows what's what, but hopefully the AG will get an investigation. What a mess. How infuriating for all the people involved.

 

[Dotta]

Who knows what's what, but hopefully the AG will get an investigation. What a mess. How infuriating for all the people involved.

I only think about the victims - their purgatory seems never to end.

 

[StasiaUK]

Stealth juror

So I’m not a complete crazy head? Hehe

 

[RickshawFan]

It's statistically impossible not to know somebody who has been sexually harassed/abused/assaulted. This goes far beyond a juror and whether he truthfully answered this particular question. Societal attitudes silence so many that much of these incidents are normalized or, when it's exposed and clearly wrong, blamed on the victim. [edit: clarity]

This. Totally this. The entire jury pool would have been eliminated.

 

[RickshawFan]

I have a question. IF he did put no to the sex abuse question could he be prosecuted for it? I mean potentially if he did and they have to have a retrial because of it thats a heck of a lot of money wasted. I guess potentially theres the second juror also in the mix

Maybe he didn't realize it was sex abuse at the time of the questionnaire.... People can put together things out of the blue (viz the gymnasts).
He also might have been in denial with himself.
He also might be lying NOW.

 

[RickshawFan]

Well, this plus the fact he hired a lawyer speak volumes!

The prosecution's request to the judge asked for a court-appointed attorney for the juror.

 

[Dotta]

This. Totally this. The entire jury pool would have been eliminated.

But the problem lies elsewhere.

Everybody has a right to unprejudiced jury.

A juror must answer truthfully to all the questions in the survey.
It is then for lawyers to decide if she/he is fit to be in Jury.

Other thing, it is wrong if a juror's ego jeopardises the trial.

It means victims' suffering in case of a retrial.
MOO

 

[Dotta]

The prosecution's request to the judge asked for a court-appointed attorney for the juror.

Thanks for clarifying

 

[Dotta]

Maybe he didn't realize it was sex abuse at the time of the questionnaire.... People can put together things out of the blue (viz the gymnasts).
He also might have been in denial with himself.
He also might be lying NOW.

You would be a dedicated defence lawyer

But the the victims and their justice are the key element in the whole picture.
And now they are in the limbo.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Do you seriously think that either;
GM would have acquired them if JE hadn't asked and payed her to?
or that JE wouldn't have assaulted them if GM hadn't acquired them for him!?

JE procured them via her because it was safer and much easier.

It's impossible to know for sure what would have or could have happened if GM wasn't right there, grooming & luring underage girls for JE. My only point was (other than both of them are disgusting predators), she was the one who went out of her way to do the grooming. Both vile, but they had different roles. Over the years in various cases I see expressions of the opinion that it's worse when a woman is the one grooming young girls simply due to her being a woman. Like it violates the unspoken sort of sisterhood thing.

jmo