NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #5

[tayaway]

I am not judging anyone just a genuine question. It says he is going to use the Fifth amendment but can the stories he sold to the paper..using his words be used against him?

Obviously. *said in Alan Rickman's Snape voice*

 

[Dotta]

Ghislaine Maxwell juror who failed to disclose his history of sexual abuse will plea the Fifth | Daily Mail Online

Update

 

[Cool Cats]

I am not judging anyone just a genuine question. It says he is going to use the Fifth amendment but can the stories he sold to the paper..using his words be used against him?

They already are being used against him.

From Daily Mail article posted above:

Judge Nathan has said in a ruling that David's post-trial statements are 'clear, strong, substantial and incontrovertible evidence that a specific, nonspeculative impropriety' had occurred, meaning a false statement.

The hearing will be to determine whether or not it was deliberate, which means that David's intention to plead the Fifth raises significant questions.

 

[Chelly]

They already are being used against him.

From Daily Mail article posted above:

Judge Nathan has said in a ruling that David's post-trial statements are 'clear, strong, substantial and incontrovertible evidence that a specific, nonspeculative impropriety' had occurred, meaning a false statement.

The hearing will be to determine whether or not it was deliberate, which means that David's intention to plead the Fifth raises significant questions.

Could this result in mistrial? Is Maxwell being thrown a lifeline? This issue is infuriating....imo.

 

[Dotta]

Could this result in mistrial? Is Maxwell being thrown a lifeline? This issue is infuriating....imo.

Well, this case has been dragging since 2008 with JE first conviction, no?

 

[Gardenista]

They already are being used against him.

From Daily Mail article posted above:

Judge Nathan has said in a ruling that David's post-trial statements are 'clear, strong, substantial and incontrovertible evidence that a specific, nonspeculative impropriety' had occurred, meaning a false statement.

The hearing will be to determine whether or not it was deliberate, which means that David's intention to plead the Fifth raises significant questions.

Is the judge who is going to figure out if it was deliberate the same judge who said she would be able to "smoke out" any jurors who were lying during jury selection?

 

[UK Girl]

Is the judge who is going to figure out if it was deliberate the same judge who said she would be able to "smoke out" any jurors who were lying during jury selection?

Lol yep

 

[Cool Cats]

Ghislaine Maxwell juror likely to get immunity for testimony

Prosecutors said in a submission to U.S. District Judge Alison J. Nathan on Wednesday that they were in the process of seeking approvals to offer immunity to the man to compel his testimony at a hearing next Tuesday.

Judge Nathan is limiting her questioning of Juror No. 50
to these 2 questions:

Question 48
“Have you or a friend or family member ever been the victim of sexual harassment, sexual abuse, or sexual assault? (This includes actual or attempted sexual assault or other unwanted sexual advance, including by a stranger, acquaintance, supervisor, teacher, or family member.)”

Question 25
“Have you, or any of your relatives or close friends, ever been a victim of a crime?” Juror No. 50 also checked the “No” box in response to that question.

Defense lawyers asked the judge to toss out the verdict based on the juror’s revelations and order a new trial. They said if she did not do so, she should question other jurors as well, especially after a second juror reportedly post-trial revealed a history of sex abuse. And they asked to explore Juror No. 50’s online and email communications.

But Nathan said the rest of the requests were “vexatious, intrusive, unjustified, and a fishing expedition.”

 

[Kemug]

Do we know exactly where Ghislaine is these days, and how she is whiling away the time?

 

[Dotta]

Do we know exactly where Ghislaine is these days, and how she is whiling away the time?

Still in the same cell.
She will be transfered to another prison after the sentence (whenever it might be).

 

[Chelly]

They already are being used against him.

From Daily Mail article posted above:

Judge Nathan has said in a ruling that David's post-trial statements are 'clear, strong, substantial and incontrovertible evidence that a specific, nonspeculative impropriety' had occurred, meaning a false statement.

The hearing will be to determine whether or not it was deliberate, which means that David's intention to plead the Fifth raises significant questions.

IMO...He is nothing but a trouble-maker, maybe even went into this jury with a nefarious intention.

 

[Dotta]

IMO...He is nothing but a trouble-maker, maybe even went into this jury with a nefarious intention.

His strange statement that he "locked eyes" with GM during the trial gave me creeps.
He sounds like a fantasist.
MOO

 

[Chelly]

His strange statement that he "locked eyes" with GM during the trial gave me creeps.
He sounds like a fantasist.
MOO

foolish attention-seeking for recognition and fame.

 

[RickshawFan]

His strange statement that he "locked eyes" with GM during the trial gave me creeps.
He sounds like a fantasist.
MOO

This is why he could be someone who has fantasies about influencing other jurors, but this might all be in his head. The other jury members may, in fact, have caught on, and largely ignored his grandiosity.
As I stated ^^^^ there is so much context here that the judge has to sort through: this is not a black and white issue.

 

[UK Girl]

This is why he could be someone who has fantasies about influencing other jurors, but this might all be in his head. The other jury members may, in fact, have caught on, and largely ignored his grandiosity.
As I stated ^^^^ there is so much context here that the judge has to sort through: this is not a black and white issue.

According to him...the jury was unable to come to a decision and that it was his words that helped them come to a guilty verdict.

 

[RickshawFan]

According to him...the jury was unable to come to a decision and that it was his words that helped them come to a guilty verdict.

Exactly. That's according to him.

Here's a fictional analogy, that may also develop @Dotta and @Chelly 's points ^^^:
--According to me, Mrs. Smith who lives on the corner is a witch.
--I lambaste Mrs. Smith to all the neighbors on the grounds she's a witch. I say she's been riding on a broomstick under a full moon. I saw her myself.
--The neighborhood develops a consensus that Mrs. Smith is a witch.
--I am so generally thrilled with my brilliance that I'm quite sure I've managed to convince everyone that Mrs. Smith is a witch. It's all my doing! That without my say so, no one would have guessed.
--This turns out to be fantasy: all the other neighbors know she's a witch because she showed them her wicca membership card at the neighborhood BBQ. I wasn't even invited.

So, the juror can pat himself on the back all he wants; whatever he says, though, may very well not reflect reality in the jury room.

 

[UK Girl]

Exactly. That's according to him.

Here's a fictional analogy, that may also develop @Dotta and @Chelly 's points ^^^:
--According to me, Mrs. Smith who lives on the corner is a witch.
--I lambaste Mrs. Smith to all the neighbors on the grounds she's a witch. I say she's been riding on a broomstick under a full moon. I saw her myself.
--The neighborhood develops a consensus that Mrs. Smith is a witch.
--I am so generally thrilled with my brilliance that I'm quite sure I've managed to convince everyone that Mrs. Smith is a witch. It's all my doing! That without my say so, no one would have guessed.
--This turns out to be fantasy: all the other neighbors know she's a witch because she showed them her wicca membership card at the neighborhood BBQ. I wasn't even invited.

So, the juror can pat himself on the back all he wants; whatever he says, though, may very well not reflect reality in the jury room.

Perhaps..but we do know that they were taking a while to make a decision and it was weird because one minute they was asking the Judge to clarify they would have to work over New Year which was several days away....and then a hour or so later they came to a decision so something did seem to happen to move things along. Either way we will see what happens I guess.

 

[sds71]

Juror 50 granted immunity

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.539612/gov.uscourts.nysd.539612.632.0.pdf

 

[sds71]

@benfeuerherd

Ghislaine Maxwell juror Scotty David heads to Manhattan federal court ahead of retrial hearing this morning

 

[Gardenista]

This is saying because he was going to invoke, he is likely guilty and a new trial will be granted

Ghislaine Maxwell judge to grill embattled juror under oath