NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #5

[investikater]

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On the British Royal Throne in Buckingham Palace

Phew!

"CNN's royal correspondent Max Foster said that the throne represents a symbol of a monarch's authority, and

'no one else has the right to sit in it.

That would be seen as a sign of disrespect towards Queen and country'."

Ghislaine Maxwell and Kevin Spacey pictured posing on British throne | CNN

The British royal family has been dragged once again into the Jeffrey Epstein scandal as a photograph emerged showing the late financier’s alleged accomplice posing on a throne at Buckingham Palace.

amp.cnn.com

Jeffrey Epstein’s Pilot Says He Flew Kevin Spacey on Plane Dubbed “Lolita Express”

Plus actor Chris Tucker and two former presidents. Jeffrey Epstein’s Pilot Says He Flew Kevin Spacey on Plane Dubbed “Lolita Express” Wren Graves

www.yahoo.com

Is that it?

So;
Flying on JEs plane? - so has everyone apparently!

And that photo? - Good grief I can just imagine how that photo probably came about: PA taking his 'friends' for a tipsy tour around the palace in the middle of the night.

 

[investikater]

FBI is demanded to release HUNDREDS of 'missing' Epstein documents

Pressure is mounting on the FBI to release a tranche of 'missing' evidence uncovered during the raid on Epstein's New York townhouse in July 2019.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes where did all epsteins ALLEGED blackmail material go?

The problem for the fbi I SPECULATE, is that blackmail is a crime, as is often the collection of blackmailable material.

And so they are caught in a complicated mess off being required to protect victims of extortion, as well as possibly having evidence of these same victims having committed crimes.

Similar to the pyramid scheme of girls.

 

[investikater]

A-list names in Epstein documents cache but what prospect of charges?​

No one beyond Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell is directly implicated in the sex-trafficking conspiracy – and that seems unlikely to change

A-list names in Jeffrey Epstein documents cache but what prospect of charges?

No one beyond Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell is directly implicated in the sex-trafficking conspiracy – and that seems unlikely to change

www.theguardian.com

I still wonder if JE hadn't died, would GM have been prosecuted at all?
Or would she had been considered another 'victim' in JEs pyramid scheme?
Or would it have depended if she cooperated or not?

 

[investikater]

Before the Court are letter-motions filed by Intervenors
Julie Brown and Miami Herald Media Company, (dkt. no. 1321), and
Intervenor Alan Dershowitz, (dkt. no. 1323), seeking to unseal in
part docket entry 1026-3 to disclose the identities of the Jane
and John Does. For the reasons set forth below, the letter-motions
to unseal docket entry 1026-3 are DENIED

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1329.0_1.pdf

Why are these Johns and Janes getting special treatment?

JB is a journo so that makes sense, but why is AD involved?
Is he representing himself? Is he annoyed at someone getting special treatment he hasn't gotten? (I would be too.)

AD had a victory over VRG. Is that related?

Woman who accused Prince Andrew drops 'mistaken' allegations against Alan Dershowitz

Virginia Giuffre, who won millions from Prince Andrew for alleged sexual abuse, now says may have been wrong in accusing Alan Dershowitz of the same.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Charlot123]

JE was a high IQ and high EQ sociopath.
He manipulated and blackmailed his path through life.
<modsnip>

OK, let me respectfully disagree with it. If anyone asked, how did Zuckerberg make his money, or how Sergey Brin made his money, or Larry Page, or Bloomberg, or Ballmer, there are no questions because, transparency. <modsnip: quoted post was snipped>

Why questions about Epstein emerge? Logically, there is total lack of transparency with his businesses. And there will never be any. This is why.

As to intelligence connections that have been questioned, all intelligences in the world use honeytraps. All intelligences exist for mining information. I think as long as Epstein cavorted with people like Prince Andrew, few paid attention, as Prince Andrew had neither IQ nor EQ, just his royal DNA. But somewhere, Epstein overstepped boundaries.

 

[Charlot123]

Yes where did all epsteins ALLEGED blackmail material go?

The problem for the fbi I SPECULATE, is that blackmail is a crime, as is often the collection of blackmailable material.

And so they are caught in a complicated mess off being required to protect victims of extortion, as well as possibly having evidence of these same victims having committed crimes.

Similar to the pyramid scheme of girls.

I think it is important to know who of the people with potential to be blackmailed due to connections with Epstein is still in business, and who retired or old. Personally, I don't even want to see the list.

 

[investikater]

Why questions about Epstein emerge? Logically, there is total lack of transparency with his businesses. And there will never be any. This is why.

I actually agree with you.

Conspiracy theories always grow around secrets and opaqueness. They grow to fill in the space where a lack of information has left a void.

They also always seem to have at least some tiny kernel of truth in them.

But they are usually wrong. Not always, but usually. Usually reality is much less exciting than what the human imagination conjures up to fill that void.

Usually Occam's Razor is correct and the simplest explanation is usually the right one.

Complex conspiracies involving many individuals are extremely difficult to pull off. Every extra person exponentially increases the risk.

Usually what our pattern seeking minds think must be malice or malevolence is just a mixture of incompetence, mistake, and chance.

It seems much more likely that this was the work of a single sociopath than a professional sanctioned operation run by a major intelligence organisation.

 

[investikater]

As to intelligence connections that have been questioned, all intelligences in the world use honeytraps.

Untrue. (Well as far as I know)

Supposedly: No professional western first world intelligence agency in the modern world weaponises sex.

For example in the US intelligence agencies, it is a fireable offence to have a sexual relationship with an asset. They are also trained to avoid such entanglements.

<modsnip: off topic>

 

[investikater]

This has gone down
Can anyone find an archive?

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https://www.dailymail DOT co DOT uk/video/news/video-3093797/Former-Mossad-agent-claims-Jeffrey-Epstein-spy DOT html

Ari Ben-Menashe a supposed former Mossad agent

 

[investikater]

Epstein list: Relationship with Israeli intelligence back in spotlight

The appearance of ex-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak's name on the Epstein list has fueled previous claims the pedophile was a spy for Israel who mined Prince Andrew for intel.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[investikater]

Dailymail is a little persuasive
Could I be changing my mind?

 

[investikater]

If it was a Mossad operation then how come it failed?

Can anyone explain that to me?

 

[RichardKimble]

Met rejects calls to investigate Prince Andrew after release of Epstein files​

Scotland Yard suggest recently unsealed documents containing allegations of sexual assaults do not provide new information

Met rejects calls to investigate Prince Andrew after release of Epstein files

Scotland Yard suggest recently unsealed documents containing allegations of sexual assaults do not provide new information

www.theguardian.com

Yet the Mail are claiming SY aren't ruling it out.

Scotland Yard will not rule out investigating sexual assault claims against Prince Andrew as new documents bring relationship to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein back into spotlight​

Scotland Yard may assess sexual assault claims against Prince Andrew

Scotland Yard last night said it would not rule out investigating sexual assault claims against Prince Andrew.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Charlot123]

If it was a Mossad operation then how come it failed?

Can anyone explain that to me?

General answer from:

Recruitment of spies - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

"One former CIA officer said that while sexual entrapment was not generally a good tool to recruit a foreign official, it was sometimes employed successfully to solve short-term problems."

I think it is a good way to look at is. Maybe the main reason it failed is because it was not a short-term planned operation, but Epstein's enterprise, obsessive hoarding of compromising materials, and it simply ran for too long. I am not even sure that most of these materials are of any use now.

 

[Dotta]

Is that it?

So;
Flying on JEs plane? - so has everyone apparently!

And that photo? - Good grief I can just imagine how that photo probably came about: PA taking his 'friends' for a tipsy tour around the palace in the middle of the night.

I don't understand your surprise

His name was on the list because he was an acquaintance of GM and JE.

It was reported that anybody connected for whatever reason with the duo was on that list.

What is so strange to understand?

"Many names in the documents are mentioned in passing as part of various legal proceedings, and their inclusion does not suggest wrongdoing related to Epstein."

Who is named in Jeffrey Epstein files and why? - BBC News

The identities are being revealed under a US lawsuit connected to the disgraced millionaire.

www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[investikater]

When the business is so not transparent, be prepared for someone to ask, who bankrolls it. With Ghislaine Maxwell being his partner, the question they ask is only logical. Epstein's history is not your typical "startup in a relative's garage" case. It's "overnight millionaire and no one knows how he made his money" case.

A doco i cant remember and a Vanity Fair report which is behind a paywall heavily implied he got most of his money from Wexner via manipulation, seduction, blackmail, embezzlement and abuse. Seemed plausible to me. The behavior described and its effects is textbook sociopathic.

How Jeffrey Epstein Got His Hooks Into Les Wexner

The Limited CEO was gifted at “dressing women,” says former financial adviser Sandy Lewis, but “he didn’t understand the numbers.” And he was lonely, which made him vulnerable. Then Epstein moved in.

www.vanityfair.com

How 'bulls--t artist' Jeffrey Epstein seduced Victoria's Secret CEO

A rew report by Vanity Fair details Epstein's relationship, and falling-out, with billionaire Victoria's Secret founder

torontosun.com

 

[investikater]

General answer from:

Recruitment of spies - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

"One former CIA officer said that while sexual entrapment was not generally a good tool to recruit a foreign official, it was sometimes employed successfully to solve short-term problems."

I think it is a good way to look at is. Maybe the main reason it failed is because it was not a short-term planned operation, but Epstein's enterprise, obsessive hoarding of compromising materials, and it simply ran for too long. I am not even sure that most of these materials are of any use now.

That's a good link thanks

 

[arielilane]

Updated 9:07 PM EST, January 5, 2024

NEW YORK (AP) — The release of dozens of previously sealed court documents from a lawsuit involving Jeffrey Epstein might disappoint online sleuths who anticipated explosive new information.

The nearly 200 documents released as of Friday largely mention figures whose names were already known, including high-profile friends of Epstein’s and victims who have spoken publicly. In fact, the judge who made the call last month to release the information said she was doing so largely because much of it is already public.

Dozens more Jeffrey Epstein documents are now public. Here’s what we know so far

The first 40 documents, of around 250 expected to eventually be unsealed, mention figures whose names were already known, including high-profile friends of Epstein’s and victims who have spoken publicly.

apnews.com

 

[Betty P]

A doco i cant remember and a Vanity Fair report which is behind a paywall heavily implied he got most of his money from Wexner via manipulation, seduction, blackmail, embezzlement and abuse. Seemed plausible to me. The behavior described and its effects is textbook sociopathic.

How Jeffrey Epstein Got His Hooks Into Les Wexner

The Limited CEO was gifted at “dressing women,” says former financial adviser Sandy Lewis, but “he didn’t understand the numbers.” And he was lonely, which made him vulnerable. Then Epstein moved in.

www.vanityfair.com

How 'bulls--t artist' Jeffrey Epstein seduced Victoria's Secret CEO

A rew report by Vanity Fair details Epstein's relationship, and falling-out, with billionaire Victoria's Secret founder

torontosun.com

Yes, the VF articles state that Lex Wexner was not good with the financial aspect of his companies, so it was easy for Epstein to trick him into thinking he could manage Wexner's money and get greater returns for him.

Around the same time, Lewis became aware that Jeffrey Epstein had entered Wexner’s life, presumably to manage some of Wexner’s money, as has been widely reported. (As I reported two weeks ago, Robert Meister, a former vice chairman of Aon, the big insurance brokerage, introduced Epstein to Wexner.) Lewis couldn’t figure out why Wexner had turned to Epstein to manage his money when Lewis already had an unparalleled track record managing some of Wexner’s money—returning more than 30% a year to his partners for 10 years.

Wexner's friends also said he was a "lonely guy" who was probably befriended by Epstein. He just picked the wrong friend. Wexner was brilliant at dressing women. Epstein gave him the opportunity to spend much more time with young women, probably living out his fantasies. He creeps me out. I know some young women who worked at The Limited stores back in the late 70's and early 80's. It bothers me to think they were working hard (and not being paid very much) for such a creepy guy. I assume he preferred Epstein's underage girls, like the high schoolers who worked part time in his stores.

Regardless of how some try to portray Wexner as a victim who was lured and controlled by Epstein, I have no sympathy for him. He preyed on young women. As employees, he treated them badly, but made a great deal of money from selling clothes to them.

 

[Arkay]

The release of dozens of previously sealed court documents from a lawsuit involving Jeffrey Epstein might disappoint online sleuths who anticipated explosive new information.

The nearly 200 documents released as of Friday largely mention figures whose names were already known, including high-profile friends of Epstein’s and victims who have spoken publicly. In fact, the judge who made the call last month to release the information said she was doing so largely because much of it is already public.

This seems very accurate to me.

Reporters need something to report. I imagine that they were waiting with bated breath for sensational and titillating stories about very famous people involved in extremely salacious behavior.

The judge, as you’ve pointed out, already knew what was in these documents and figured it was best to clear the air.

While the rest of us are relieved to not hear of more big names involved in abusing young girls, I think it was a big letdown for the media, as well as for those in the public hoping for more scandal.

The truth is already bad enough.


JMO