Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 9

[Sharoneonta]

I don't see where Abigail said GR had an abuse problem. I think she's reiterating the fact that GR had made some bad decisions while using alcohol, such as a tryst.

 

[LolaAngelina]

I don't see where Abigail said GR had an abuse problem. I think she's reiterating the fact that GR had made some bad decisions while using alcohol, such as a tryst.

My post was asked directly of Abigail, so she can answer it if she chooses.

 

[zwiebel]

Not sure what FB rules are...but I think the folks who have deleted postings and taken over her page aren't too concerned with rules...except when using them to try to get posts deleted from OTHER facebook pages

I was thinking more about fb being concerned with rules. They have certain duties to the people who use their service regarding privacy etc. Depending on the rules, Jennifer might not have been allowed to give permission for someone to use her fb page like that when she was alive, and she certainly isn't giving her permission now she is deceased.

I really had the impression fb don't make exceptions to their rules, but I suppose if they haven't been made aware it's not Jennifer using her page and she is deceased, then of course they won't have acted.

 

[LolaAngelina]

I was thinking more about fb being concerned with rules. They have certain duties to the people who use their service regarding privacy etc. Depending on the rules, Jennifer might not have been allowed to give permission for someone to use her fb page like that when she was alive, and she certainly isn't giving her permission now she is deceased.

I really had the impression fb don't make exceptions to their rules, but I suppose if they haven't been made aware it's not Jennifer using her page and she is deceased, then of course they won't have acted.

I am just looking back through some old posts. This was asked of LD and she said something like oh its her husband so what, he has the password anyway. I will find it if it hasnt been deleted

 

[Sharoneonta]

Can anyone point me to the post where it was verified that GR failed a polygraph test?


TIA

 

[zwiebel]

It says here that verified immediate family members can have fb pages of deceased persons memorialized or shut down. I guess that would include Jennifer's husband, parents, siblings.

I'm sure GR isn't allowed to do what he is doing, and fb would stop him if they knew.

https://www.facebook.com/help/408583372511972/

 

[MsFacetious]

Don't they generally close a "missing" person's page once that missing person has been located?

I am trying to think of another person who meets the criteria of Jenn's case and facebook page:

Went missing
Had a facebook page set up by an organization
Was found deceased
That organization still maintains the page after the person was found deceased

I recall MANY times pages being closed as soon as the missing person was found.
I remember distinctly this annoying me.

Is it common for an organization for missing people to continue to maintain a page for a 100% deceased person?

 

[momrids6]

Can anyone point me to the post where it was verified that GR failed a polygraph test?


TIA

It was in one of the nine threads. It may still be there- or may have been deleted or removed by now... that is why I take notes, and/or print what I feel may be important later.

 

[MsFacetious]

If a post about the polygraph HAS been deleted there was probably a reason for that. :twocents:

I didn't get the impression it was "confirmed" he failed.
I got the impression it was an assumption he failed, since he hasn't bragged about passing?

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, or Jillian made an earlier post that clarified it?

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[deoneta]

But he did not really make that at all clear. If he really wanted to present Jennifer as a possible victim, he did not succeed, when it would have been so easy to do so.

I think he was trying to play both roles at once, the grieving family man who broke down in Walmart because he couldn't call JR and ask her what to buy and the cuckolded husband whose wife had met the wrong man on line. Either way, he figures he's covered. All MOO

 

[Sharoneonta]

It was in one of the nine threads. It may still be there- or may have been deleted or removed by now...

No disrespect, I just tend to be skeptical until I see things in black and white and I can't for the life of me recall that this info had been verified nor can i find the post. Do you remember which insider verified it?

 

[yupikgirl]

Interesting post here about possible new living arrangements. Anyone know anything about this? First comment:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=520600704653306&id=485680108145366

 

[Montjoy]

Do you remember which insider verified it?

I'm also somewhat skeptical about this information. Who would know about it? The person interrogated, perhaps his lawyer (if he retained one), and LE. The person interrogated would not likely let slip that he failed a polygraph (nor would his lawyer), and if LE revealed it, we'd have a MSM link. I think that this information (allegation?) is problematic.

 

[Sharoneonta]

It was in one of the nine threads. It may still be there- or may have been deleted or removed by now... that is why I take notes, and/or print what I feel may be important later.

That's just it, I would have made a note and I don't have one.

 

[deoneta]

http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/st...ce-in-wifes-death/NAO7jKz5I0mj5avBjsngUg.cspx

"...it is what is man"

I'm so relieved to know that he forgives LE for searching his house in an effort to locate his missing wife. What a guy. All MOO.

 

[LolaAngelina]

It says here that verified immediate family members can have fb pages of deceased persons memorialized or shut down. I guess that would include Jennifer's husband, parents, siblings.

I'm sure GR isn't allowed to do what he is doing, and fb would stop him if they knew.

https://www.facebook.com/help/408583372511972/

He did that quite early on, so guess he knew she was deceased?:facepalm:

Looking back at the old posts and found this:

Originally Posted by LolaAngelina
Lavanda, can you tell us who had access to Jennifer's fb? I'm assuming yourself and her husband? I know people will usually share passwords but seems like there would be a privacy breach there?
Well done for organising the event and doing the video as well. You are certainly getting a lot done to get Jennifer's name and face out there.

Lavanda Dolce:
I am "friend-ed" on JR's (now private) FB page, however I do not have password nor access. There is no need for what I do in my work to have access anyhow. Nothing that we do would require me needing to go to her page through password access. Any private messages she may have had is available only to husband and law enforcement. Naturally as you know law enforcement has access to everything and GR is the only one that has the password access to her page.

The reason I had asked this was because it was very clear from previous posts that LD had in fact accessed it herself:

Lavanda Dolce:
We had to shut down her page as people on Facebook were taking her photographs without permission and many of the children on her page.

Originally Posted by Jilllian
I wonder how this benefits him and how it will be justified publicly?

My guess is "took photo of kids down," or something like that.

Or, "to protect JR's privacy"...

If JR wanted it set to private, she would have done that herself.

Makes me wonder what JR would want NOW.

Lavanda Dolce:
She would want her children to be comfortable. Read my recent posts about why I had her page converted to private.

 

[deoneta]

Thanks to those who conducted their own experiments to prove GR could have moved the body on his own. I believe any of those methods and others are very possible. I saw my skinny husband put a car engine in the back of his pickup only last week, by himself, using only two boards and a very rudimentary understanding of physics so I have no doubt GR could have figured out something. All MOO.

 

[zwiebel]

I'm sure I read somewhere that, for the loved ones of a missing person, much of the point of them ALL taking lie detector tests as quickly as possible was to exclude themselves from suspicion and help avoid anything that might distract from the search for their missing loved one.

Does anyone else remember the long, long list of people who had taken a lie detector in the Mickey Shunick case? They posted it up on her missing page and people 'wore' the fact they'd taken one like a badge of honour.

 

[yupikgirl]

Meanwhile on Facebook the spinning on every.single.comment. The likes have stayed the same, but the number of people talking on the page has cut a lot....exactly what they wanted IMO

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f....116046405231622.21590.116018661901063&type=1

 

[momrids6]

I'm also somewhat skeptical about this information. Who would know about it? The person interrogated, perhaps his lawyer (if he retained one), and LE. The person interrogated would not likely let slip that he failed a polygraph (nor would his lawyer), and if LE revealed it, we'd have a MSM link. I think that this information (allegation?) is problematic.

a verified insider posted it- up to one to choose to believe it or not. IIRC, we have no information as to what any of the verified insiders do for a living.