NY - Karina Vetrano, 30, found murdered, Queens, 2 Aug 2016 #2

[Momoffourboys]

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Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce was filmed by WPIX saying: 'He was seen on the pathway of the Belt Parkway, which is in the north end of the park, of Spring Creek Park. That's why we're putting it out.
'We want to speak to this person, because we feel that he was there.'
Boyce continued: 'This sketch was prepared by a utility worker who was working in the area at the time and saw this individual near the top of the park, Spring Creek Park.'

Boyle said the man is described as black male who is 35 to 45 years old.
He said: 'He's 5'10" with a medium build. He wearing dark pants with a red T-shirt, and if you'll notice the dark wool hat.'

Boyle said: 'We don't know who he is, we don't know if he's a fellow jogger, what he's doing.'
Police don't know if the man went into East New York, Brooklyn, or Ozone Park, Queens, Boyle said.
Cops told the New York Daily News that the man is not believed to be the killer, but is someone who they would like to speak to in order to develop additional leads.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lain-jogger-Karina-Vetrano.html#ixzz4IwPbiOuV
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[x_files]

Makes me wonder too. Karina fought hard - you'd think his cap would've been been pulled off at some point - either by her or by himself when he got hot during the exertion.

Did he toss her things about (headphones, shoe), but then pick up his hat and put it back on? Seems a bit strange, though not impossible.

??

jmo

Maybe they found wool fibers on her under her nails?
Strangely enough I do see people wearing heavy coats and wool hates on 90 degree days. I do NOT get it., Some addicts that live on the street dress heavily.

 

[x_files]

Could also have been a ski mask rolled up being worn as a hat.. When pulled down covers his face/only leave eyes/mouth exposed.

yes, my thoughts exactly

 

[Momoffourboys]

If the perp attacked her from behind, she may not have had the chance to grab a hat.

 

[ThinkHard]

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Doesn't look anything like the Vetrano sketch to me.

Really? I think they look a lot alike. The jaws and face shapes are almost identical!

 

[FindHG]

Kemberly Richardson, Eyewitness News, ABC 7,
"reports the NYPD released a sketch of a man they want to speak with in the Howard Beach jogger murder."

'LE stresses he is not a suspect nor a person of interest.'


"The man in the sketch, who they say did not witness the murder, can fill in some of the blanks."

[...]

"If he recognizes himself in the sketch

to please come forward,

to help with this investigation."



Thank you so much, MotheroffourBoys, for all your help.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Really? I think they look a lot alike. The jaws and face shapes are almost identical!
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Completely different people, IMO. Look at the nose.

 

[Inthedetails]

Maybe they found wool fibers on her under her nails?
Strangely enough I do see people wearing heavy coats and wool hates on 90 degree days. I do NOT get it., Some addicts that live on the street dress heavily.

If they're living on the streets, they don't have a closet.

 

[ThinkHard]

Completely different people, IMO. Look at the nose.

Yes the noses and the eyes are a bit different but remember these are sketches from people's memory as they are articulated to a sketch artist, they are not photographs.

The second one the sketch artist made the man look like he was scawling in the first picture the mans face is relaxed.

Btw a witnesses memory and an artists interpretation there is room for differences.

Yet these men's jaws are identical...just look at their mustaches and add some facial fuzz to the first picture.

They are strikingly similar for hand drawn sketches of recalled memory in my opinion.

 

[Inthedetails]

Completely different people, IMO. Look at the nose.

I agree that these two guys don't look alike, other than being perhaps in the same age range and they both have mustaches. The noses, eyes, and foreheads are very different. The nose is especially telling and even from memory, it's easy to remember a wide nose versus a narrow one. The guy on the left looks clean-cut, while the guy on the right looks more street-wise.

Of course, it's possible they are the same guy.

Also, is the guy on the left wanted for pulling pants and then fleeing the scene? Do I have that right? If so, the MOs are not the same.

jmopinion

 

[FindHG]

If they're living on the streets, they don't have a closet.

It's always a little cooler off the water on a hot day away. If he kept walking along the water's edge, the same way, over the 'pathways of the Belt Parkway', then he may have come out around Pennsylvania Ave or Rockaway.

 

[Momoffourboys]

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Investigators said without witnesses their best chance of finding Vetrano's killer was to create a DNA profile using a sneaker, ear buds and a used condom found at the scene, as well as DNA discovered on Vetrano's body.

http://pix11.com/2016/08/31/sketch-...need-to-talk-to-in-killing-of-karina-vetrano/

Hmmm this was never confirmed to be connected. Wondering if PIX is just assuming the condom found was from KV's attack.

 

[ThinkHard]

I agree that these two guys don't look alike, other than being perhaps in the same age range and they both have mustaches. The noses, eyes, and foreheads are very different. The nose is especially telling and even from memory, it's easy to remember a wide nose versus a narrow one. The guy on the left looks clean-cut, while the guy on the right looks more street-wise.

Of course, it's possible they are the same guy.

Also, is the guy on the left wanted for pulling pants and then fleeing the scene? Do I have that right? If so, the MOs are not the same.

jmopinion

How can you compare their foreheads when one has a skull cap on? You can barely see his forehead as a point of reference.

Also if it is the same guy, and he knew a sketch was circulating of him, if think he might be very likely to try to change his appearance, like perhaps by growing facial hair.

The jaws and face shapes and chin shape are identical!

 

[Inthedetails]

It's always a little cooler off the water on a hot day away. If he kept walking along the water's edge, the same way, over the 'pathways of the Belt Parkway', then he may have come out around Pennsylvania Ave or Rockaway.

Good to know the possible exits.

BTW, I don't think the perp is necessarily living on the streets (though he could be) - my comment was in reply to clothing in general, not necessary that I think the perp is homeless. I actually think he isn't, but of course, he could be.

I would love to hear news that the sketch generated more leads!

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

How can you compare their foreheads when one has a skull cap on? You can barely see his forehead as a point of reference.

Also if it is the same guy, and he knew a sketch was circulating of him, if think he might be very likely to try to change his appearance, like perhaps by growing facial hair.

The jaws and face shapes and chin shape are identical!

I can see part of his face above his eyes and used the word "forehead." But you are correct that the cap covers some of the forehead.

The eyes, the part of the brow or forehead that is shown, and nose do no look alike to me.

I understand you do see more similarities than I do.

 

[GlasgowGirl86]

Has there been any discussion about why the killer didn't use the nearby water to their advantage? Is the water quite a walking distance from where poor Karina was found? Does it possibly show lack of planning on killers part or that they were rushed?

 

[ThinkHard]

I can see part of his face above his eyes and used the word "forehead." But you are correct that the cap covers some of the forehead.

The eyes, the part of the brow or forehead that is shown, and nose do no look alike to me.

I understand you do see more similarities than I do.

The eyes are difficult because one sketch artist drew a relaxed face and the other drew a scawling face....if one is scawling it's going to change the shape and look of your eyes. To me this account for the difference more then anything else with the eyes.

It's like trying to compare two mouths when one is smiling and one is closed.

 

[ThinkHard]

Has there been any discussion about why the killer didn't use the nearby water to their advantage? Is the water quite a walking distance from where poor Karina was found? Does it possibly show lack of planning on killers part or that they were rushed?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say "used the water to his advantage"

Do you mean as in had a boat? Or as in used the water to clean himself up?

Regardless since the police don't know where the guy exited, who's to say he didn't use the water in some way.

 

[epiphany]

http://abc7ny.com/news/sketch-released-of-witness-in-howard-beach-jogger-murder/1492219/

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Here is his description:
- Black male
- 35 to 45 years old
- Height: 5'10"
- Medium build
- Wearing dark pants with a red t-shirt and dark wool hat

Could his eyebrows be groomed/waxed or just emphasizing that are very thin?

His eyelids appear heavy to me as in I think he's on the older side (40s).

 

[Inthedetails]

Has there been any discussion about why the killer didn't use the nearby water to their advantage? Is the water quite a walking distance from where poor Karina was found? Does it possibly show lack of planning on killers part or that they were rushed?

What do you mean by using the water to his advantage? As an escape route? Or, to dump the body into?

I'd love to hear a local talk about how far Karina's running route was from the water.