NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

[Seaslug44]

Okay I did some more digging and it appears that the court did begin to side with CPH and his movement to seek protection under the Good Samaratin Law. This January 2002 court document shows that the judge agreed to accept a motion late in the case to legally recognize CPH as acting as a volunteer member of the fire department at the time the alleged medical malpractice took place;

Order verifying volunteer status granted

This all but sealed up CPH's defense argument. It was so damaging to the plaintiff's case that the only other court document on file for this case was this October 2002 document by the court granting the plaintiff's attorney's request to withdraw from the case;

Permission Granted to withdraw from the case

The document gave the Plaintiff until December 12, 2002 to attempt to find another attorney who was willing to represent them. That deadline came and went without another word from the infant's mother. Since most of the attorneys who handle these types of cases work mostly on the "only pay us if we win you a settlement" basis, it's nearly impossible to find another one of these types of attorneys to take over a case that another one walked away from (law firms seldom walk way from cases that stand a fighting chance of being won). Walking away from this case was like declaring that it was a lemon and a waste of time, money and resources to pursue any further.

Sorry to uncover this twist. It by no means should be interpreted that CPH didn't do anything wrong. It just confirms that he was slick enough to operate in a manner where he was completely shielded from prosecution by the law. It also puts to rest the theory that he lost his shirt and had to declare bankruptcy as a result of this case (in turn strengthening my assumption that it could have been his inability to work due to the accident that took his leg that led to his financially worries).

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Awesome find, Seaslug!!!!

I wanted to re-post the transcript to the 48 hours show for reference. There is a link to CPH's letters to 48 hrs on one of the pages. It is worth a read or a re-read.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/12/48hours/main20078763.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

wm

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Okay I did some more digging and it appears that the court did begin to side with CPH and his movement to seek protection under the Good Samaratin Law. This January 2002 court document shows that the judge agreed to accept a motion late in the case to legally recognize CPH as acting as a volunteer member of the fire department at the time the alleged medical malpractice took place;

Order verifying volunteer status granted

This all but sealed up CPH's defense argument. It was so damaging to the plaintiff's case that the only other court document on file for this case was this October 2002 document by the court granting the plaintiff's attorney's request to withdraw from the case;

Permission Granted to withdraw from the case

The document gave the Plaintiff until December 12, 2002 to attempt to find another attorney who was willing to represent them. That deadline came and went without another word from the infant's mother. Since most of the attorneys who handle these types of cases work mostly on the "only pay us if we win you a settlement" basis, it's nearly impossible to find another one of these types of attorneys to take over a case that another one walked away from (law firms seldom walk way from cases that stand a fighting chance of being won). Walking away from this case was like declaring that it was a lemon and a waste of time, money and resources to pursue any further.

Sorry to uncover this twist. It by no means should be interpreted that CPH didn't do anything wrong. It just confirms that he was slick enough to operate in a manner where he was completely shielded from prosecution by the law. It also puts to rest the theory that he lost his shirt and had to declare bankruptcy as a result of this case (in turn strengthening my assumption that it could have been his inability to work due to the accident that took his leg that led to his financially worries).

BBM

I don't recall when the bankruptcy occured...but I have seen the picture of CPH with his prosthetic leg visible, standing by the flagpole with his son. His son was just a boy in that pic...perhaps 6 years old. Not much older. The red compact vehicle in the background was also an older mode vehicle. If I had to guess, I would say the picture was mid 1990's at the latest.

 

[Peter Brendt]

If CPH is the Manorville Torso Killer, he would have needed a place to cut his victims to pieces. Any idea about such a place? Something with privacy?

 

[Seaslug44]

Regarding the second lawsuit, this is what I was able to uncover;

The lawsuit was filed in 1996 against three other doctors, Long Beach Hospital and a lab called National Emergency Services Inc. It was a malpractice lawsuit that involved another infant. Three years later in 1999, the Long Beach Medical center (assuming this is Long Beach Hospital's new name) filed a third party claim against CPH in an attempt to shift some or all of the responsibility to him (still trying to find details on what exact role CPH played in this case). Eventually the two cases were merged and agreed to be heard together.

CNA insurance company was brought in as a defendant (because they insured one of the doctors in the original case). That original case was settled on 07/28/00 (shortly after CNA insurance joined the case). The settlement DID NOT include any funds from CPH or any judgement against him. On 7/10/03 (three years later), the case against CPH by Long Beach Medical Center was dismissed.

Here is a snapshot of CPH's very little involvement in this case;

Appearance Details for CPH in the 2nd Malpractice case

As you can see, his involvement was limited to a Preliminary Conference, six adjournments, the pre-trial conference where they agreed to hear both cases together and the disposition when the case against him was dismissed.

To me, this case brings more questions about CPH's ability to properly practice medicine. The case against him may have been dropped. However, the fact remains that HIS OWN FORMER EMPLOYER felt they had enough evidence to file a case against him.

What on earth did they think he did wrong?

I will continue to Sleuth to see what I can uncover.

 

[Seaslug44]

Sorry to do this but if someone's life story is going to be ripped apart and criticized I'm sure you will agree that we should at least have the facts stated accurately.

We now know he had a substance abuse problem himself that caused him to need rehab treatments for 3 years 88, 89, 90.[/B]

-Extremely strong accusation. Where did you see this stated and are we sure it was substance abuse rehab treatment? As we all know, "Rehab" stands for Rehabilitation. How do we know he wasn't rehab for some medical condition other than substance abuse (like teaching him how to walk again?)

We know he settled the suit and paid up.

FALSE STATEMENT as proven in my previous posts.

We know he declared bankruptcy.

Yes but BEFORE he ever got wind of any pending lawsuit against him. Most likely cause of his financial trouble was the onset of his disability.

We know that his actions were severe because the good samaritan law
couldn't even protect him.

FALSE STATEMENT. As soon as the court ruled that he needed to be recognized as acting as member of the volunteer fire department at the time in question the case against him was all but over and the plaintiff's attorney withdrew from the case.

We know that he misrepresented himself in court as an MD in the first trial, then properly identified himself as a DO in the second.

FALSE STATEMENT. The document that incorrectly identifies him as an MD was composed by the Supreme Court itself without his knowledge.

We know he lost the job at Long Beach hospital.

Did he quit, was he fired, did he go out on long term disability or did his residency simply end like all residencies do?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'd like to ask if anyone has a clear sense of timing for the "Halfway House" call to SG's mom. News reports seem to indicate that it was "shortly after her disappearance", but nothing seems firm.

On the LISK site, Flukeyou said: "Dr called SG mother 10 or so hours after she went missing ….. How did he get her number, why did he say Shannon was under his care that morning…THESE ARE FACTS"...

Does anyone have any idea where Flukeyou got the 10 hour figure from? How is this a "Fact"?

Is there anyone on here that communicates with either Flukeyou or SG's mom that might be able to shed some light here?

I ask because CPH's phone records show calls made on the 6th and 9th, not the 2nd.

This is just my opinion of course, but when you start listening to someone who claims to know inside info, but isn't in any way verified as a reliable source, you start to mess up your own thinking process. I avoid that kind of info like the plague, but even doing that, I sometimes stumble across rumor by accident and then can't get it out of my head. It tarnishes your thought process, imo.

Just my :twocents:

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

There is a little discrepancy here on the behavioral side. Allegedly, and we heard that from the sister and the boyfriend, it was an older white guy. I said my opinion about speech patterns already. But the angle of compulsive drunk dialing is new. Now, I can imagine, he was drunk, but he was not so drunk to miss any chance to hit the soft spots in his targets (as in sister and boyfriend/pimp). He was obviously well aware, that he needed to deliver prove he was who he claimed to be and therefore the thing with tattoos and sex scenes between Melissa and Terry. So he couldn't have been that drunk.
I have still two problems with the theory, this client is the killer:

a.) Maureen Brainard-Barnes, who obviously left the client well and alive and was abducted later.

b.) The primary targeting of Terry instead of Amanda (was that her name?).

Both together appear to me rather support a form of stalker theory.

It is not hard at all to determine the race of an individual on the phone. Actually, 99% of the time it is obvious--at least for me it is.

 

[Peter Brendt]

It is not hard at all to determine the race of an individual on the phone. Actually, 99% of the time it is obvious--at least for me it is.

Let me call you, I promise, I change all the time between my Satchmo, Christopher Walken and Martin Luther King. 99% of the time, the race is obvious because nobody changes intentionally voice or speech pattern. For a SK, the situation is maybe different.
However, if the caller was really an older white dude (I take that from other posts that way), the question is how old? There are a few cases, psychopaths got a late stressor, for example Albright, the Texas Eyeball Killer, but it's rather rare. More likely, a psychopath would come to his first kill in the twenties, maybe even earlier. That would mean, the signature is established since years, but still, we have no older cases with that signature. So, if this OLDER white guy is correct, we should look around for cases going back till 1980 with similar signatures (maybe Albuquerque?).
If it's an older WHITE dude, the victimology points to someone who loves change in the bed, Then we have to look for African-American victims, Asian victims and maybe also Hispanic victims somewhere.
However, if you say, you can, and you're the native speaker, I am not, I have to trust in your judgment.

 

[inspctrgadget]

According to CPH's 48 Hours letter:

1) Sometime between May 1st-6th, CPH meets BOTH Alex and Mike in person and provides his "calling card."

2) On May 6th, Alex calls CPH and they speak for approximately 1-5 min., then promptly calls Mari Gilbert for 4 min.

3) On May 9th, CPH calls Shannan's sister at 12:06 PM and speaks for 4 min.

4) On May 9th, CPH meets Mari Gilbert, "sisters" & "family" in the presence of CPH's family while they were distributing Missing Persons Posters.


From the findshannangilbert.com, run by the investigators acting on behalf of the family (see: http://www.findshannangilbert.com/inside-the-investigation-part-1)

1) "Why did he deny that call at a later date when Shannan’s sisters came to visit ?"

From a couple of random news reports:
"A couple of weeks later, her sisters, Sarra and Sherre Gilbert, traveled from upstate Ellenville to Oak Beach. They spoke to neighbors, walked along the roads, and spoke with Brewer. Just before leaving, Sarra said she reached down on the ground and found an earring that had fallen from her sister's ear."

"A week after she disappeared, Shannan's sisters made a discovery on the steps outside Joe Brewer's house: their sister's earring."
____________________________

OK, so here's my thinking.

Why on God's green Earth would CPH meet the "driver" in person and then immediately call Mari and say she left with the driver? He would expect Mari to immediately confirm this with Mike and promptly call back with a "WTF - you lied to me!". It wouldn't make any sense for CPH to have said that - he would be screwing himself if the intent was to trick the family into some sense that she was OK, thus obviating further search of the area.

Also, wouldn't CPH have been a bit worried about making the halfway house claim if he just spoke to Alex 4 minutes ago? Wouldn't he expect Alex and Mari to be in communication, and wouldn't he expect an immediate callback from Alex saying "You never told me you saw Shannan that night!"

In addition, the investigator for the family wants to know why CPH denied making those calls "to the sisters" when they visited. Well, per CPH's report, the sisters visited on the 9th, the same day as one of his two calls. However, this visit included Mari Gilbert. So shouldn't the investigator's question be "Why did he deny that call at a later date when ---"Mari Gilbert"--- came to visit ?" Why didn't Mari, on May 9th, say something like "Hey CPH, you called me today at 12:06 PM and said Shannan stayed with you at your halfway house - what gives?" Rather, the sisters alone seem to be reporting the CPH denial. This makes sense only if (1) the actual halfway house call occurred later than May 9th, and (2) the sisters came back a second time (at some point after May 9th) and then received the denial about the contents of the phone call from CPH. It should be pretty easy for police to corroborate whether or not this "denial" occurred on May 9th given that there were members of both families present.

What I'm suggesting is that CPH is telling the truth, and that the "halfway house" call was made by someone else, most probably after the 9th. This someone else either used Hackett's name or the family got the name confused with Hackett's, since they had contact with him (and probably many others) in the weeks after May 1st. However, this "someone" seems to know that she had a "driver". So this "someone" either gleaned that information from Shannan or he observed Michael Pak in the early morning hours of May 1st driving around looking for Shannan, and surmised that he was her "driver".

I also have not found any credible, documented report that CPH lied to the news media, the family or anyone else. He vehemently denies the reported content of the call to ABC News, on camera, but never as far as I can tell stated that he never called. We also don't know what was said to the sisters, but I believe he vehemently denied that Shannan stayed with him that night, not that he ever called with or spoke with the family.

Finally, and most importantly perhaps, is the fact the CPH has two documented calls to the family, one on the 6th and one on the 9th. Follow this logic.... Let's say he called on the 6th and allegedly made the halfway house claim. Why would he call a second time on the 9th? Wouldn't he expect the family to say "Hey, we just spoke with you on the 6th, and here's what you said." Or alternatively, if he made the "halfway house" claim on the 9th, wouldn't he have expected the family to say "Why didn't you mention this on the 6th when we spoke to you, or why didn't you mention this to Alex and Pak?" Neither scenario makes any sense, so for me at least, CPH is telling the truth with respect to these calls, and the fact that he made two separate calls seems to vindicate him.

That said, I believe Mari received a call referencing the "halfway house". Who made it, exactly when and why are the questions that will get us closer to solving this case, and the case of the GB4. My belief is that this call was made with firm intent to shift the focus of the investigation and search away from Oak Beach, and onto the "driver". I think that it is possible that Mari is recalling the caller's stated identity (CPH) incorrectly given my observations above, and in that case I wouldn't believe that the caller's primary intent was to shift suspicion onto CPH.

By the way, it seems like a licensed clinical social worker that lives on Anchor does provide drug and alcohol rehabilitation services, although their practice location seems to be located outside of Oak Beach. I wonder if this person ever did run a halfway house, in Oak Beach or otherwise. Not that I suspect this person made the call, but rather that the true caller might have synthesized information about various neighbors in their story to Mari.

 

[kemo]

Interesting points InspectrG. It is an unfortunate fact that in many missing persons cases, particularly those involving children or young women, people will attempt to insert themselves into the investigation by approaching the family and represent themselves as someone who has the means and ability to help them. These "Good Samaritans “can interfere with the investigation and sometimes become "suspects" themselves.

A second unfortunate fact is that family members, desperate for answers, who feel LE isn't doing enough or is "dropping the ball" will resort to providing "inaccurate" or misleading information to them directly or to the media in hopes of "prodding" LE into action.

I'm wondering if thisi s what is going on here. Perhaps CPH is just a distraction.

 

[Sillybilly]

According to CPH's 48 Hours letter:

1) Sometime between May 1st-6th, CPH meets BOTH Alex and Mike in person and provides his "calling card."

2) On May 6th, Alex calls CPH and they speak for approximately 1-5 min., then promptly calls Mari Gilbert for 4 min.

3) On May 9th, CPH calls Shannan's sister at 12:06 PM and speaks for 4 min.

4) On May 9th, CPH meets Mari Gilbert, "sisters" & "family" in the presence of CPH's family while they were distributing Missing Persons Posters.

I haven't had time to digest all of your post yet, but this springs to mind:

CPH admits to making the May 6 phone call to Mari Gilbert, but IIRC, his wife states in one of the videos, to the effect that `we never even heard of Shannan Gilbert` or `didn`t even know she was missing`until the family came to the neighbourhood looking for her (which would be May 9). He certainly would have heard of Shannan in order to have made the May 6 phone call to Mari.

 

[inspctrgadget]

I haven't had time to digest all of your post yet, but this springs to mind:

CPH admits to making the May 6 phone call to Mari Gilbert, but IIRC, his wife states in one of the videos, to the effect that `we never even heard of Shannan Gilbert` or `didn`t even know she was missing`until the family came to the neighbourhood looking for her (which would be May 9). He certainly would have heard of Shannan in order to have made the May 6 phone call to Mari.

Thanks Sillybilly, but let's be sure so as not to perpetuate any rumors. I think you're referring to a video clip of CPH's wife answering the question "did you see her that night", and her response was "how could we, she is missing." So your point is good, but its just not rooted in the MSM documentation that I'm aware of. If I'm wrong, please let me know and include the link.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Interesting points InspectrG. It is an unfortunate fact that in many missing persons cases, particularly those involving children or young women, people will attempt to insert themselves into the investigation by approaching the family and represent themselves as someone who has the means and ability to help them. These "Good Samaritans “can interfere with the investigation and sometimes become "suspects" themselves.

A second unfortunate fact is that family members, desperate for answers, who feel LE isn't doing enough or is "dropping the ball" will resort to providing "inaccurate" or misleading information to them directly or to the media in hopes of "prodding" LE into action.

I'm wondering if thisi s what is going on here. Perhaps CPH is just a distraction.

Or perhaps he has a "monger phone", in addition to his regular cell phone.

 

[Seaslug44]

I'm wondering if thisi s what is going on here. Perhaps CPH is just a distraction.

Starting to suspect the same thing. Last week Truthspider made a solid compelling arguement backed by what he stated were facts. Yet now most of that information was inaccurate. Not saying that CPH is a model citizen. The world is full of suspicious looking people who inappropriately inject themselves in the middle of situations where they have no business being. It doesn't help that CPH seems to add fuel to the fire and make himself look guilty as sin every chance that he gets. If he is not the SK then there is no doubt that the true SK is making the same observations about CPH as we have here. If that is the case then it is very possible that the SK is exploiting the circumstances and helping CPH look like prime suspect number one.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I haven't had time to digest all of your post yet, but this springs to mind:

CPH admits to making the May 6 phone call to Mari Gilbert, but IIRC, his wife states in one of the videos, to the effect that `we never even heard of Shannan Gilbert` or `didn`t even know she was missing`until the family came to the neighbourhood looking for her (which would be May 9). He certainly would have heard of Shannan in order to have made the May 6 phone call to Mari.

Hi sillybillly:seeya:

This has perplexed me also and here is a thought...

This claim may not necessarily be a lie but not necessarily the truth either. I am sure that neighborhood was abuzz with gossip after Shannan disappeared as any neighborhood would be. Shannan may have been known by her 'escort name' thru the neighborhood grapevine after her disappearance. We just don't know if she identified herself to any of the neighbors whose homes she ran to for help....... or if JB really didn't really know her real name til after the fact or what. Or maybe Mrs Cph is deflecting, IDK. I hope this makes sense as I am just thinking and typing.

wm

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Starting to suspect the same thing. Last week Truthspider made a solid compelling arguement backed by what he stated were facts. Yet now most of that information was inaccurate. Not saying that CPH is a model citizen. The world is full of suspicious looking people who inappropriately inject themselves in the middle of situations where they have no business being. It doesn't help that CPH seems to add fuel to the fire and make himself look guilty as sin every chance that he gets. If he is not the SK then there is no doubt that the true SK is making the same observations about CPH as we have here. If that is the case then it is very possible that the SK is exploiting the circumstances and helping CPH look like prime suspect number one.

I do find alot of things about CPH's statements that don't make sense to me. I also find alot in the statements of MP and JB that don't make sense to me. Having said that, though...I'm not even sure that SG's disappearance is related to whatever happened to our four GB victims. The only thing that makes me think it's possible is the location of the bodies and it's proximity to the gated community from which SG ran. But, I also don't believe all the bodies found off of Ocean Parkway are the work of a lone serial killer, so then I really have to consider the possibility that SG's disappearance might not be related either.

(Hope that makes sense...my caffeine level is kinda low right now.)

 

[Seaslug44]

what gives Goathair? why can't I see this "web of doubt"that gadget has created around himself? just curious..could you please elaborate? I read his/her post and it seems within reason to consider that perhaps there is
misinfo on the calls that occured.

:seeya:

I don't see it either.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hi sillybillly:seeya:

This has perplexed me also and here is a thought...

This claim may not necessarily be a lie but not necessarily the truth either. I am sure that neighborhood was abuzz with gossip after Shannan disappeared as any neighborhood would be. Shannan may have been known by her 'escort name' thru the neighborhood grapevine after her disappearance. We just don't know if she identified herself to any of the neighbors whose homes she ran to for help....... or if JB really didn't really know her real name til after the fact or what. Or maybe Mrs Cph is deflecting, IDK. I hope this makes sense as I am just thinking and typing.

wm

I don't think SG identified herself to anyone WM ... Alex and MP would have identified SG to CPH between their meeting with him that occurred sometime between May 1 and May 6 when they supposedly asked CPH to call Mari Gilbert. When he called Mari on May 6 to discuss her daughter, surely he knew the daughter's name by that time.

 

[Seaslug44]

Thank you endlessly goathair, I have been trying to show through work history that CPH would be familiar with the dump site in Manorville. But you found the proof first, and much more on the money than I ever imagined.

CPH regularly drove up and down Halsey Manor road in Manorville during one of the most traumatizing experiences of his life: the flight 800 tragedy.

At the time of the flight 800 tragedy CPH was director of Suffolk's EMS and SCPD police surgeon. He was one of the top emergency medical personal on scene for the entire recovery operation centered at the East Moriches Coast Guard station. The boat house at the Coast Guard station was turned into a makeshift morgue filled with hundreds of body bags, countless buckets of remains, and an endless number of dismembered body parts.

CPH would have used Halsey Manor road to travel between the coast guard station in East Moriches and Calverton Executive Airpark(secondary site).

So, here is a man who experienced a sever accident and trauma of his own, then during his post as EMS director he oversees the most traumatic event in Long Island's history. SK or not, this man has directly experienced an unhealthy amount of carnage.

The 2 red X's on the attached map are the locations of the 2 Manorville female victims. I am still looking to verify that he worked in Riverhead during 2000 and possibly still in 2003.

Very sorry to do this to you once again but we really need to get the facts straight and so far the majority of what you have been calling facts about CPH have not stood the test of truth. Here is the next bombshell:

CPH DID NOT commute up Harlsey Manor Road daily as you stated because no bodies were ever kept in the airport hanger in Calverton. The bodies were immediately loaded on to refrigerator trucks and driven to the medical examiner's office in HAUPPAUGE!!!!

Here is the proof;

Flight 800 Bodies transported from East Moriches to Hauppauge

That old airport hanger in Calverton was strictly used by the FAA to reconstruct the pieces of the aircraft. No suffolk county police or medical personnel were permitted on premise.

So much for that theory.