NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

[Mountain_Kat]

I don't think SG identified herself to anyone WM ... Alex and MP would have identified SG to CPH between their meeting with him that occurred sometime between May 1 and May 6 when they supposedly asked CPH to call Mari Gilbert. When he called Mari on May 6 to discuss her daughter, surely he knew the daughter's name by that time.

What continues to bug me are those few early reports that say CPH saw SG running down the beach, looking disoriented and sick. Where did that COME from? Don't misunderstand me, I'm fully aware that we're dealing with alot of bad reporting on this case. But that HAD to have come from somewhere. I seriously doubt a reporter just decided to do alittle fictional writing.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/tag/peter-hackett/feed/

Gilbert, a prostitute from Jersey City, was last seen in May by Long Island doctor Peter Hackett, who said he saw Gilbert running at night near Oak Beach, looking both sick and distressed.

 

[Peter Brendt]

What continues to bug me are those few early reports that say CPH saw SG running down the beach, looking disoriented and sick. Where did that COME from? Don't misunderstand me, I'm fully aware that we're dealing with alot of bad reporting on this case. But that HAD to have come from somewhere. I seriously doubt a reporter just decided to do alittle fictional writing.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/tag/peter-hackett/feed/

Gilbert, a prostitute from Jersey City, was last seen in May by Long Island doctor Peter Hackett, who said he saw Gilbert running at night near Oak Beach, looking both sick and distressed.

I stumbled over that and to me it looked as if the reporter just messed up Hackett's name and this other guy, who saw her hiding under or near that boat.

 

[nugzter]

Wouldn't it be nice if LE released an accurate timeline. @MK you are absoultly correct,
"I'm fully aware that we're dealing with alot of bad reporting on this case." If LE would put out some facts on what has been released and misreported, that would help alot. I am so darn confused sometimes, I can't think staright. If this is LE stratagie, to confuse everyone, they are doing it right. lool

 

[inspctrgadget]

Inspector,

Sorry but the only thing you accomplished with this post is to cast a huge web of doubt on YOURSELF! I'm starting to wonder who you are.

Goathair,

My comments were based entirely on relevant MSM documentation. My analysis is based on "thinking for myself", as opposed to just accepting what I hear in MSM and read on the web. Based on Truthspider's recent comments, I was trying to get a better handle on whether or not I believed CPH was in fact a liar. I failed to uncover any actual instance of documented lying. My analysis may not comport with yours, Truthspider's, Flukeyou's or others, but I would welcome any further details, arguments or opinions that you can provide that are based on actual statements, dates, reports, website links - even rumors provided that they are cited as such.

I'll also mention that my analysis is in-line with LE's statement: "I think that that was pretty much debunked," Dormer said, referring to Dr. Charles P. Hackett."

I think we should move past CPH, but if you disagree please let us know, in detail, why.

 

[truthspider]

From what I could gather, from MSM reports and direct quotes from the gilbert family, they were not specific about the dates that they received the calls. On top of that, their statements used the term "from the time she was reported missing" which isn't an exact date and can be interpreted as a date as early as May 1, or any day much later that week. Because I believe it was nearly a week later before the actual NJ Missing Persons report was indeed filed..

Looks like the NY Mag feature quotes MG as saying the day after she went missing. So I would say Sat or Sun. I'm inclined to believe the reporting in a mag feature that spent real money, flew every one in to spend the day together, than other MSM sources.

"The day after Shannan went missing, Mari says, she received a phone call from a man claiming to be Hackett. The man said he ran a home for wayward girls where Shannan had been staying and was calling because she had left unexpectedly. He asked Mari if she knew where Shannan was. It was the first time Mari had heard Shannan was missing."

http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/index5.html

 

[truthspider]

Sorry to do this but if someone's life story is going to be ripped apart and criticized I'm sure you will agree that we should at least have the facts stated accurately.

-Extremely strong accusation. Where did you see this stated and are we sure it was substance abuse rehab treatment? As we all know, "Rehab" stands for Rehabilitation. How do we know he wasn't rehab for some medical condition other than substance abuse (like teaching him how to walk again?)

it's not an accusation, it is clearly written in the document <modsnip>:

"medical care providers furnishing care and treatment to [Dr. Hackett] for substance abuse for the period one year prior to the incidents at issue and two years subsequent to said occurrence."

 

[nugzter]

it's not an accusation, it is clearly written in the document <modsnip>:

"medical care providers furnishing care and treatment to [Dr. Hackett] for substance abuse for the period one year prior to the incidents at issue and two years subsequent to said occurrence."

Ok, if it is true. Why would his substance abuse be relevant to this case. Lots of people have problems. It doesn't make them SK'ers. Maybe it was Heath Ledger. Maybe it was MJ. Ohhhh, noooo, Robert Downey Jr. he's the one. <modsnip>. No proof what so ever.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Well, let's not forget that, according to Mari Gilbert, someone claiming to be the "old dude" called her and said Shannan had been treated in his haflway house, before being picked up by her driver that morning.

The "old dude" is still fair game, imo. So long as the info is accurate and not a bunch of half baked assumptions prensented as facts.

JMO

 

[truthspider]

Ok, if it is true. Why would his substance abuse be relevant to this case. Lots of people have problems. It doesn't make them SK'ers. Maybe it was Heath Ledger. Maybe it was MJ. Ohhhh, noooo, Robert Downey Jr. he's the one. <modsnip>

It's relevant to me for a number of reasons, mainly, <modsnip>.

It's relevant to the case because the "caller" claimed to be treating SG in his rehab.

It's relevant because most if not all of the victims had substance abuse problems.

It's also relevant because one of the victims was planning to (or did) enter rehab at Nassau University Medical Center.

Someone asked on here recently if we were sure CPH actually lied? Did he really say he "never called MG" or did he simply say, "I never said that I treated her".

from the NY Mag article, "She says she came upon information suggesting that he plays some sort of security role at Oak Beach. New York has not been able to confirm this; Hackett, who has done police and EMS work in the past, has denied ever calling or meeting Gilbert."

Seeing as NY Mag tried to confirm everything they wrote, and pointed out when they couldn't confirm something, I am inclined to believe their journalism.

 

[nugzter]

It's relevant to me for a number of reasons, mainly, that sillybilly's accusation that I was throwing around an accusation was false.

It's relevant to the case because the "caller" claimed to be treating SG in his rehab.

It's relevant because most if not all of the victims had substance abuse problems.

It's also relevant because one of the victims was planning to (or did) enter rehab at Nassau University Medical Center.Someone asked on here recently if we were sure CPH actually lied? Did he really say he "never called MG" or did he simply say, "I never said that I treated her".

from the NY Mag article, "She says she came upon information suggesting that he plays some sort of security role at Oak Beach. New York has not been able to confirm this; Hackett, who has done police and EMS work in the past, has denied ever calling or meeting Gilbert."

Seeing as NY Mag tried to confirm everything they wrote, and pointed out when they couldn't confirm something, I am inclined to believe their journalism.

But that is not answering my question. What does HIS substance abuse have to do with this case?
You know sometimes in life we get things messed up.
Now don't take this wrong or try to say I am dissing the SG's family. But some times people get thing like dates, times, phone calls, names, places, directions, ect.... wrong. It happed to me just last week. One of the most important things I do at work. I took a call, and didn't have my note pad with me. And I screwed it up. I forgot who I was talking to, I forgot 2 major details, and most shocking, I thought for sure the guy told me the appointment was on so and so date at so and so time. I missed the date and the time.
So it does happen. And this was some important stuff. If I didn't catch it in time, I would have been in deeeeeeep pooooooop. (Thank God I asked for an e-mail verification) I mean REEEEEAAAAmed!!!
This phone call would not stand up in a court, it is speculative, as to what was said. Only the record of the call would be viable, not the substance of the call. So take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Can we argue the facts and leave the personal attacks off forum, please.

 

[inspctrgadget]

It's relevant to me for a number of reasons, mainly, <modsnip>.

It's relevant to the case because the "caller" claimed to be treating SG in his rehab.

It's relevant because most if not all of the victims had substance abuse problems.

It's also relevant because one of the victims was planning to (or did) enter rehab at Nassau University Medical Center.

Someone asked on here recently if we were sure CPH actually lied? Did he really say he "never called MG" or did he simply say, "I never said that I treated her".

from the NY Mag article, "She says she came upon information suggesting that he plays some sort of security role at Oak Beach. New York has not been able to confirm this; Hackett, who has done police and EMS work in the past, has denied ever calling or meeting Gilbert."

Seeing as NY Mag tried to confirm everything they wrote, and pointed out when they couldn't confirm something, I am inclined to believe their journalism.

Truthspider,

Actually, with respect, the points you are stating as "relevant" are irrelevant, unless you can provide some additional evidence.

I did read the court documents that you provided, and I read the rehab issue completely differently. I read that the plaintiff was requesting access to his medical records, and the plaintiff had to be specific as to what exactly they were looking for (which is typical for discovery requests). So they specified a date range and they specified that they were looking for as any records related to rehabilitation (probably looking for any type of prescription medication usage). As far as I can tell, they were not granted access to these records, if they even existed at all. Which they may or may not have. But in no way is their request somehow provide evidence that CPH was ever in rehab, drug or otherwise, or that he was some sort of junkie. All it proves is that the plaintiff requested the records, which would not be uncommon for a malpractice suit.

Also, from the NY Mag article, the statement "Hackett, who has done police and EMS work in the past, has denied ever calling or meeting Gilbert" seems to support your opinion, which you're definitely entitled to, but in my opinion, its shoddy (or lazy) journalism. The writer should clarify this specific question and issue a correction with respect to the "denied ever calling" aspect unless they can identify the source of this information. Like "according to so and so," or "during an interview with ABC News" would be fine. Which was exactly my original point. We don't have any evidence that he lied about "ever calling", but this is being reported as somehow a given fact by the Interwebs and MSM, particularly this NY Mag article.

 

[truthspider]

Very sorry to do this to you once again but we really need to get the facts straight and so far the majority of what you have been calling facts about CPH have not stood the test of truth. Here is the next bombshell:

CPH DID NOT commute up Harlsey Manor Road daily as you stated because no bodies were ever kept in the airport hanger in Calverton. The bodies were immediately loaded on to refrigerator trucks and driven to the medical examiner's office in HAUPPAUGE!!!!

Here is the proof;

Flight 800 Bodies transported from East Moriches to Hauppauge

That old airport hanger in Calverton was strictly used by the FAA to reconstruct the pieces of the aircraft. No suffolk county police or medical personnel were permitted on premise.

So much for that theory.

Seaslug, I never said bodies were in the Hangar, I said the makeshift morgue was at the coast guard station, (yes, then onto ME office in Happauge). I happen to know first hand that many people from SCPD, and those involved in various Suffolk County Executive Offices were allowed and able to enter the hangar. My father got a tour of the hangar with some SC detectives and he holds no titles other than former DA (former as in decades), etc. It was a spectacle and anybody with a decent connection in the county could get in. I would bet my life that the Director of EMS and SCPD surgeon got his chance to tour the Hangar.

I also happen to know first hand that the head of SC homicide squad doesn't believe CPH did it (his belief as of August 2011). I do, and will likely continue to lean with the FBI.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Nevermind...I can't read.

 

[Seaslug44]

slug, so you believed everything I said when i posted it, then you believed the opposite when sillybilly claimed everything I said was a lie?

how about people refer to the attached docs that I go out of my way to produce and attach? If you did that, then you wouldn't believe what sillybilly said because the truth is clear and in the docs.

I'm glad sillybilly and others finally dug into the legal docs I posted on here in APRIL! But please, everyone needs to do their best to diget and understand the docs before claiming they know the truth or that so and so is wrong. As for the legal docs and interpreting them, i have said before I am not a lawyer and am not perfect, but I will side with an attorneys interpretation over sillybillys. Some of what he claimed I was wrong about, is in plain english in the docs, everyone should see for yourself.

I am glad people are actually looking into the court cases though, thank you.

I believed you because I fell trap to the fact that many of the things you stated were fact turned out to be false when I looked at them. Your are guilty of both Libel and Slander for spreading false information about CPH. If he were to read what you wrote about him and saw you named him he would probably file a personal injury lawsuit against you for defamation of character.

I noticed that you did not respond to the posts where I addressed any of information that you posted about him that is false (but you stated as fact). I will give you the benefit of doubt and repost in again to allow you to properly defend your statements and explain to us how why you feel that you have the right to post such false information about someone.

He may or may not be guilty. But he does have the right to have only TRUE FACTS stated about him. If you are going to hang anyone publicly, it's okay to state that it's your own opinion. As soon as you start telling us that information you've posted are FACTS (when they are not), you are putting yourself in a situation where you are not just misleading the public opinion of the person, you are DAMAGING their reputation. The moment your misleading information convinced many of us to change our opinion about CPH and begin to think ill of him was the moment you crossed the line and broke the law.

Here are reposts of the areas where your so called "FACTS" proved to be either completely false statements, heresay, or a twisting of the truth;

from my first post that can be found here; [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7180551&postcount=1375"]First post with no response from Truthspider[/ame]

Sorry to do this but if someone's life story is going to be ripped apart and criticized I'm sure you will agree that we should at least have the facts stated accurately.


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Originally Posted by truthspider
We now know he had a substance abuse problem himself that caused him to need rehab treatments for 3 years 88, 89, 90.[/b]

-Extremely strong accusation. Where did you see this stated and are we sure it was substance abuse rehab treatment? As we all know, "Rehab" stands for Rehabilitation. How do we know he wasn't rehab for some medical condition other than substance abuse (like teaching him how to walk again?)



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Originally Posted by truthspider
We know he settled the suit and paid up.

FALSE STATEMENT as proven in my previous posts.



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Originally Posted by truthspider
We know he declared bankruptcy.

Yes but BEFORE he ever got wind of any pending lawsuit against him. Most likely cause of his financial trouble was the onset of his disability.



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Originally Posted by truthspider
We know that his actions were severe because the good samaritan law
couldn't even protect him.

FALSE STATEMENT. As soon as the court ruled that he needed to be recognized as acting as member of the volunteer fire department at the time in question the case against him was all but over and the plaintiff's attorney withdrew from the case.



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Originally Posted by truthspider

We know that he misrepresented himself in court as an MD in the first trial, then properly identified himself as a DO in the second.

FALSE STATEMENT. The document that incorrectly identifies him as an MD was composed by the Supreme Court itself without his knowledge.



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Originally Posted by truthspider
We know he lost the job at Long Beach hospital.

Did he quit, was he fired, did he go out on long term disability or did his residency simply end like all residencies do?

From the second of my posts that can be found here; [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7184649&postcount=1391"]Second Post Truthspider has not responded to.[/ame]

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Originally Posted by truthspider
Thank you endlessly goathair, I have been trying to show through work history that CPH would be familiar with the dump site in Manorville. But you found the proof first, and much more on the money than I ever imagined.

CPH regularly drove up and down Halsey Manor road in Manorville during one of the most traumatizing experiences of his life: the flight 800 tragedy.

At the time of the flight 800 tragedy CPH was director of Suffolk's EMS and SCPD police surgeon. He was one of the top emergency medical personal on scene for the entire recovery operation centered at the East Moriches Coast Guard station. The boat house at the Coast Guard station was turned into a makeshift morgue filled with hundreds of body bags, countless buckets of remains, and an endless number of dismembered body parts.

CPH would have used Halsey Manor road to travel between the coast guard station in East Moriches and Calverton Executive Airpark(secondary site).

So, here is a man who experienced a sever accident and trauma of his own, then during his post as EMS director he oversees the most traumatic event in Long Island's history. SK or not, this man has directly experienced an unhealthy amount of carnage.

The 2 red X's on the attached map are the locations of the 2 Manorville female victims. I am still looking to verify that he worked in Riverhead during 2000 and possibly still in 2003.

Very sorry to do this to you once again but we really need to get the facts straight and so far the majority of what you have been calling facts about CPH have not stood the test of truth. Here is the next bombshell:

CPH DID NOT commute up Harlsey Manor Road daily as you stated because no bodies were ever kept in the airport hanger in Calverton. The bodies were immediately loaded on to refrigerator trucks and driven to the medical examiner's office in HAUPPAUGE!!!!

Here is the proof;

Flight 800 Bodies transported from East Moriches to Hauppauge
That old airport hanger in Calverton was strictly used by the FAA to reconstruct the pieces of the aircraft. No suffolk county police or medical personnel were permitted on premise.

So much for that theory.

Listen, nobody is picking on you Truthspider. I would like to think that we all have the same goal in mind (to help find catch the SK before he hurts anyone else). I will be the first one to admit that we all make mistakes and none of us are perfect. If you made all of these mistakes please just admit it, appologize and move on. Ignoring that your "facts" are being challenged is making it appear as though you possibly might have had some sort of alternative motive or a vendetta against CPH that made you knowlingly post false damaging information about him.

 

[truthspider]

What I'm suggesting is that CPH is telling the truth....

I also have not found any credible, documented report that CPH lied to the news media, the family or anyone else.

<modsnip>

MSM reported CPH was the last to see SG "looking both sick and distressed"


"Gilbert, a prostitute from Jersey City, was last seen in May by Long Island doctor Peter Hackett, who said he saw Gilbert running at night near Oak Beach, looking both sick and distressed. “These people need closure and we need to find this girl if she is alive,” he said.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04...ch-for-bodies-off-l-i-in-serial-killer-probe/




Then MSM reported that he denied ever calling the family:

"Hackett, who has done police and EMS work in the past, has denied ever calling or meeting Gilbert."

http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/


Then MSM reported (as did he himself) that he DID call the family.
(see 48 hours transcript)


<modsnip>

 

[Sillybilly]

...I'll also mention that my analysis is in-line with LE's statement: "I think that that was pretty much debunked," Dormer said, referring to Dr. Charles P. Hackett."

I think we should move past CPH, but if you disagree please let us know, in detail, why.

IIRC inspctr ... the "debunk" was referring to CPH having made the phone call to MG. The call was subsequently verified by CPH himself, so it would be interesting to know if possibly the unitial debunk statement was to draw somebody out in some fashion.

 

[nursebeeme]

:seeya:
Just a reminder that we do not attack one another at websleuths. We can debate and have different ideas and voice them but we do not attack one another.

attack the post not the poster.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

IIRC inspctr ... the "debunk" was referring to CPH having made the phone call to MG. The call was subsequently verified by CPH himself, so it would be interesting to know if possibly the unitial debunk statement was to draw somebody out in some fashion.

Please don't get me started on Dormer's "debunked" statement. It makes me crazy. No sooner does he say the rumor has been debunked, than he tells the reporter "we're looking into dat." You can't debunk something until AFTER you've looked into it, for Pete's sake! Any idiot knows that.

Well, obviously not ANY idiot...but your average idiot anyway.

 

[nursebeeme]

:seeya:
Just a reminder that we do not attack one another at websleuths. We can debate and have different ideas and voice them but we do not attack one another.

attack the post not the poster.

I cannot believe the personal attacks I have just had to clean up out of this thread. Everyone please head over and re-read the terms of service here at websleuths.