NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

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  • #521
ArtLover, perhaps you can help clear something up for me. If a local said he saw someone running down Oak Beach, what area exactly would he be referring to? The little beach area just before you get to the parking lot where Fire Island Inlet is (off Galley W. Rd), or would a local refer to "Oak Beach" as the entire shoreline from that parking lot all the way down past the end of the gated community?

I grew up in Va. Beach, and certain small beach areas are referred to by specific names. Example: Chicks Beach is a small stretch of beach, but it's part of the greater Va. Beach coastline. A local going there wouldn't say, "I'm down on Va. Beach", they would say, "I'm down on Chicks Beach." So, is Oak Beach a small beach area? I'm confused.

Can you help shed any light on this for me?
 
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ArtLover, perhaps you can help clear something up for me. If a local said he saw someone running down Oak Beach, what area exactly would he be referring to? The little beach area just before you get to the parking lot where Fire Island Inlet is (off Galley W. Rd), or would a local refer to "Oak Beach" as the entire shoreline from that parking lot all the way down past the end of the gated community?

I grew up in Va. Beach, and certain small beach areas are referred to by specific names. Example: Chicks Beach is a small stretch of beach, but it's part of the greater Va. Beach coastline. A local going there wouldn't say, "I'm down on Va. Beach", they would say, "I'm down on Chicks Beach." So, is Oak Beach a small beach area? I'm confused.

Can you help shed any light on this for me?
well oak beach is the whole area...but its possible he wasn't speaking about that but oak beach road...which is the main road that comes into the gated community and which you would take to go out and either turn right to ocean parkway or continue west to part of oak beach that is not gated but also heavily residential.

it would have been the road she came in on originally at the gate if that's what they are talking about...
 
  • #525
The popular alcoholic drink the Long Island Iced Tea was said to be created here in the 70's, I did not know this. I knew the Drink.
You are right much focus on SG, it's the way she went missing I think. I also think LE is holding back on many details. Once they ID the latest Victims it may paint a better picture.
 
  • #526
It was not right off of OP? Boats could dock at the Club? Maybe I'm thinking of a different club. I remember the name OBI though. I know Long Beach, Lido, Oceanside, Atlantic Beach.

It was right on Ocean Parkway. So crowded at times that people would park right on OP.

I don't remember boats docking but there was a deck outside so it's possible.
 
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Hubby walked into the computer room last night, stood behind my chair and gasped, "Why are you looking at strippers?!"

I told him I was planning our vacation. ;)
:floorlaugh:

MK, I am so glad you are over her on this thread with us!!!
 
  • #528
I don't know whether this counts as rumor or what, but I thought you guys might find it interesting. I was talking about this case with a young single guy I know likes to go down to LI in the summer to meet girls. And he told me that some nights, if you're walking around outside the theater or some of the other hangout spots and bars, there are more hookers and drug dealers than there are customers.

LOL. Really? I suppose maybe where he hangs out that might be the case...

Is he referring to Jones Beach Theater?
 
  • #529
well oak beach is the whole area...but its possible he wasn't speaking about that but oak beach road...which is the main road that comes into the gated community and which you would take to go out and either turn right to ocean parkway or continue west to part of oak beach that is not gated but also heavily residential.

it would have been the road she came in on originally at the gate if that's what they are talking about...

Okay, that was exactly what I was thinking...that the "running down oak beach" reference was made in connection with Oak Beach Rd., not an actual beach. And that made perfect sense to me. If SG was hiding under GC's boat and then took off through the weeds (as GC has stated), then she likely ran behind his gate house and ended up on Oak Beach Road, where she would have headed south, back in the direction of JB's, but on the next road over.

Of course, all this is assuming that the 1 report of someone seeing her running down Oak Beach is accurate and true. I have my doubts about that, but since it was a msm report, I'm willing to consider it.

Thanks for confirming what I already assumed.
 
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Hey all, I think the people on this forum are very bright and intelligent people and have done some staggering work thus far. And for what it's worth I wanted to thank all of you for sharing your time and effort to do anything you can to help these families. Also, the people who have intimate knowledge of the are from living there or vacationing there have provided invaluable information. Anyway, it's reassuring to know there are people out there who care about others, even complete strangers, regardless of lifestyle.

I have had many thoughts about this case and cases, and now I am more confused and filled with doubt than ever before. However, I would like to provide some information and experience to help in any way I can. So here goes,

1. I live in the North Jersey area, about 15 minutes from Jersey City, where SG is from. I also know the service she used, Lace Party Girls, or whatever the new title is. The often do escorts, outcall only, and are available 24/7 for the right price. The range is usually from $200-$500 an hour, depending on location. They also do Bachelor parties and some provide special services depending on what the client wants. They will often send girls all over the NYC metro area to meet clients.
2. This company, and almost all the others like it, employ drivers on staff to make sure everything goes smoothly - from directions, to payment, to security. They are typically just regular guys who are hired for these jobs, often bigger, intimidating people (not always though) So, I am inclined to believe strongly that whoever drove SG was not employed by the john at all. That would never happen, an escort on an outcall at 2am would get into a car with a stranger, especially one who may not even be the john.
3. It is possible, of course, that SG branched out of the company and went independent, which alot of girls do, however, when they are independent, they typically do only incall at hotels to limit their risk as much as thy can. Still tho, if SG went independent, she would without a doubt have a driver with her, someone she knew and trusted, or thought she could trust. Honestly, from seeing the typical drivers, they are not the type who would strike you as a sick, evil person. They're often disinterested, i.e. playing poker while waiting in the car. So to me, SG's driver (meaning the man who drove her to LI) is not a suspect. Even though he left and figured she could find her way home is stupid and cruel, I seriously doubt he is connected.
4. Independent escorts often travel all over the coasts staying in different hotels. For intstance, maybe 4 days in NJ & NYC, 3 days in Fla, 4 days in Philly etc...Although it seems SG was close to her family, so my hunch is that she mostly stayed local.
5. And finally, today while searching some pages, I found an ad/review from 2010 that appeared to be from SG. I also discovered a few posts reviewing her services and people asking how to contact her, where does she advertise, what's she like etc. There are many websites and forums for these sort of things, and with a little digging, I'm sure most people can find them. Anyway, I saw SG post her phone number on one ad, and my heart dropped. I felt like I invaded something that was hers, something about that number made me nauseous, because we learned the person who did this used her phone. It was a surreal, heartbreaking thing to see.

I apologize for the length and if I rambled
 
  • #532
Hi Everyone....my first post. I read the first thread and the SG thread and have been trying to catch up here.....but very behind. : )lots of info!

I have been wondering if Shannan was small, like 3 of the 4 victims wrapped in burlap? I haven't been able to find that info anywhere. Thanks!
 
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One of the things I think would help me (and no doubt others) gain a better grasp of this case is to look closer at the 4 (possibly 5) known victims. For instance, I find it interesting that Amber Lynn Costello was from West Babylon, and last seen in North Babylon. Megan Waterman was last seen at a Holiday Inn in Hauppagua (sp?). I don't don't have much information about Maureen Brainard-Barnes or Melissa Bartelemy, or possible vic Shannan Gilbert, so I'm going to try to work on filling in some gaps later tonight. If anyone has any info the can share, please feel free to pm me links. Thanks.
 
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Was there any kind of a wild tide or anything going on that night, that Shannon could have somehow been pulled into the ocean? Or could it have so dark down there that she didn't know how close she was to the water? Usually the moon will provide enough light near a beach, but I guess it could have been pitch dark and we have heard she was disoriented...
 
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NJGuy I think your right on all of your points, the problem is the 4 ID'd dead Bodies who also posted on services like the ones you mentioned. How girls who did the same as SG ended up dead right near SG will be answered, first we need more info on the others.
 
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SG did go independent. I read it in the posts here somewhere. Anyone have a reference?
 
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I also think there is no way into or out Oak Beach Community unless its through a gated entry somewhere. And the report that she was headed toward Jones Beach, if true, makes sense to me in terms of the exact route I'm tracing

This may have already been posted (yes, i'm still behind). Google Earth has a really clear view of the properties. Unless there have been changes to the roads since then, I would agree that there is only one gated entrance/exit to that community .. just to the east of JB's property. I can't quite figure out if the buildings between JB's and the gate are outbuildings belonging to his property, or a separate property altogether. GC's house is a good distance west of JB, in the opposite direction from the gated entry.

Whether SG was at PH's property before or after Coletti's, they are in totally opposite directions from JB's.

Sorry if this has already been addressed.
 
  • #539
That somehow falling into the water and being swept away by the tide just doesn't compute with me.
 
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This may have already been posted (yes, i'm still behind). Google Earth has a really clear view of the properties. Unless there have been changes to the roads since then, I would agree that there is only one gated entrance/exit to that community .. just to the east of JB's property. I can't quite figure out if the buildings between JB's and the gate are outbuildings belonging to his property, or a separate property altogether. GC's house is a good distance west of JB, in the opposite direction from the gated entry.

Whether SG was at PH's property before or after Coletti's, they are in totally opposite directions from JB's.

Sorry if this has already been addressed.

If you look at the road just past PH's house, it appears that there may also be a gate there. Hard to tell really, but it does appear that there is something across the road looking at google earth.

I've seen maps posted by other WSers that have JB's property marked as a house that is Oceanside with a dock. That's NOT what I have marked. I come up with his property being on the same side of the street as GC's. Located between The Fairway (in front) and Oak Beach Rd. (in back). The address is 7 The Fairway, and every search I've done shows this to be correct.
 
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