NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #3

[chemcopout]

Is it a fact that Shannon stated the dr's name on the 911 call? I didn't listen to the interview.

i'd like to know this as well. i've listened to it, repeated it in parts, and yet i don't recall the sister saying that shannon named the doctor as the killer.

does anyone have proof of this?

 

[Dee10]

arrogant sob

hope they get him and fast.

I feel like he has means and a vehicle. I mean it could be a drifter...but it's a drifter with a vehicle and alot of sophistication for phone technology.

he's not paranoid, he's supremely confident. confident enough to chase a girl while she's on 911.

money
vehicle
sacks
phones

hmmmm...

Good points & if he really is a drifter, he should be able to prove he wasn't even in the state at different times these girls went missing...so that could work form him ironically, even if he turns out to be a sleaze bag.

 

[carbuff]

i'd like to know this as well. i've listened to it, repeated it in parts, and yet i don't recall the sister saying that shannon named the doctor as the killer.

does anyone have proof of this?

I don't know whether this constitutes proof, but the NJ missing persons report is quoted as saying, "the 5-foot, 7-inch woman was last seen wearing a brown leather jacket, blue jeans, a black low-cut blouse, and strappy sandals, the missing persons report states. She had tattoo of cherries on her left wrist and scorpion tattooed on her back. "Ms. Gilbert is bipolar and is known to use cocaine and marijuana as well as prescription drugs,'' the report adds."

From http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/12/missing_jersey_city_woman_shan.html

 

[chemcopout]

Here is what I am getting out of all this: SG , using her cell phone, names her attacker on 911 call which ended with her struggling with this person who a witness saw pulling her into his car. The next day a doctor calls her mother with an explanation for her being at his clinic that night and claims she was alive and well when she left. Would have had mother's number because he had her cell phone. Thought he might need to explain being with her since she named him in her 911 call. With ongoing events may have decided he did not need an explanation and denied being with her. Makes sense to me that this person has to be her killer. Accomplices would have helped him hide her body and given him details of any interviews by police.

If it is not okay to voice this theory, mods please remove.

whethor or not its the real dr, i don't know. however it seems like whoever made that call was trying to "buy some time". if sg's family thought she was alright, then they wouldn't bug le to search for her. (not like le really did at the time anyway)

the family knows shes missing, then someone posing as the dr calls up and says she was staying with him that night then left gives the family false hope that shannon is alive and well.

now the doctor denies making the call and seeing shannon at all. so maybe someone else did it to stall for time for whatever reason?

there's obviously more than 1 bad person involved in this mess...

 

[amysmom]

OMG...I toooollld you!!!! sack races!!!! a second client!!! OMG...I cannot beleive you found that picture...

OMG!!!!!

Does anyone else notice some of the burlap bags/sacks seem to have 'writing or pictures' on them?

Maybe part of the 'race' included designing your sack but whatever it would be extremely stupid to use one of those or one with a biz name so I doubt that's what the SK did..Still, this def proves there's a connection here to burlap sacks!

 

[chemcopout]

I don't know whether this constitutes proof, but the NJ missing persons report is quoted as saying, "the 5-foot, 7-inch woman was last seen wearing a brown leather jacket, blue jeans, a black low-cut blouse, and strappy sandals, the missing persons report states. She had tattoo of cherries on her left wrist and scorpion tattooed on her back. "Ms. Gilbert is bipolar and is known to use cocaine and marijuana as well as prescription drugs,'' the report adds."

From http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/12/missing_jersey_city_woman_shan.html

thank you for this, if shannon was known to use cocaine, then it's no secret. she had a tolerance for it, she couldn't be drugged by it.

they had to have drugged her with a sedative of some sort. she appeared drugged according to witnesses. cocaine would have made her not look dopey, she'd be speedy and awake.

delirious could mean several things, she could have been drugged with ambien, or some other type drug, definitely not speed though.

you don't want your hostage bouncing off the walls.

she was also known to use or be on other prescription drugs. depending on what she was drugged with, if she's taken it before enough she may have had a tolerance up to a point. the sk wouldn't have predicted this. this is why shannon would be able to get away and attempt to get help from the neighbors.
sedatives don't make people panic. she looked dopey, drugged out, spaced out. if the sk(s) attempted to drug her for control, and it didn't work, shannon started calling 911; yet her panic was real, that's not something brought on by a sedative. she knew her life was in danger and despite being drugged, took logical steps to help herself.

fight or flight. she's outnumbered at jb's; doesn't know who to trust, so she runs to neighbor's houses (the woman's and gc's house and they both in turn call 911). now we have sk & company on the move trying to find her.
she was probably feeling even more helpless with lack of le response. so she keeps running. she might feel trapped in, if inside someone's house with a psycho killer after her.

(in this theory anyway...)

 

[chemcopout]

maybe le put out this drifter bit as well as the le bit to throw off the serial killer. if the sk is comfy thinking they're not searching in his direction, le can observe him.

as for a drifter, is the guy a trust fund drifter?

 

[carbuff]

thank you for this, if shannon was known to use cocaine, then it's no secret. she had a tolerance for it, she couldn't be drugged by it.

they had to have drugged her with a sedative of some sort. she appeared drugged according to witnesses. cocaine would have made her not look dopey, she'd be speedy and awake.

delirious could mean several things, she could have been drugged with ambien, or some other type drug, definitely not speed though.

you don't want your hostage bouncing off the walls.

she was also known to use or be on other prescription drugs. depending on what she was drugged with, if she's taken it before enough she may have had a tolerance up to a point. the sk wouldn't have predicted this. this is why shannon would be able to get away and attempt to get help from the neighbors.
sedatives don't make people panic. she looked dopey, drugged out, spaced out. if the sk(s) attempted to drug her for control, and it didn't work, shannon started calling 911; yet her panic was real, that's not something brought on by a sedative. she knew her life was in danger and despite being drugged, took logical steps to help herself.

fight or flight. she's outnumbered at jb's; doesn't know who to trust, so she runs to neighbor's houses (the woman's and gc's house and they both in turn call 911). now we have sk & company on the move trying to find her.
she was probably feeling even more helpless with lack of le response. so she keeps running. she might feel trapped in, if inside someone's house with a psycho killer after her.

(in this theory anyway...)

Possibly, though I still think it's possible that due to an unfortunate drug combination or her own bipolar illness, she freaked out, had a panic attack, thought people were trying to harm her when they weren't, and wound up running herself into exhaustion and dying of exposure somewhere.

I don't think the killer lives nearby. Not permanently, anyway. He might, but something about the location makes me think he's dumping them on his way back to the city.

 

[amysmom]

the importance of the earring is that le missed it completely and it's awfully sad they did, and that shannon's sisters had to find it.

sbm

ITA about the earring not being found by LE but was it really hers? Her sister said it was the same type she wore vs knowing for a fact it was..IIRC, the sister also said the 'john' claims it belongs to one of his older daughters which is not impossible to believe.

 

[Wondergirl]

OMG. I was just looking up the doctor. His wife is very involved in the Oak Beach Civic Association.

Check out this page of their website.

http://www.oakbeachcivicassociation.com/kids

Do you see what I see?

Burlap sacks.

I'm shaking.

OMG.

What a find.

 

[Chanler]

it's not cocaine. maybe lsd or pcp or meth would make someone act like that.

she's in fear of her life, so her panic is going to overpower whatever supposed drug she was drugged with. it could have been ambien for all we know. that knocks some people out, so do different benzos. yet other people might have a tolerance to them and can function normally.

if it was cocaine, and shannon has done that before, then it's not going to give her a bad trip.

if they wanted to drug her, they wouldn't use coke which is a upper, they'd use something to knock her out.

what context did the nj police mention cocaine and do you have a link?
amphetamines are adderall, adhd drugs, speed. why would they want to speed shannon up? if they wanted to gain control over her they would give her some type of sedatives.

the importance of the earring is that le missed it completely and it's awfully sad they did, and that shannon's sisters had to find it.

not to mention if shannon was fine and not feeling like her life was in danger that night then she wouldn't have been missing at all, let alone her earring.

cocaine or amphetamines you mention are very different than date rape drugs.

roofies likely would knock someone out. yet if the killer didn't have that maybe he tried ambien or some type of benzo which would explain why she seemed drugged out.

the way her sister describes it in the interview was that witnesses said she looked drugged. her panic is not from the drugs, which would likely be sedatives of some sort. her panic was sincere since her life was being threatened.

Hi, ChemCopOut. The descriptions of Shannan's condition seem identical to cocaine responses that I have seen over several decades in Manhattan's East Village. Cocaine can cause panic and anxiety and delusions; this is well-documented. Repeated cocaine use doesn't guard one against its negative effects; in fact, over time, those symptoms can become more pronounced.

Meth is an amphetamine.

I never said that cocaine and amphetamines are the same as date rape drugs. Their effects, as I suggested, are opposite. Date rape drugs cause dizziness and drowsiness and sometimes unconsciousness, not high intensity activity; that's their purpose and I have known bartenders and waitresses who have witnessed their effects. Shannan was in the house for several hours before she darted out: If a date rape had been administered, it would have been early on in the "date" and its effects would have been fully manifest.

Shannan's connection with her drug-taking boyfriend was presented by her sister as descent from which her sister said she had never transcended. The information presented by the NJ police was no doubt gathered from the family, friends, and associates.

Shannan was in fear, but she was frenetic and irrational inside and out the house. Your presumption that she was in a real fear of her life is based on your belief that it is true, not on her behavior: More than one non-threatening person opened the door to their house and she simply darted off.

If you would read my original statement about the earring carefully, you will note that I wrote specifically about its human importance; I also noted that it had no evidential significance: It was well documented that Shannan entered and stayed in the house.

 

[Penelope]

They were murdered in the summer, on hot days. If he had put them beside the road immediately, wouldn't someone have noticed the smell?

Not sure how far away from the houses the bodies were actually found, but I will give my opinion based on my experiences growing up on Long Island's South Shore and spending time at Jones Beach and Robert Moses State Park:

When I lived on Long Island and drove that road (mostly in the spring and summer) I don't remember seeing anyone ever walking on it. It would be too hot in the summer to walk it, and it is in such a remote location. I have seen bicyclists on the road in the summer time (my friend and I used to bike to Lido Beach). I imagine that the usual sea smell (salt water, see weed, etc.,) could somewhat mask the smell of decomposition. There is a special "salt water" smell around Atlantic beaches-- I remember it well even though I haven't been back to the beaches of my childhood for 10 years.

 

[Redbird]

But she could have run off from each house just because she was in such imminent danger and she realized the people were not going to be able to protect her.

 

[Wondergirl]

Not sure how far away from the houses the bodies were actually found, but I will give my opinion based on my experiences growing up on Long Island's South Shore and spending time at Jones Beach and Robert Moses State Park:

When I lived on Long Island and drove that road (mostly in the spring and summer) I don't remember seeing anyone ever walking on it. It would be too hot in the summer to walk it, and it is in such a remote location. I have seen bicyclists on the road in the summer time (my friend and I used to bike to Lido Beach). I imagine that the usual sea smell (salt water, see weed, etc.,) could somewhat mask the smell of decomposition. There is a special "salt water" smell around Atlantic beaches-- I remember it well even though I haven't been back to the beaches of my childhood for 10 years.

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[tfrohning]

sbm

ITA about the earring not being found by LE but was it really hers? Her sister said it was the same type she wore vs knowing for a fact it was..IIRC, the sister also said the 'john' claims it belongs to one of his older daughters which is not impossible to believe.

The earring was it turn over to LE? I would think there would dna on it!

That would solve who earring it was?

 

[carbuff]

Not sure how far away from the houses the bodies were actually found, but I will give my opinion based on my experiences growing up on Long Island's South Shore and spending time at Jones Beach and Robert Moses State Park:

When I lived on Long Island and drove that road (mostly in the spring and summer) I don't remember seeing anyone ever walking on it. It would be too hot in the summer to walk it, and it is in such a remote location. I have seen bicyclists on the road in the summer time (my friend and I used to bike to Lido Beach). I imagine that the usual sea smell (salt water, see weed, etc.,) could somewhat mask the smell of decomposition. There is a special "salt water" smell around Atlantic beaches-- I remember it well even though I haven't been back to the beaches of my childhood for 10 years.

Yes, I live in New England and love that stale muddy seaweedy north Atlantic smell -- but it's nothing like dead people, or dead anything for that matter, except sometimes dead fish.

It just strikes me odd, that's all.

Maybe that's the reason for the burlap.

 

[amysmom]

maybe le put out this drifter bit as well as the le bit to throw off the serial killer. if the sk is comfy thinking they're not searching in his direction, le can observe him.

as for a drifter, is the guy a trust fund drifter?

If the SK is the 'john' he'd be onto to this game re: the phantom drifter=he'd be onto the fact LE is onto him..So, does LE not believe he's the SK? Or do they believe he is & are trying to force him into making a mistake? Just a few more possibilities to add to the confusion..Sorry! :crazy:

 

[shadowraiths]

More grist for the mill...

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[fashionella]

I'm from LI. A drifter who crashes at someone's house in Oak Beach during the summer is--I would bet a SURFER...there are many, many,many surfers in that area. In fact, a lot of surfers are only there for the summer then take off to a warm climate like PR. Some even go to Indo or Thailand. So, yeah, a drifter or sorts.

 

[Dee10]

But she could have run off from each house just because she was in such imminent danger and she realized the people were not going to be able to protect her.

That is what I am feeling too, perhaps as people are talking to her/calling 911 outside it seems with GC, she can see/hear or is aware of a vehicle coming down the road type of thing...so she has no time to stand there? There is no doubt in my mind, this wasn't the real thing.