NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #3

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  • #241
Reference to Shannon hiding behind a boat:

"She ran to the home of neighbor, Gustav Coletti, 75 years old, and knocked on his door yelling, “ ‘Help me, help me,” Coletti told The Wall Street Journal in December. “I told her, ‘I’m calling the police.’ I picked up the phone, I called 911 and she bolted,” he said. Coletti said the woman ran into the weeds surrounding his house, then ran back across his yard and hid by his boat. A man with an Asian appearance who Coletti did not recognize drove up in an SUV and said, “’I’m looking for a girl. We had a party and she became upset and she left,’” according to Coletti.
Coletti told the driver that he had called police and told the driver to wait with him for officers to arrive. “ ‘What did you do that for?’” Mr. Coletti said the driver replied. The woman then ran from behind the boat and the driver followed her off his property, he said."


http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/03/31/fifth-body-found-on-long-island-beach/

There's another interview about the boat, but for the life of me I can't find it and it's driving me insane! So thank you for this link because at least I know I didn't imagine it! (Plus that's an interesting article - a little more description from GC than I've seen before.) I'll have to continue my search later (too much time spent on here! arrgh!
 
  • #242
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Wouldn't you think he would have tried to hide his victims better to make it even more difficult to ID them?
Perhaps the area is one where he has easy to, is familiar with, and allows him to space his victims like he likes to - so he feels removing all personal effects will suffice.... but I looks like it hasn't...

that's the odd thing, i would think the sk(s) would. yet it may be that they want attention for their "work" (as we'll call it).

since dec when the victims were found the sk has been getting tons of attention. it's the anonymous attention he's getting, as far as we the public know we read about it, hear about it on the news. the sk is likely feeding off this attention, yet may or may not be nervous depending on how close le is to closing in.

also it could be ritualistic as in the choosing of the spots to bury the victims.
or it could simply be the sk stuck with what works. he's managed to bury 8 victims there and hadn't been caught so he just kept using the same area.
 
  • #243
When I drove down the ocean parkway this morning, I got the impression that there is still a lot of area to canvas, including the area south of the parkway and east of Oak Beach. That is a huge area and could be where SG ran off to after she ran into the weeds.

Also the area just west of Oak Beach on the south side of the Ocean Parkway where the 4x4 trucks go. They call it the Sore Thumb or the Hang Nail. That is a very expansive area that would take weeks to cover. My guess is that LE thinks its a waste of time to search there because the SK dropped off his bodies along the north side of the Ocean Parkway. But if they were really looking for SG, that would be a more logical place to look. Not Gilgo.
 
  • #244
According to an FBI Behavioral Unit study 85% of the world's serial killers are in America. At any given time 20 - 50 unidentified active serial killers are at work continually changing their targets and methods. http://www.crimecasefiles.com/forum...ers-have-antisocial-personality-disorder.html

Most serial killers have very defined geographic areas of operation. They conduct their killings within comfort zones that are often defined by an anchor point (e.g. place of residence, employment, or residence of a relative). Serial murderers will, at times, spiral their activities outside of their comfort zone, when their confidence has grown through experience or to avoid detection. Very few serial murderers travel interstate to kill. http://www.all-about-forensic-psychology.com/serial-killers.html
 
  • #245
Reference to Shannon hiding behind a boat:

"She ran to the home of neighbor, Gustav Coletti, 75 years old, and knocked on his door yelling, “ ‘Help me, help me,” Coletti told The Wall Street Journal in December. “I told her, ‘I’m calling the police.’ I picked up the phone, I called 911 and she bolted,” he said. Coletti said the woman ran into the weeds surrounding his house, then ran back across his yard and hid by his boat. A man with an Asian appearance who Coletti did not recognize drove up in an SUV and said, “’I’m looking for a girl. We had a party and she became upset and she left,’” according to Coletti.
Coletti told the driver that he had called police and told the driver to wait with him for officers to arrive. “ ‘What did you do that for?’” Mr. Coletti said the driver replied. The woman then ran from behind the boat and the driver followed her off his property, he said."



Thats funny I remmeber GC saying His Son called the Police.

in the radio interview a woman and her son also called. the son was younger looking maybe early mid 20's?

the sister mentions sg went to a woman's house while sg was still on the phone with 911 and when the woman was like hold on and then looked up sg was gone.

they claimed that she was "drugged up" so it adds to the possibility that the sk(s) drugged her. yet depending on what type of drug used, maybe instead of being unconcious shannon somehow had adrenaline pumping and was able to still run and attempt to save herself. whether it be tolerance to whatever the drug was, and adrenaline combined, i dont know.

she was screaming and running frantically banging on people's doors while still on the phone with 911.

in the 911 call they said she was intoxicated and they couldnt really understand her in a "drugged up" sense.
shannon's sister says it's extremely out of character for sg to get to that point, panic and call le.

during the call it was clear she was in fear for her life saying "he's trying to kill me" and she kept saying his name, and "get away from me" and "stop it"

also that night there was 2 other 911 calls from witnesses as well and le still arrives 45 mins later. unexcusable since all the 911 calls came from that exact area. 23 mins she disappears le arrive 45 mins later

the next day the driver came back to look and jb says he doesn't know and thats it.
le searches for her (not sure how thorough at least at jb's) and they come up with nothing.

shannon's 2 sisters went to jb's house may 8th to ask what happened with sg that night?

why was she running? why was she scared? what was going on?
jb trys to tell them she was on something, he doesn't know what it was, he told her to leave, she didn't want to. she was going to the bathroom and coming back and was just really crazy and disturbed. jb says hes gonna call the cops and the driver was tryin to get her and she was running from the driver.

shannon's one sister looked over on the floor right outside of jb's house and saw shannon's earring and picked it up.

it's very sad that le went to jb's to search and one of her sister's is the one to find the earring since le's search was obviously not a good one.

jb blew off the earring saying that maybe it was his daughters and the le thought that "oh the cops must have overlooked that" and it was one of his younger daughter's who supposedly lived there at the time.

http://herewomentalkradio.com/home/archives_details/650

26 mins in using windows media player (thank you snapdragon for the link)

jb has taken a lie detector which came out inconclusive.


all this is from the radio interview with shannon gilbert's sister. very informative and interesting.

ps- it also mentions about the dr calling their mother about his treatment for people in that lifestyle and says shannon was there at his house and stayed the night and walked out the next day fine. the doctor called a day after they reported her missing, could be a horrible sales tactic if he was expecting her to be found. now sg's family hasn't talked to the doctor before. he calls before this was all in the news and made public.

in the interview her sister says again the doctor calls and claimed later that he never called the family and said he saw shannon.
very odd.

unless, as has been mentioned it was someone who wasn't the doctor and was trying to "hint" to the family where to look for shannon.
whether malicious intent or "helpful" (in a weird way) i don't know.

the police station claims to not have her jacket, supposedly le took it. sounds sloppy.
no media wanted to run shannon's story until the 4 bodies happened. this in itself is very sad and is why prostitutes are targeted.

sorry for reposting things that have been mentioned prior. this is an excellent interview.
 
  • #246
Great post Chemcopout! Sister stated on the tape that they didn't know the Dr.
 
  • #247
Maybe someone was using his name. Maybe he doesn't want to get involved. if it's true he let SG stay at his House than she doesn't come home and is missing He's thinking No good deed goes unpunished.
 
  • #248
I would like to think that SG's mom would recognize his voice again. There should also be phone records to verify this alleged call.

Peculiar that he denied the call.

Identity theft may be part of the Sk's MO in arranging dates. If so, he is very tech saavy. AND is planning in advance to cover his 'footprint'.

I have said it before and I'll say it again........This, ahem, unusual person is a poser. A calculating individual who has too much time on his hands.

MOO

wm
 
  • #249
a lot of serial killer profiling involves things like "attempts to make the police acedemy"
jobs with power, such as le, even rent a cops, btk was a dog catcher. it's the uniform and badge, yet the profile may not fit every sk.

Actually, some of the most prolific serial killers have been drifters and people with low profile jobs who were able to wonder around from place to place, like Henry Lee Lucas, Richard Ramirez, Colombia's Pedro Lopez.
For example Long Island's own Joel Rifkin, who was an unemployed landscaper.. hardly a "powerful" job.

The point is, there are no exact profiles for SKs.. they could literally be church going city workers (like BTK) or nurses like NJ's Charles Cullen, or a guy wondering around from state to state, working odd jobs.
 
  • #250
I swear I read that her family have not even heard the 911 tapes. Is that right? I find that so strange....it seems like something they would have let the family hear to see if they thought she seemed under the influence or if there was anything she may have said that would stick out to them since they know her...

jmo

Does Chilling 911 Call Have Clue to New York Serial Killer?
Police Determine That All Four Victims Were Women

By ANDREA CANNING, EAMON McNIFF and JOSH EINIGER Dec. 15, 2010

A mother who fears her daughter is among the four skeletal bodies found along a New York beach says she has listened to a chilling 911 call her daughter made screaming for help because "he's trying to kill me."


That's posted on this link:

http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=10497.msg57119#msg57119

But the link they gave (below) is NOT for this article..I found the 2nd link on the abcnews.go.com site but that's NOT it either. :waitasec:

I had NO luck at all but I hope someone else does cos it's the ONLY source, I believe, which claims that the mom heard the 911 call..A video along with the story showing the mom making this statement would be the best proof of all.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/bodies-long-island-beach-serial-killer-loose/story?id=12399090

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/remain...h-work-serial-killer/story?id=12392727&page=1

eta..there is a video of mom & sister but they're just 'talking' about the call..It doesn't even imply to me that they heard it themselves.
 
  • #251
I would like to think that SG's mom would recognize his voice again. There should also be phone records to verify this alleged call.

Peculiar that he denied the call.

Identity theft may be part of the Sk's MO in arranging dates. If so, he is very tech saavy. AND is planning in advance to cover his 'footprint'.

I have said it before and I'll say it again........This, ahem, unusual person is a poser. A calculating individual who has too much time on his hands.

MOO

wm


yes...when someone calls you and tells you your missing daughter or sister is a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬... you are going to remember their voice....fully...

chills
 
  • #252
Good Morning,

Before I catch up reading I wanted to post something I read in an old article from December about when Shannan's sisters went to Oak Beach and found the earring. We had talked about this yesterday:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/missing-woman-s-kin-cop-response-not-quick-1.2546076?qr=1

Snippet
" . . A couple of weeks later, her sisters, Sarra and Sherre Gilbert, traveled from upstate Ellenville to Oak Beach. They spoke to neighbors, walked along the roads, and spoke with Brewer. Just before leaving, Sarra said she reached down on the ground and found an earring that had fallen from her sister's ear".


PS: Somehow I bookmarked a sticky thread from another site from Dec with all the articles copied out - a true treasure trove of info ;} I read allot of info we don't seem to have here about details and will read thru those articles during the day, posting Snippets on topics we have questioned here. xox
 
  • #253
A mother who fears her daughter is among the four skeletal bodies found along a New York beach says she has listened to a chilling 911 call her daughter made screaming for help because "he's trying to kill me."

http://news1.capitalbay.com/top-stories/popular-top-stories/does_chilling_911_call_have.html


Does Chilling 911 Call Have Clue to New York Serial Killer?
Police Determine That All Four Victims Were Women

By ANDREA CANNING, EAMON McNIFF and JOSH EINIGER Dec. 15, 2010

A mother who fears her daughter is among the four skeletal bodies found along a New York beach says she has listened to a chilling 911 call her daughter made screaming for help because "he's trying to kill me."


That's posted on this link:

http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=10497.msg57119#msg57119

But the link they gave (below) is NOT for this article..I found the 2nd link on the abcnews.go.com site but that's NOT it either. :waitasec:

I had NO luck at all but I hope someone else does cos it's the ONLY source, I believe, with claims that the mom heard the 911 call..

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/bodies-long-island-beach-serial-killer-loose/story?id=12399090

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/remain...h-work-serial-killer/story?id=12392727&page=1
 
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When I drove down the ocean parkway this morning, I got the impression that there is still a lot of area to canvas, including the area south of the parkway and east of Oak Beach. That is a huge area and could be where SG ran off to after she ran into the weeds.

Also the area just west of Oak Beach on the south side of the Ocean Parkway where the 4x4 trucks go. They call it the Sore Thumb or the Hang Nail. That is a very expansive area that would take weeks to cover. My guess is that LE thinks its a waste of time to search there because the SK dropped off his bodies along the north side of the Ocean Parkway. But if they were really looking for SG, that would be a more logical place to look. Not Gilgo.

Great point- I forgot about the Hangnail (yes been in there before but it's for offroading only) Is that even open during the winter? Also, during the summer there is no gate/chain/rope there at night from what I remember, so maybe they should.

Were there people/cars/vans in OBI? I really want to go down there and take some video for you guys but I am too scared.
 
  • #256
Great point- I forgot about the Hangnail (yes been in there before but it's for offroading only) Is that even open during the winter? Also, during the summer there is no gate/chain/rope there at night from what I remember, so maybe they should.

Were there people/cars/vans in OBI? I really want to go down there and take some video for you guys but I am too scared.

Is this area shown in this map?

http://img717.imageshack.us/i/dscn0600x.jpg/

I don't blame you for being "scared"..I don't think you'd be in any danger but you may come across a body! :eek:
 
  • #257
does she star talking about St Patrick?

Righteous, When the video box came up I kept clicking on the bar at the bottom of the box to advance it to 26 min. Then I started listening and within a min or so she introduces Shannan's sister. I think the interview itself is about 12 hour + long. The first 26 min had to do with the Japan earthquake. ;}
 
  • #258
odd choice of words for jb considering 8 women have been dumped and murdered right near his house and one is still missing. not to mention having a "party" with the missing one and his...drifter friend???!@!!

Didn't he also say something odd in another article about hoping the "true victims" find justice, or something along those lines?
 
  • #259
amysmom,

No, the area I was talking about is not show on that map. It is just east of there. There is an area that allows off-road vehicles by permit only. It is just west of Oak Beach and just east of Cedar Beach and Overlook Beach.
 
  • #260
ps- it also mentions about the dr calling their mother about his treatment for people in that lifestyle

Ew! How creepy and suspicious.
 
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