NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #3

[scandi]

The neighbour said it (GS) - I'll take a look for it.

And on Google satellite you can see a white boat on the adjacent property to the east. It is parked very close to Mr C's house.

 

[Verity]

Thank you for the report goathairjones. I am so grateful we have folks local to the area posting here. Did you happen to notice if there are any traffic cams? Thanks,

wm

I'm not goathairjones, but in the area and don't believe there are any. That said, you're asking to prove a negative, an absence of something, so it's difficult to know for a fact unless looking for them, but that kind of thing tends to be general knowledge and I never heard of it.

 

[scandi]

odd choice of words for jb considering 8 women have been dumped and murdered right near his house and one is still missing. not to mention having a "party" with the missing one and his...drifter friend???!@!!

""I really do believe she's alive," Joseph Brewer told the Daily News Friday. "What did she do? Just drop dead walking down the road?"
it's an awfully odd statement and poor choice of words coming from jb who also said that "his prayers are with the families" of the victims in other articles.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local...n_gilbert_confident_shes_s.html#ixzz1J2cla8lD

it really is a poor choice of words coming from jb. it also could explain why shannon was yelling "they're" after me, plural more than one.

the above link goes on to say jb was grilled by the cops as was the driver, yet we've not heard a peep from the driver. nor did the article state that jb's polygraph was inconclusive.

sk + accomplice? shannon said it herself to gc, "they're after me" in the video gc slips and says it then denies it after the reporter questions him and says she said "help me, help me" and that was all.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nd_man_partied_with_missing_li_hooker_LqvHfXICfjJH6uNATrrKmK

this above article, thank you all who have put up these links!

mentions cops won't say if they questioned this drifter. what i don't understand is why don't they name the drifter if they name jb? so the drifter takes off to georgia. hmm...

what is strange is the media makes no mention of this 2nd partier at jb's house. in the beginning we heard that sg ran from a "party" yet no definition of party was really given.
why has there been a media black out regarding this drifter at jb's?
if they've named jb, why not name the drifter?


so who hired shannon? first it's jb, now it's his 48yr old drifter friend. sounds fishy.
is this drifter the person le is "looking at" or is the drifter a diversion as they are still looking at jb, or both of them?

it sure makes one look really guilty when they run to georgia and tell their mother that their name might be in the paper in relation to these murders and to not worry.

"His mom told The Post yesterday that her son had contacted her after Gilbert's disappearance. She said she believes he is now somewhere in Georgia.

"He called me," she said. "He told me not to worry if his name was in the papers related to the case."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...i_hooker_LqvHfXICfjJH6uNATrrKmK#ixzz1J2fxA7on

this is one suspect drifter. i'm surprised they aren't releasing his name. what did he take off when it got to hot in the kitchen?

Hi Chemcopout, I think LE has dictated what they will allow the media to print. Invariably the media holds back info from the public as I have heard that mentioned in many cases on talk shows.

I wonder if this guy is really a drifter or else maybe there was someone else partying at the house as well. Shannon names a local doctor in her 911 call as trying to kill her. If that is true, where did she run into the Dr? Might he be a partying friend of JB and they had a 4some that night? IMO

 

[concentric]

I've heard that in beach areas that are for 4-wheel drive or off-road vehicles only, there are people who make a living pulling stuck vehicles out of the sand. Also, some people with regular vehicles just ignore the warning signs and inevitably get stuck. Just a thought about a seasonal occupation that the perp. could have.

Do these tow people use sand bags, in addition to chains?

 

[Secret77]

Shannon names a local doctor in her 911 call as trying to kill her.

How do you know this?
As far as i know, the name of the person Shannan claimed was trying to kill her has never been released.
Do you have a link?
Either way, i am sure LE already looked into it and investigated all possible leads.


Thx

 

[scandi]

a lot of serial killer profiling involves things like "attempts to make the police acedemy"
jobs with power, such as le, even rent a cops, btk was a dog catcher. it's the uniform and badge, yet the profile may not fit every sk. some sks may seek a job with "power" as its really only the power and control they want.

nowadays we have all these shows csi, dexter, and all this info via computers that if a criminal is smart, he'll look up what he needs to know. a serial killer who adapts with technology.

if the li and ac killers are one and the same ones, the mo has changed.
what is very unique is the spacing of the bodies into a row, and you have that the victims were all call girls.

the main thing being the spacing of bodies. not to mention close proximity to a beach.

now if it is the same killer(s) they have perfected the m.o.

no personal articles have been found on the girls, no clothes, jewelry. why go through attempts to make the identification process longer when they hardly hide the bodies?

if the victims were to be identified quickly, then people who know them become potential witnesses. as time passes, most all witnesses will forget details.
it seems that the killer(s) is someone who may have been seen by friends of the girls, drivers, pimps, non-acquaintances even and the sk doesn't want to take his chances of someone remembering one of the girls was seen with him.

if you go through the dotnetwork, there are so many unidentified cases, almost all are homicides that are unsolved. they can't even identify the victims, so it makes the homicide almost impossible if there aren't any witnesses.

imo, i think it's possible the killer(s) has spent time enough around these girls so that he is afraid that he'd be remembered by someone who either they knew or had seen them.

so he removes the personal affects from the victims to make it harder for le to identify them. the more time goes by the more possible witnesses forget.

it's possible it's a john who's "dated" the girls once before just to get a feel on things.

Hi again Chemcopout, I just wanted to clarify the last 4 girls found, they were disposed of in a different manner acc to LE. We don't know if they were naked and had all jewelry and belongings removed by the killer.

Now they might have all been naked with all jewelry removed like the first 4. because first, they can't yet tell if these are male or female remains. And second, LE said last week that they believe all 8 are the work of a SK so there has to be some commenality between the 2 sets of 4 to link them, right?

 

[snapdragon2]

How do you know this?
As far as i know, the name of the person Shannan claimed was trying to kill her has never been released.
Do you have a link?
Either way, i am sure LE already looked into it and investigated all possible leads.


Thx

You are correct about that. Scandi, I think you got confused?

 

[Verity]

Re the doctor conversation, I don't recall any discussion here about checking the map for signs as a way to identify possible professional offices. Also, community association owned property, beaches and parks, would have signs at the entrance.

In the Sheree radio interview, a public caller (man) says something like, "we drove down (ocean parkway) getting back from the doctors". This implies at least one doctor operating out of their house there.

For background info, lots of LI Doctors split their time between two offices, typically spending midweek days in the city (Queens/ Brooklyn for example), with days bordering weekends at a second home in a resort area. Typically, they would offer resort area appointments on a Friday and Monday, which then allows them to spend the weekend relaxing and take the whole thing as a tax write-off.

From the outside, or an aerial photo, it would be hard to tell if a house was just a home or doubling as a professional office, but one way to know would be a sign at the driveway entrance, the absence of which wouldn't indicate that it was not a professional office, but the presence of which would indicate that it was. Another clue would be a slightly larger than normal parking area, side or rear extension, although again, the absence of this would not mean it could not be a professional office.

Mail service would most likely be PO Box only, so I wouldn't expect to see any mailboxes at driveway entrances.

 

[scandi]

Reference to Shannon hiding behind a boat:

"She ran to the home of neighbor, Gustav Coletti, 75 years old, and knocked on his door yelling, “ ‘Help me, help me,” Coletti told The Wall Street Journal in December. “I told her, ‘I’m calling the police.’ I picked up the phone, I called 911 and she bolted,” he said. Coletti said the woman ran into the weeds surrounding his house, then ran back across his yard and hid by his boat. A man with an Asian appearance who Coletti did not recognize drove up in an SUV and said, “’I’m looking for a girl. We had a party and she became upset and she left,’” according to Coletti.
Coletti told the driver that he had called police and told the driver to wait with him for officers to arrive. “ ‘What did you do that for?’” Mr. Coletti said the driver replied. The woman then ran from behind the boat and the driver followed her off his property, he said."



Thats funny I remmeber GC saying His Son called the Police.

I thought I read last night that Coletti's wife also called 911. Anyone else read that ???

 

[Soulmagent]

Re the doctor conversation, I don't recall any discussion here about checking the map for signs as a way to identify possible professional offices. Also, community association owned property, beaches and parks, would have signs at the entrance.

In the Sheree radio interview, a public caller (man) says something like, "we drove down (ocean parkway) getting back from the doctors". This implies at least one doctor operating out of their house there.

For background info, lots of LI Doctors split their time between two offices, typically spending midweek days in the city (Queens/ Brooklyn for example), with days bordering weekends at a second home in a resort area. Typically, they would offer resort area appointments on a Friday and Monday, which then allows them to spend the weekend relaxing and take the whole thing as a tax write-off.


From the outside, or an aerial photo, it would be hard to tell if a house was just a home or doubling as a professional office, but one way to know would be a sign at the driveway entrance, the absence of which wouldn't indicate that it was not a professional office, but the presence of which would indicate that it was. Another clue would be a slightly larger than normal parking area, side or rear extension, although again, the absence of this would not mean it could not be a professional office.

Mail service would most likely be PO Box only, so I wouldn't expect to see any mailboxes at driveway entrances.

Also from an aerial photo , A mobile heatlh care truck might look something like a camper or RV. FWIW.

 

[scandi]

that's the odd thing, i would think the sk(s) would. yet it may be that they want attention for their "work" (as we'll call it).

since dec when the victims were found the sk has been getting tons of attention. it's the anonymous attention he's getting, as far as we the public know we read about it, hear about it on the news. the sk is likely feeding off this attention, yet may or may not be nervous depending on how close le is to closing in.

also it could be ritualistic as in the choosing of the spots to bury the victims.
or it could simply be the sk stuck with what works. he's managed to bury 8 victims there and hadn't been caught so he just kept using the same area.

Another thought here. LE said the last 4 remains found might be older than the first 4 found in Dec. LE also said they have reason to believe the LI murders are connected to the 4 AC murders.

Could it be the killer was just beginning with the AC murders so we know they were first. Next he buries the last 4 {which were found last week} and there is some carryover in the way he disposed of the remains to the AC murders. Lastly the killer buries the first 4 remains that were found in Dec and his style or method of disposal has changed.

Maybe he kills 4 girls and then stops for awhile, then another 4, etc. I wonder if he disposed of all 4 of each group at the same time? I think the group of 4 found in Dec went missing from 2007 to Nov of 2010, right? If not he would have to have someplace to store the bodies until he got 4, right?


Sorry if that is a bit hard to read ;}

 

[Verity]

Also from an aerial photo , A mobile heatlh care truck might look something like a camper or RV. FWIW.

Yes, I agree Soulmagent.

 

[Secret77]

Re the doctor conversation, I don't recall any discussion here about checking the map for signs as a way to identify possible professional offices. Also, community association owned property, beaches and parks, would have signs at the entrance.

The doctor that was named in Shannan's sisters' interview, has his only office address listed in Oak Beach, which i assume is not very far from where all the events took place. (someone said 2 miles, but i am not sure)

 

[scandi]

Maybe someone was using his name. Maybe he doesn't want to get involved. if it's true he let SG stay at his House than she doesn't come home and is missing He's thinking No good deed goes unpunished.

Hi, We can't name the doctor yet as this interview is not from MSM I don't think, and I won't even use his initials. But he does have 2 addresses listed in the gated area of Oak Beach. The reason I say this is where those 2 properties are located would be quite a jaunt for Shannan to make, especially in her state of disarray. I just can't see her making it that far and yet don't think she would mention this guy by name unless he was a threat to her.

Now it could be he pulled up along side of her and tried to pull her into his vehicle which is when she was still on the phone to 911 and they heard her say leave me alone, stop it, etc.

I further will throw it out there this doctor must have known JB, both living in that little community. I could see that doctor being at JB's house for one reason. Shannan lost both an earring and her jacket. We don't yet know where the jacket was found but know the earring was found on the ground right out in front of JB's home. I placed a link above about that. I think someone tried to grab her as she was leaving JB's house causing her earring to fall and jacket to drop. And since she named this doctor on the 911 tape I think he could have been at JB's house and it was he who grabbed at her. Then I think he got in his car and went to find her, which he probably did. IMO IMO

 

[scandi]

How do you know this?
As far as i know, the name of the person Shannan claimed was trying to kill her has never been released.
Do you have a link?
Either way, i am sure LE already looked into it and investigated all possible leads.


Thx

I listened to the interview with Shannan's sister and heard her give his name very clearly. Then I looked him up . . . . .

 

[concentric]

If a "drifter" is involved, being a "handyman" oftentimes is a chosen occupation. Maybe he worked for the property owners. Just thinking down the list of serial killers who are in that category: Cary Staynor is one, and I'm sure there are many more.

http://www.statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=60356

http://www.middletownpress.com/articles/2010/12/12/news/doc4d050ba43711f538749581.txt

etc.

This I just found interesting:

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/...long_island_handymans_special_finds_buyer.php

 

[scandi]

Doesn't Sherre Gilbert mention that the doctor's name is Dr. Hatch? I thought I heard her say that but I haven't seen it posted on here.

You're close, but we don't want to name him yet here on the forum until his name pops up in the main stream media or LE names him as a suspect or POI. You might want to delete your post, nothing personal. I'll then delete my post too You don't have enough posts for me to PM you or I would have. xox

 

[Wondergirl]

Has it ever been confirmed that all 4 of the "original" victims that were found, were discovered in burlap?

Here is an article indicating only 2 of them were.

Also, I am not sure if this is a terminology issue, but the article describes the material as "canvas", but, I have seen "burlap" mentioned in the U.S. MSM.

Forgive me if I missed this, but how is it known for sure that the killer drove to the dump locations in a car?

Isn't it possible a different method was used, such as a boat?

Detectives believe that all four women were murdered and their bodies, two of which were wrapped in canvas, dumped around Oak Beach by a killer in a car

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-victims-Craigslist-killer.html#ixzz1J3tulv00

 

[epiphany]

I listened to the interview with Shannan's sister and heard her give his name very clearly. Then I looked him up . . . . .

I'm probably confused, but I thought that Shannan's sister (in her radio interview) only names him (the doc) as being the individual who called their mother one day after the family reported Shannan missing. Does not necessarily mean it was the said individual (the doc) who actually called her mother. SG's sisters then pay a visit to the said doctor on the Island, who denied to the sisters that he ever called their mother and said such a thing.

I was not aware that Shannan's sister, in her radio interview, states the name of the individual that Shannan provided during her 911 call that morning---only that Shannan "named" in her 911 call the individual who was after her, according to Shannan's sister in this radio interview.

 

[concentric]

Wondering if the residents ever saw a truck or tow truck or construction vehicle parked on the side of the road in the early morning hours?

There are vehicles parked on the side of the road that people don't take mental note of because they are common occurrences.