NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #3

[epiphany]

Hi Verity!

I didn't realize that phone calls were also placed to Megan Waterman's sister by the SK.

I know from MSM that 6 phone calls were placed to the sister of Melissa Barthelemy. LE believes from the SK, using MB's cell phone:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/nyregion/09bodies.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

And I know from the radio interview (link below) with Shannan Gilbert's sister that the sister stated that their mother received a phone call from an individual the day after the family reported Shannan missing:

http://herewomentalkradio.com/home/archives_details/664

I'd like to read the article about M Waterman's sister!

 

[scandi]

Aha! :lightbulb: moment. Thank you! That makes sense if we dismiss the report that he didn't deny making the call as misreporting, which is more possible that any other explanation of cell phone to Mom. This fits with the way SK played with Megan Waterman's sister. It would be good to know the location where that call came from, whether similar.



Quite a few possibilities there I think;
He didn't, it's a coincidence.
He was there when she made the 911 call.
He was listening to the call come in through police scanner.
He's LE.

It's beginning to feel like a ring where one of them went rogue and started killing - drugs, prostitution, movies, payoffs. He may have acted alone, but I sense a lot of shady stuff going on in the background in that area.

Thanks for that excellent post Verity. The only thing I wonder now is why did Shannan pull that specific dr's name out of her head, "saying "he's trying to kill me" and she kept saying his name, and "get away from me" and "stop it", {as stated by her sister in the interview}?

 

[shadowraiths]

I could swear I read a quote from a link here saying the mother had heard the whole 911 tape.

You did.

"We all heard the last 911 call," said Gilbert's mother, Mari Gilbert. "[Shannan] was screaming the person's name [and saying], 'He is trying to kill me!' She was saying, 'Help me! Help me! Help me!' She was trying to escape. We know who it is."​

Full article: click here

 

[scandi]

In re: the Doctor. Imo, interpretations will be different. So, fwiw, here is the transcript from that section of the podcast: http://herewomentalkradio.com/home/archives_details/650

Sister: We found, um, a Dr. [redacted] who actually had called my mom. um. The day after she was reported missing. And basically told her, um, a fabricated story. Cuz when we had confronted him about it he denied it. But he told my mom that he saw shannan and he basically uh, er, ran um, a little like uh treatment place, and he saw shannan, took her in, and then in the morning, you know, he let her go. And then the driver came to pick her up. So when we confronted him ...

Woman: So let me just reframe this because... so, your sister runs missing from 1st man's house. There's 3 911 calls, police respond but never find her. And this man calls your mom and says I have a shelter or treatment center for people like this that are in this lifestyle and she stayed here and then she just walked off the next day, and she's fine.

Sister: Yeah. That's what he said. And um. We tried to get more information. And he just. I dunno. He just. He was lying.

Woman: And that's before you knew she was missing. Cuz he calls right away.

Sister: He called. Um. He called. Like I think a day after we reported her missing.

Woman: So she's not in the news. So she's not on TV. You know, it's not a public story yet.

Sister: Correct. It hadn't actually been a public story until December. Which was almost seven months when she went missing. We tried calling news papers. And um, you know, news reporters and everything. And nobody wanted to display until the four bodies came up and [garbled].

Woman: So let me get back to him just a minute. So, he claims she spent the night at his house. Now this is a gated community. All residental. There's no businesses or anything. It's all homes. And then he finds your mother. Now you guys never had contact with this man before he called you. Is that correct?

Sister: Yes. We never had contact with him.

Woman: So then he claims later that he didn't call you.

Sister: Yes. He says that he doesn't recall saying that to my sister. And my sister looks at him and says, you called my mother and said you saw her. And says oh, I don't recall saying that. I don't remember saying that. If I said that I would remember that. And it was just a little...

Woman: So if he didn't call you how would you know even know that he existed? How would you know have know to have gone there to look for her?

Sister: Yeah. I don't know if he was saying he didn't call her, in general. Or he was saying that he didn't say that. I think he was trying to say he never said that. But I was right there with my mom on the phone when she was speaking with him.​

ETA ~ I listened and tried to transcribe, so pls feel free to correct any/all errors.

Thanks so much for that Shadowraiths, I see I got something wrong :banghead:, that Shannan's sister was right there with her mom when she was speaking with this so-said Dr, and not while the mom was listening to the 911 call.

It is so easy to get things a bit mixed up. So much info so fast.

 

[Verity]

Hi Verity!

I didn't realize that phone calls were also placed to Megan Waterman's sister by the SK.

I know from MSM that 6 phone calls were placed to the sister of Melissa Barthelemy. LE believes from the SK, using MB's cell phone:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/nyregion/09bodies.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

And I know from the radio interview (link below) with Shannan Gilbert's sister that the sister stated that their mother received a phone call from an individual the day after the family reported Shannan missing:

http://herewomentalkradio.com/home/archives_details/664

I'd like to read the article about M Waterman's sister!

Hi epiphany!

BBM: Thanks for correction, I probably got those two mixed up.

 

[scandi]

You did.

"We all heard the last 911 call," said Gilbert's mother, Mari Gilbert. "[Shannan] was screaming the person's name [and saying], 'He is trying to kill me!' She was saying, 'Help me! Help me! Help me!' She was trying to escape. We know who it is."​

Full article: click here

Blessings upon you for that. :seeya: I bookmarked the link. Ya Ya

 

[Verity]

In re: the Doctor. Imo, interpretations will be different. So, fwiw, here is the transcript from that section of the podcast: http://herewomentalkradio.com/home/archives_details/650

Sister: We found, um, a Dr. [redacted] who actually had called my mom. um. The day after she was reported missing. And basically told her, um, a fabricated story. Cuz when we had confronted him about it he denied it. But he told my mom that he saw shannan and he basically uh, er, ran um, a little like uh treatment place, and he saw shannan, took her in, and then in the morning, you know, he let her go. And then the driver came to pick her up. So when we confronted him ...

Woman: So let me just reframe this because... so, your sister runs missing from 1st man's house. There's 3 911 calls, police respond but never find her. And this man calls your mom and says I have a shelter or treatment center for people like this that are in this lifestyle and she stayed here and then she just walked off the next day, and she's fine.

Sister: Yeah. That's what he said. And um. We tried to get more information. And he just. I dunno. He just. He was lying.

Woman: And that's before you knew she was missing. Cuz he calls right away.

Sister: He called. Um. He called. Like I think a day after we reported her missing.

Woman: So she's not in the news. So she's not on TV. You know, it's not a public story yet.

Sister: Correct. It hadn't actually been a public story until December. Which was almost seven months when she went missing. We tried calling news papers. And um, you know, news reporters and everything. And nobody wanted to display until the four bodies came up and [garbled].

Woman: So let me get back to him just a minute. So, he claims she spent the night at his house. Now this is a gated community. All residental. There's no businesses or anything. It's all homes. And then he finds your mother. Now you guys never had contact with this man before he called you. Is that correct?

Sister: Yes. We never had contact with him.

Woman: So then he claims later that he didn't call you.

Sister: Yes. He says that he doesn't recall saying that to my sister. And my sister looks at him and says, you called my mother and said you saw her. And says oh, I don't recall saying that. I don't remember saying that. If I said that I would remember that. And it was just a little...

Woman: So if he didn't call you how would you know even know that he existed? How would you know have know to have gone there to look for her?

Sister: Yeah. I don't know if he was saying he didn't call her, in general. Or he was saying that he didn't say that. I think he was trying to say he never said that. But I was right there with my mom on the phone when she was speaking with him.​

ETA ~ I listened and tried to transcribe, so pls feel free to correct any/all errors.

Hi shadowraiths, thanks for this excellent post and taking time to transcribe!

BBM: This is a false assumption on the part of the interviewer, and SG's sister certainly wouldn't know about Babylon Town Code. It's absolutely not true that a business cannot be run from a home in a residential areas on LI, it's very common, as stated in an earlier post of mine. I don't know specific code for Babylon township, but usually it's fine to have up to 500 sq.ft of a home dedicated to home based business in residential area without any kind of variance being needed. And it's always possible for a zoning variance to be approved even if it's not allowed. So this is 100% a false assumption IMHO.

 

[scandi]

I think we have made some great progress today. Doesn't it seem like all the posters on the NY-LI threads work so well together? Ya Ya, although I seldom see negative posts at WS.

Yesterday we had several new posters come in that are local I believe. I didn't get to welcome them all but am glad y'all found us and hope to see you posting here on a regular basis.

:wagon:

 

[epiphany]

You did.

"We all heard the last 911 call," said Gilbert's mother, Mari Gilbert. "[Shannan] was screaming the person's name [and saying], 'He is trying to kill me!' She was saying, 'Help me! Help me! Help me!' She was trying to escape. We know who it is."​

Full article: click here

From the same link, it appears to me that in this early article that SG knew the name of her client, the john---JB! Also, in this early article, which does not name the john (JB), they are expecting one of the 4 bodies found to be SG's:

They include Shannan Gilbert, 24, who placed a 911 call the day she disappeared, telling an emergency operator that she feared for her life and was trying to get away from a client.

Her family said police know the man's name -- and that he lives near the stretch of Ocean Parkway in Gilgo Beach where the body believed to be Gilbert's, and three others, were found in the past two days.

"We all heard the last 911 call," said Gilbert's mother, Mari Gilbert. "[Shannan] was screaming the person's name [and saying], 'He is trying to kill me!' She was saying, 'Help me! Help me! Help me!' She was trying to escape. We know who it is."

IMO, We know who it is---meaning, the client-JB.

 

[Verity]

Thanks for that excellent post Verity. The only thing I wonder now is why did Shannan pull that specific dr's name out of her head, "saying "he's trying to kill me" and she kept saying his name, and "get away from me" and "stop it", {as stated by her sister in the interview}?

Shannon knew someone by that name. Whether or not it was the real Dr. Such and Such or an imposter they introduced to her by that name is a different matter. I don't trust anyone from this Gilgo Beach community right now, sorry if you're part of it, nothing personal. They all know each other through the Community Association which has meetings to discuss common charges.

 

[OldSteve]

Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but burlap bags are also used for coffee..

Also, articles saying the SR might be a cop or in LE because he's knows investigative ways - I don't buy that. If he was so smart, the victims wouldn't have been found.

 

[scandi]

From the Associated Press re other aspects of the investigation:

Although it appears daunting, one Suffolk County investigator, who declined to be identified because of the ongoing investigation, told The Associated Press that detectives are taking a methodical approach to finding a suspect. They are poring over credit card records of the victims to track their movements and determine whether they spent money in the area. They are also checking cell phone calls to map the women's movements.

Computer records of the women's communications and their appointment records have also been reviewed, he said.

Others are looking at a spectrum of public documents, including records about traffic stops and tickets that may have been issued on Ocean Parkway or nearby at the time...

They also are reviewing more mundane paperwork, like applications for clamming licenses, in case the killer may have dumped the bodies onto the narrow barrier island from the Great South Bay.

SNIPPED
http://www2.wrbl.com/news/2011/apr/09/search-for-possible-serial-killer-presses-on-in-ar-1694448/

Thanks Epiphany, What a 'keeper' of an article that is ! I'm going to try and find a map for that narrow barrier island from the Great South Bay.


You might say I'm in a bit of heaven right now. B B Qu'ed spareribs in the oven, the PBR bull riding on the tube and WS up on my 'puter. :great:

 

[scandi]

Shannon knew someone by that name. Whether or not it was the real Dr. Such and Such or an imposter they introduced to her by that name is a different matter. I don't trust anyone from this Gilgo Beach community right now, sorry if you're part of it, nothing personal. They all know each other through the Community Association which has meetings to discuss common charges.

No, I'm in Portland Oregon and am now just getting acquainted with that part of NY and NJ. I agree there might be another interpretation on thoughts about the man she named. Nothing is set in ink yet ;}

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but burlap bags are also used for coffee..

Also, articles saying the SR might be a cop or in LE because he's knows investigative ways - I don't buy that. If he was so smart, the victims wouldn't have been found.

Seems to me that he wanted them to be found. It's almost as if he hid them out in the open. And then by contacting and taunting the sister of one of the victims it appears that he wants people to know that he is out there.

If indeed he is LE or former LE, perhaps he was fired at one point and wants to show what a bunch of bumbling idiots are in LE:

"Look at this! I've been killing for years and they are just concluding that there is a serial killer? I even taunted the sister and they are just now discussing it in the media? They'll never catch me. I know all of their tricks. I know how not to leave fingerprints electronic or otherwise. I'm going to up the ante on these fools. I'll leave a message or something and they still won't be able to determine who it is. I was a better investigator than all of them. What fools!"

 

[Wondergirl]

~ a couple of thoughts.
Just because we have heard Dr. does not necessarily mean MEDICAL Dr. many college professors have a PhD, hence they attain the name Dr. so n so. Even some of the academic advisors in college are Dr.s (not meaning any "college" has anything to do with this SK)
~ maybe he is not a "drifter" in the true sense of the word. Perhaps his job requires him to travel.
~ if he were in the military he could be National Guard or in the Reserves (one weekend a month - two weeks a year...)
~ could he be teaching or heading military exercises?
~ he could have some type of security clearance & if he is going from place to place on military planes his whereabouts would be more difficult to trace than commercial flights.
~ he could be in GA? I DON'T WANT HIM HERE! but there is a Guard training facility near me. They do exercises with teens interested in joining as well as with enlisted men.
~ so what about LI and AC? I don't mean BOOTCAMP but are there any smaller military facilities nearby? Those places have burlap all over for drills...
MOO

The answer to the LE, Military, Government and Security possibility for this perp is yes, yes and yes.

If anyone here followed the recent case in Canada of disgraced former Colonel Russell Williams, they will fully understand the implications of someone in a very high powered position, in top operating capacity, who kept a detailed anaylsis, documentation of every crime he committed in the last 4 years, incuding 88 charges for fetish break-ins, sexual assaults and at least 2 murders.

This was a Colonel who sexually assaulted a woman, then 3 hours later met with all the police in a city near the Military Base he commanded.

This was a Colonel who murdered a woman under his command, then had a meeting with the highest level officials from many countries for the G20 Summit.

This was a Colonel who sexually assaulted and murdered a woman, then flew some military personnel to California for the weekend after being up for 2 days.

Highly meticulous, analytical, bounced all over the place, and tried to deceive LE on every level, even DIRECTING THE INVESTIGATION away from himself.

So, yes, it is possible for this SK to be any of the above.

If you don't think the LI SK could be in a highly functioning level of LE operations, then you might want to google RW.

(P.S> 48 Hours has a special tonight on RW, showing an analysis of the Police Interrogation that brought forth a confession by an SOB who formerly flew heads of state including Queen Elizbeth II).

 

[Dee10]

This is snip from an old article in Dec. but I thought it was interesting:

"The Prosecutor said, however, that his office is still investigating the deaths of the four women in 2006. According to his office, the women were prostitutes and their bodies were found in a marsh area off a New Jersey road in West Atlantic City, an eery similarity between that and the current case in New York."

The Atlantic City victims were also all discovered wearing no shoes, and had died as a result of stangulation. So far the police investigating the Long Island bodies have been unable to determine how they died or who they are.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/bodies-long-island-beach-serial-killer-loose/story?id=12399090

 

[epiphany]

Seems to me that he wanted them to be found. It's almost as if he hid them out in the open. And then by contacting and taunting the sister of one of the victims it appears that he wants people to know that he is out there.

If indeed he is LE or former LE, perhaps he was fired at one point and wants to show what a bunch of bumbling idiots are in LE:

"Look at this! I've been killing for years and they are just concluding that there is a serial killer? I even taunted the sister and they are just now discussing it in the media? They'll never catch me. I know all of their tricks. I know how not to leave fingerprints electronic or otherwise. I'm going to up the ante on these fools. I'll leave a message or something and they still won't be able to determine who it is. I was a better investigator than all of them. What fools!"

I'm hoping the burlap sacks prove to be one of his major errors.

 

[OldSteve]

Seems to me that he wanted them to be found. It's almost as if he hid them out in the open. And then by contacting and taunting the sister of one of the victims it appears that he wants people to know that he is out there.

If indeed he is LE or former LE, perhaps he was fired at one point and wants to show what a bunch of bumbling idiots are in LE:

"Look at this! I've been killing for years and they are just concluding that there is a serial killer? I even taunted the sister and they are just now discussing it in the media? They'll never catch me. I know all of their tricks. I know how not to leave fingerprints electronic or otherwise. I'm going to up the ante on these fools. I'll leave a message or something and they still won't be able to determine who it is. I was a better investigator than all of them. What fools!"

It sure does seem like that - but then he would know it's likely only a matter of time till he's caught, as any SK with this much media attention is likely to be caught...

 

[Dee10]

The answer to the LE, Military, Government and Security possibility for this perp is yes, yes and yes.

If anyone here followed the recent case in Canada of disgraced former Colonel Russell Williams, they will fully understand the implications of someone in a very high powered position, in top operating capacity, who kept a detailed anaylsis, documentation of every crime he committed in the last 4 years, incuding 88 charges for fetish break-ins, sexual assaults and at least 2 murders.

This was a Colonel who sexually assaulted a woman, then 3 hours later met with all the police in a city near the Military Base he commanded.

This was a Colonel who murdered a woman under his command, then had a meeting with the highest level officials from many countries for the G20 Summit.

This was a Colonel who sexually assaulted and murdered a woman, then flew some military personnel to California for the weekend after being up for 2 days.

Highly meticulous, analytical, bounced all over the place, and tried to deceive LE on every level, even DIRECTING THE INVESTIGATION away from himself.

So, yes, it is possible for this SK to be any of the above.

If you don't think the LI SK could be in a highly functioning level of LE operations, then you might want to google RW.

(P.S> 48 Hours has a special tonight on RW, showing an analysis of the Police Interrogation that brought forth a confession by an SOB who formerly flew heads of state including Queen Elizbeth II).

That sure was a fascinating and chilling case. Meticulous is right, he even took the sheets in cases where he needed to. That was a case of "you couldn't write this" story, nobody would believe it.

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

It sure does seem like that - but then he would know it's only a matter of time till he's caught, as any SK with this much media attention always does... I guess they all figure they will be the first not to get caught...

There have been sk's who have never been caught, i.e., Zodiac.