NY-Long Island-4 bodies on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #2

[Reannan]

Well, isn't this interesting....

"The Post reported today that Kim Raffo, one of the victims of a suspected Atlantic City serial killer, spent five weeks on Long Island with husband Hugh Auslander shortly before she vanished."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/murders_investigating_possible_link_C7eD0txt9coaCDaitkhHcL

 

[Chanler]

Well, isn't this interesting....

"The Post reported today that Kim Raffo, one of the victims of a suspected Atlantic City serial killer, spent five weeks on Long Island with husband Hugh Auslander shortly before she vanished."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/murders_investigating_possible_link_C7eD0txt9coaCDaitkhHcL

Hi, Reannan, this shows closer proximity:

http://www.examiner.com/city-hall-i...ity-prostitute-spent-5-weeks-near-gilgo-beach

"One of four Atlantic City murder victims and her estranged husband stayed near Gilgo Beach, Long Island just days before she was murdered and dumped in Atlantic City."

[The estranged husband did, however, say that she was returning to Atlantic City, which suggests that she might have been murdered as well as buried there.]

 

[mahmoo]

"One of four Atlantic City murder victims and her estranged husband stayed near Gilgo Beach, Long Island just days before she was murdered and dumped in Atlantic City."

WOW!!! Thanks for the links Chanler & Reannan.

I was pretty well already convinced the AC murders and the LI murders were linked but this "bombshell" cinches it for me. Waaaaaaaay too much of a coincidence.

There are definitely some variances between the cases but.....there are also similarities and, as I mentioned last evening, one of the biggest similarities is this killer's seeming compulsion to dispose of the bodies in precise, measured distances from each other.

I'm not that up to speed on the AC murders but did read somewhere that those 4 victims did not use johns.......that seems to be the case so far with the identified LI victims as well. Does anyone know if that's accurate? That would be another commonality between all the victims.

 

[MrsG728]

Wow, just wow. I never thought that these 2 cases were linked. Now I DO

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Wow, just wow. I never thought that these 2 cases were linked. Now I DO

Was the AC serial killer ever caught?

 

[minazoe]

hmmmm....kinda like boom goes the dynamite.....

how or what is the connection?...who is this guy?

wonder if there are any clubs out there near Oak Beach? Maybe there is some guy out there everyone knows? I mean if he went thru this many call girls...somebody has to know him , right? I can't buy that every girl is a known call girl, and yet none of them has a pimp or driver or person that knows who their last trick was...where they last went..where phones last pinged...who they last worked for ...

it almost makes me think it can't be a john....

I wonder if this Atlantic city victim was working when she was in LI with her husband/bf?

who did they meet there? who did they know there? what did they do?

 

[minazoe]

something keeps steering me towards a drug connection...

 

[mahmoo]

Was the AC serial killer ever caught?

No.....still unsolved.

I think we kind of touched on this last night but probably worth mentioning again.....the AC victims were in a group of four and the first victims found in LI off Ocean Pkwy were in basically a group of four although spaced at a greater distance than the AC group. So far, we only have the location of one of the most recent LI victims found. LE hasn't released the location of the other three.

 

[Claudette]

No.....still unsolved.

I think we kind of touched on this last night but probably worth mentioning again.....the AC victims were in a group of four and the first victims found in LI off Ocean Pkwy were in basically a group of four although spaced at a greater distance than the AC group. So far, we only have the location of one of the most recent LI victims found. LE hasn't released the location of the other three.

IMO they haven't released the location of the other three because they were by the one found on its own and that meticulous precision would just freak people out even more. So let's pretend that is the case (most likely) and that the AC 4 are also his. Clearly the guy likes things to be even (all groups of 4, all the same distance apart) I wonder if there is one more group of 4. 4 groups of 4.

ETA if LE thinks the above is true, I would look a mile up and down the beach from the 4 that were found in AC. 2 sets of 4 in AC, 2 sets of 4 in LI.

Only thing that doesn't make sense is that Shannan wouldn't fit into the equation, and I believe 100% she is a victim of the same guy.

 

[Chanler]

WOW!!! Thanks for the links Chanler & Reannan.

I was pretty well already convinced the AC murders and the LI murders were linked but this "bombshell" cinches it for me. Waaaaaaaay too much of a coincidence.

There are definitely some variances between the cases but.....there are also similarities and, as I mentioned last evening, one of the biggest similarities is this killer's seeming compulsion to dispose of the bodies in precise, measured distances from each other.

I'm not that up to speed on the AC murders but did read somewhere that those 4 victims did not use johns.......that seems to be the case so far with the identified LI victims as well. Does anyone know if that's accurate? That would be another commonality between all the victims.

Hi, Mahmoo; I tend towards thinking that there is a connection, but there is some distance between Atlantic City and that part of Long Island. And people have said that the L.I. women were more uniformly attractive than the New Jersey victims. Also, the Atlantic City were simply tossed in a watery ditch:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15825716/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

As for the question about pimps (which I think is what you meant), I haven't read anything that any of the Long Island victims had them. The digital age has helped these poor women to become independent contractors.

To me, one of the critical questions is whether the Long Island women made all their connections via websites. Did they also work the streets or bars? Of course, repeat customers would only need a cell phone number for a hook-up.

One of the problems with prostitute murders (and there are several) is that these women don't have the ordered lives that most of us have. Before the police swept away the streetwalkers on my block, I would sometimes hear the women themselves or, in at least one instance, a relative inquiring about where some one was. Even the exact date of their disappearance is often left in question. I'm certain that many of the troubled young woman I passed on my way home are now dead from drugs or misdeeds.

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

I was wondering when some sort of link would be established between the LI and AC cases...

 

[Verity]

Wow, this all fits with the seasonal worker theory.....

Hi, Reannan, this shows closer proximity:

http://www.examiner.com/city-hall-i...ity-prostitute-spent-5-weeks-near-gilgo-beach

"One of four Atlantic City murder victims and her estranged husband stayed near Gilgo Beach, Long Island just days before she was murdered and dumped in Atlantic City."

[The estranged husband did, however, say that she was returning to Atlantic City, which suggests that she might have been murdered as well as buried there.]

Timeline: Found in November 2006, had been dead approx. 3 days. Husband had picked her up in AC in October and they stayed in LI for 5 weeks. Do we have more detailed info on these dates? This might help identify where they stayed.

Location of stay: Rented a house in Gilgo Beach for 5 weeks? I doubt it would be the campsite in November - too cold. There aren't any hotels "near Gilgo Beach", so where?

 

[snapdragon2]

Hi! I'm new, and I signed up so I could contribute to this thread because this case is driving me insane! I live in N.Y. and also have spent a lot of time on Fire Island. I'm not familiar with the Gilgo Beach area but I do know Fire Island. One thing I wanted to say is in response to a few posts I read speculating about clubs, prostitution, etc. with regard to Fire Island. Fire Island is comprised of 11 or so communities. Very few people live there year round. In the summer, there are a lot of families and some of the communities have a lot of share houses which are largely 20 somethings but there are also share houses with older people - 30's, 40's and 50's. Some of the communities have a lot of partying, but many are very quiet and don't even have a store, never mind a bar or restaurant. In short, the focus is on going to the beach - it's very laid back, there are no cars, and it's not in the least hoity-toity (although there are some very expensive houses in some communities.) It's NOT at all a place where call girls would be hanging out and it's pretty unlikely anyone would would ask one to go out there. The few bars or clubs that are there are very casual - really just local watering holes, nothing upscale in the least.
The only vehicles that are allowed out there are ones that get special permits e.g. people who live there year round (very few people by the way) construction vehicles. Of course there are the police vehicles as well. They have to go along the beach for the most part.
You have to take a ferry to get there, although someone with a permit could drive in from the Lighthouse area.
In some areas and at certain times there is practically no-one on the beach, which is amazing but also sometimes freaks me out a bit. It is a bit desolate out there at certain times.
Anyhow, that's probably more info. than anyone needs or cares about, but I just wanted to give people a more clear idea of what it's like! It's not the Hamptons, or even the Jersey Shore!

 

[scandi]

Do we know that Megan was murdered by a customer?

Hi Stillwater, I had a thought in the middle of the night that we don't know if any of these 8 gals were connected to the John JB. And yet he is mentioned as having LE looking him over real good, storming his house, digging around his other house on Feb 1st, etc. And since the other bodies were found he has been possibly thought of as the SK.

Since the only things connecting the 8 girls and Shannan is Craigs List, I think LE is focusing on JB for her going missing and not the others. They say Shannan was bigger than the other girls as was one of the 8 - I think the girl from Maine. So size is not a constant IMO. And I don't think they necessarily looked alike - both blonde and brunette's.

Last night watching a crime show, it was a scenario with the victims being similar in several respects. The lead investigator made the comment, "He's going after a specific victim". And he explained the unsub was killing someone over and over again from his past - someone who his victims resembled. That was on the new Criminal Minds spin-off.

xox

 

[Aleph]

Hi, Mahmoo; I tend towards thinking that there is a connection, but there is some distance between Atlantic City and that part of Long Island. And people have said that the L.I. women were more uniformly attractive than the New Jersey victims. Also, the Atlantic City were simply tossed in a watery ditch:

But if these cases are indeed connected (which I think they are), the killer did AC before LI.

He was just starting out then. It is common for SKs to refine their MO. His main need is to kill women (and maybe arrange their corpses). Getting attractive, petite (I think a fetish for small feet may also be happening) women to murder and display is a bonus, once he discovered Craigslist. But the main need is murder.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Hi! I'm new, and I signed up so I could contribute to this thread because this case is driving me insane! I live in N.Y. and also have spent a lot of time on Fire Island. I'm not familiar with the Gilgo Beach area but I do know Fire Island. One thing I wanted to say is in response to a few posts I read speculating about clubs, prostitution, etc. with regard to Fire Island. Fire Island is comprised of 11 or so communities. Very few people live there year round. In the summer, there are a lot of families and some of the communities have a lot of share houses which are largely 20 somethings but there are also share houses with older people - 30's, 40's and 50's. Some of the communities have a lot of partying, but many are very quiet and don't even have a store, never mind a bar or restaurant. In short, the focus is on going to the beach - it's very laid back, there are no cars, and it's not in the least hoity-toity (although there are some very expensive houses in some communities.) It's NOT at all a place where call girls would be hanging out and it's pretty unlikely anyone would would ask one to go out there. The few bars or clubs that are there are very casual - really just local watering holes, nothing upscale in the least.
The only vehicles that are allowed out there are ones that get special permits e.g. people who live there year round (very few people by the way) construction vehicles. Of course there are the police vehicles as well. They have to go along the beach for the most part.
You have to take a ferry to get there, although someone with a permit could drive in from the Lighthouse area.
In some areas and at certain times there is practically no-one on the beach, which is amazing but also sometimes freaks me out a bit. It is a bit desolate out there at certain times.
Anyhow, that's probably more info. than anyone needs or cares about, but I just wanted to give people a more clear idea of what it's like! It's not the Hamptons, or even the Jersey Shore!

Snapdragon2, Welcome!!! I am glad you joined us!!!


:welcome4:

wm

 

[svpernin]

No.....still unsolved.

I think we kind of touched on this last night but probably worth mentioning again.....the AC victims were in a group of four and the first victims found in LI off Ocean Pkwy were in basically a group of four although spaced at a greater distance than the AC group. So far, we only have the location of one of the most recent LI victims found. LE hasn't released the location of the other three.

Sorry to post this again but I think it's important as, if true, it would squash the groups-of-four theories going around on here. Does anyone have access to Newsday.com? They published a map in the paper today with the locations of all 8 bodies and they were NOT in two groups of four, according to them. It was the first group of four, one close to that, and three further down the road. If no one has access, I can get onto Newsday.com from work tomorrow and will try to post the map on here. I think you can get on their site if you have Cablevision as your ISP. Thanks in advance.

ETA: Just looked at the paper again, I was wrong... it more or less goes 5 bodies.... another a mile away.... then two more a mile away from that. Sorry, my memory failed me. I wish I had a scanner...

 

[Victor]

Woah this IS a bombshell! I would be highly suspicious of the murdered Ms. Raffo's ex-husband, Auslander. He had good reason to be enraged with her (she had 2 kids with him and abandoned him for another man, cocaine and prostitution). Plus he claims that during the Atlantic City killings he was aimlessly driving around "looking for work".

Raffo could have been his first killing near that Gilgo Beach where they both stayed for 5 weeks. That time may have triggered his spree and memories of the area may have been the reason he later dumped all those other murdered prostitutes there!

I'd bring this guy in for another round of questioning, pronto.

http://www.examiner.com/city-hall-i...ity-prostitute-spent-5-weeks-near-gilgo-beach


"Raffo and Auslander knew Long Island. They met each other as teens in Brooklyn, according to Auslander during his 2007 interviews with the media on the anniversary of Raffo’s murder.

During the time of the Long Island and Atlantic City murders Auslander was traveling up and down the east coast looking for work as a carpenter, he said.

Auslander gave interviews to the media a year after her murder. He told the media about their Long Island visit.

Auslander said that during 2005 his marriage to Raffo became unglued due to her having an affair with a cooking school classmate and using drugs. The couple lived in Florida. Despite having two children with Auslander, Raffo and her boyfriend moved to Atlantic City where she eventually took up prostitution to pay for her cocaine addiction, according to Auslander.

Auslander said he heard Raffo was in trouble and he picked her up in Atlantic City in Oct. 2006 and traveled to Long Island where they stayed for five weeks, he said.

According to Auslander, Raffo said she had some “unfinished business” in Atlantic City. They separated and planned to meet again the following week.

Raffo did not make that meeting."

 

[svpernin]

If JB truly has nothing to do with this, he is the unluckiest guy on LI. Just sayin'.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Sorry to post this again but I think it's important as, if true, it would squash the groups-of-four theories going around on here. Does anyone have access to Newsday.com? They published a map in the paper today with the locations of all 8 bodies and they were NOT in two groups of four, according to them. It was the first group of four, one close to that, and three further down the road. If no one has access, I can get onto Newsday.com from work tomorrow and will try to post the map on here. I think you can get on their site if you have Cablevision as your ISP. Thanks in advance.

Thank you svpernin. I would LOVE to see that map!!!

We don't have many facts and the media reports have been so conflicting. Pure madness.....:crazy:

wm