NY-Long Island-4 bodies on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #2

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  • #761
Upon searching for information ,local happening rumors etc.. I found the thread to Mandy jenkins murder. I noticed arrest where made in that case in november and it made me wonder if the investigation by LE in that case which would have intersected SG case as MJ went missing in aug 10 but was found oct 2010.

Mandy Jenkins also made a phone call about being aware of being in danger and refered to Bayshore. Mandy's boyfriend and two of his friends have been arrested in that case, I dont think it is related but when reading over her case and seeing the local rumors it has me thinking that Mandy's investigation might have lead to tips about a SK as we know dec is when they found the bodies. The suspects in Mandy case has ties to a DA's office some how according to rumor.

Of course they are looking for Shannon as well but those searches should have taken place in May or June or July and definitely by the time Mandy went missing or maybe very probably the same week Mandy went missing. IMO.

Unfortunately, it's not an uncommon way to die for a girl or woman who earns her living this way.

I hadn't heard about Mandy Jenkins before, though. Do you have a pointer?
 
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I apologize if this has already been questioned, since I have not read all of the posts:

Are there any work crews who plow sand on the beaches in the area?
 
  • #764
Oak Beach is a small community located on the eastern end of Jones Beach Island, a barrier island between the Atlantic Ocean and the Great South Bay of Long Island. The community is part of the Town of Babylon in Suffolk County, New York. The eastern part, the Oak Island Beach Association, is gated whereas the western part is not. The census considers it part of Gilgo-Oak Beach-Captree, New York.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Beach,_New_York
 
  • #765
From a bit of research I have done today, I found out that burlap bags may be used as sand bags when a more eco-friendly material is needed to construct or create berms, etc.
 
  • #766
Oak Beach is a small community located on the eastern end of Jones Beach Island, a barrier island between the Atlantic Ocean and the Great South Bay of Long Island. The community is part of the Town of Babylon in Suffolk County, New York. The eastern part, the Oak Island Beach Association, is gated whereas the western part is not. The census considers it part of Gilgo-Oak Beach-Captree, New York.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Beach,_New_York

At last, they are searching properties within the gated community. We have been suggesting they do this since December. I wonder if this new search is based on a lead, or just common sense.
 
  • #767
I wish we knew where each victim was at the time they dissapeared...they aren't native to the area... so either there is john out there that they all have in common ...or there is a place there or near that they all have in common...

did they all pass through that gatehouse? does the S guard know when a hooker comes through? did Joe know any of the other girls? Maybe it's a gang of middle aged hooker getters...maybe call girls are common...maybe someone doesn't want them in his gated community?

Respectfully, BBM
We don't know, but LE may:

Phone records have placed at least two of the women at budget hotels on Long Island, just before they disappeared.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/Police+comb+beach+more+bodies/4565632/story.html
 
  • #768
From nyc's link:
bbm

...the police turned up a fifth set of remains last Tuesday near Oak Beach, about a mile east of where the first four bodies were found.

On Monday, a further three sets of human remains were discovered in thick brush off the north side of Ocean Parkway, between Gilgo Beach and Oak Beach.

SNIPPED; BBM
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/Police+comb+beach+more+bodies/4565632/story.html

If ShannonG was his victim, he had probably already moved his grave grounds.
 
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What is needed is a Fact sheet that is updated if new facts come out. Not a NG rumor mill. That's the only way proper leads can be thought out. If someone wants to bring in a Physic based on the Facts, great more power to ya. It would be nice if we new what was said on the 911 call from Shannon.
I can understand LE wanting to keep all pertinent information to themselves, is this normal when there are no Suspects?
Good morning.

I despise the NG rumor mill. NG comes on night after night with unsubstantiated reports that she passes off as fact. She has been wrong on this case almost every time she opens her mouth about it.

She had some quack on the other night stating that all that's left of these 8 girls is bones, because the sk is a Hannibal Lecter type who "renders their bodies in a bathtub" and flushes everything down the drain. Then he packs up the bones and takes them out to Oak Beach Island!!!

How absurd.
 
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I despise the NG rumor mill. NG comes on night after night with unsubstantiated reports that she passes off as fact. She has been wrong on this case almost every time she opens her mouth about it.

She had some quack on the other night stating that all that's left of these 8 girls is bones, because the sk is a Hannibal Lecter type who "renders their bodies in a bathtub" and flushes everything down the drain. Then he packs up the bones and takes them out to Oak Beach Island!!!

How absurd.

I hear you, but unfortunately with the advancement in DNA technology, etc., many of these psychopaths have taken the disposal of their murdered victims to a whole new level-Zahra Baker, Jonathan Foster, etc. And these two examples are women!
 
  • #773
I despise the NG rumor mill. NG comes on night after night with unsubstantiated reports that she passes off as fact. She has been wrong on this case almost every time she opens her mouth about it.

She had some quack on the other night stating that all that's left of these 8 girls is bones, because the sk is a Hannibal Lecter type who "renders their bodies in a bathtub" and flushes everything down the drain. Then he packs up the bones and takes them out to Oak Beach Island!!!

How absurd.

I agree. The whole part about the rendering of the bodies was totally unfounded and unnecessary. Maybe if there was some evidence of something like that happening I could understand discussing it but for all we know, the bodies had just been exposed to the elements long enough to warrant heavy decomposition. To automatically jump to such a macabre theory with no legitimate basis is sick and insensitive, IMO.

ETA: This story is sensational enough as it is, there is no need to sensationalize it further.
 
  • #774
Speculation: Shannan G's disappearance is connected. Perhaps, SG has had past communication via cell with the SK. Let's say, she had refused to accept the job for whatever reasons. If the common denominator is business through Craigslist, perhaps some of these Johns communicate with each other through the net behind a couple of screen names-rate the prostitute, talk about who they have hired this very evening, etc.

Maybe, the SK knew SG was there that evening through internet communication with SG's John prior to her visit. I hope LE was able to get a hold of the John's computer to see if he was unwittingly, unknowingly, communicating with the SK.
 
  • #775
I agree with the posters who have speculated that Shannan could have received a communication from the SK prior to leaving the John's residence which is why she refused to leave, and lost it. She was terrified enough to pound on another residence's door, and even call LE. Drug use, bipolar, etc. caused her to run around the area, rather than stay put. IMO, she had received prior communication from the SK prior to going missing. Wonder if LE found her cell phone. Doubt it.
 
  • #776
Speculation: Shannan G's disappearance is connected. Perhaps, SG has had past communication via cell with the SK. Let's say, she had refused to accept the job for whatever reasons. If the common denominator is business through Craigslist, perhaps some of these Johns communicate with each other through the net behind a couple of screen names-rate the prostitute, talk about who they have hired this very evening, etc.

Maybe, the SK knew SG was there that evening through internet communication with SG's John prior to her visit. I hope LE was able to get a hold of the John's computer to see if he was unwittingly, unknowingly, communicating with the SK.

Interesting theory. In researching this case, we have come across several websites where johns review the escorts they have had encounters with. In addition to the message boards, I'm sure there are tons of private message conversations going on on those websites that we don't have access to. I hadn't thought that maybe the SK got wind of where SG was going to be through one of these websites but it's a pretty plausible idea. Even if JB was just talking to someone he compares notes with on there and said something like "I'm meeting with so and so tonight at my house, I'll let you know how it goes!" Conversations like that are EVERYWHERE on those sites.
 
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Yes, svpernin. That's where I'm at re Shannan G's disappearance today. The John who she worked for that evening is not a suspect according to MSM. Today, I do not believe he had anything to do with SG's disappearance or the discovered bodies. Would LE have asked him to voluntarily turn over his computer? Jeez, I would think so.
 
  • #779
spvernin, Thanks for giving us those site addresses once again. I apologize that I haven't had the time to visit and sleuth them for information on these young women. I have had a very busy week!

Hopefully another sleuth will jump on the bandwagon and help out....fingers crossed.

In the meantime, I wanted to link Shannan Gilberts WS thread again. There are some great maps of the neighborhood where she was last seen, thanks to Shutterfly! The security shack at the entrance is visable in one of the maps.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122841"]NJ NJ - Shannan Gilbert, 24, Jersey City, 1 May 2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

wm
 
  • #780
the girls must be quickly incapacitated...so they can't call or get away.

He can't just be trolling the roads for errant call girls...

they are hooking up with him...they are all hooking up with this one guy.
 
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