Identified! NY - Mount Vernon, WhtFem 51UFNY, 18-25, Left Near Junkyard, Feb'88 - Veronica Wiederhold

[jessr927]

I met with Detective Chris DiMase today who is just as lovely in person as he is through email/over the phone.

If an MP is in NamUs, their DNA is automatically run against all UIDs. Also, if anyone commits a felony or misdemeanor, their DNA is entered into CODIS and run against UID DNA. So basically all the matches we sent are already being automatically matched or ruled out via NamUs.

The Boston man whose DNA matched 8 alleles to what was found under MVJD's fingernails, was verified by DiMase to be in jail in Boston from February 10, 1988 to March 1988.

Day-Glo Towing employee from Yonkers, NY who was arrested in FL on a similar charge was also ruled out via DNA.

Alejandro (Alex) Henriquez, a serial killer from the Bronx, was ruled out via DNA.

A potential suspect in Rhode Island was also ruled out.

DiMase contacted an FBI profiler to assist on the case.

Because MVPD didn't collect MVJD's DNA (was done by county OCME), they will not release the DNA to Smithsonian for isotope testing, because the 2 isotope labs (I believe one in FL, one in TX) are not NY accredited.

Ancestry.com and other genealogy sites are also not NY accredited so they can't run an ethnicity test.

It is possible that MVJD was trafficked here from a South American country for prostitution purposes.

 

[cvaldez1975]

that is a lot of info!

I wish NY could accredit those institutions! it would be helpful.

I met with Detective Chris DiMase today who is just as lovely in person as he is through email/over the phone.

If an MP is in NamUs, their DNA is automatically run against all UIDs. Also, if anyone commits a felony or misdemeanor, their DNA is entered into CODIS and run against UID DNA. So basically all the matches we sent are already being automatically matched or ruled out via NamUs.

The Boston man whose DNA matched 8 alleles to what was found under MVJD's fingernails, was verified by DiMase to be in jail in Boston from February 10, 1988 to March 1988.

Day-Glo Towing employee from Yonkers, NY who was arrested in FL on a similar charge was also ruled out via DNA.

Alejandro (Alex) Henriquez, a serial killer from the Bronx, was ruled out via DNA.

A potential suspect in Rhode Island was also ruled out.

DiMase contacted an FBI profiler to assist on the case.

Because MVPD didn't collect MVJD's DNA (was done by county OCME), they will not release the DNA to Smithsonian for isotope testing, because the 2 isotope labs (I believe one in FL, one in TX) are not NY accredited.

Ancestry.com and other genealogy sites are also not NY accredited so they can't run an ethnicity test.

It is possible that MVJD was trafficked here from a South American country for prostitution purposes.

 

[jessr927]

The institutions have to pay a lot to be NY accredited 😞

Also for what it's worth ladies (men too if that's your preference) he is a very handsome guy but married!

 

[Any123]

I met with Detective Chris DiMase today who is just as lovely in person as he is through email/over the phone.

If an MP is in NamUs, their DNA is automatically run against all UIDs. Also, if anyone commits a felony or misdemeanor, their DNA is entered into CODIS and run against UID DNA. So basically all the matches we sent are already being automatically matched or ruled out via NamUs.

The Boston man whose DNA matched 8 alleles to what was found under MVJD's fingernails, was verified by DiMase to be in jail in Boston from February 10, 1988 to March 1988.

Day-Glo Towing employee from Yonkers, NY who was arrested in FL on a similar charge was also ruled out via DNA.

Alejandro (Alex) Henriquez, a serial killer from the Bronx, was ruled out via DNA.

A potential suspect in Rhode Island was also ruled out.

DiMase contacted an FBI profiler to assist on the case.

Because MVPD didn't collect MVJD's DNA (was done by county OCME), they will not release the DNA to Smithsonian for isotope testing, because the 2 isotope labs (I believe one in FL, one in TX) are not NY accredited.

Ancestry.com and other genealogy sites are also not NY accredited so they can't run an ethnicity test.

It is possible that MVJD was trafficked here from a South American country for prostitution purposes.

This is what I thought I read somewhere but I was told on other threads this wasn't true. Something to do with it depends on the type of DNA and they would have to manually compare it. Also they said the only definite rule outs are listed as rule outs. I would like to get a definite answer on this. If this is try then it would really cut down on the potential matches to submit.

 

[Roselvr]

I met with Detective Chris DiMase today who is just as lovely in person as he is through email/over the phone.

If an MP is in NamUs, their DNA is automatically run against all UIDs. Also, if anyone commits a felony or misdemeanor, their DNA is entered into CODIS and run against UID DNA. So basically all the matches we sent are already being automatically matched or ruled out via NamUs.

The Boston man whose DNA matched 8 alleles to what was found under MVJD's fingernails, was verified by DiMase to be in jail in Boston from February 10, 1988 to March 1988.

Day-Glo Towing employee from Yonkers, NY who was arrested in FL on a similar charge was also ruled out via DNA.

Alejandro (Alex) Henriquez, a serial killer from the Bronx, was ruled out via DNA.

A potential suspect in Rhode Island was also ruled out.

DiMase contacted an FBI profiler to assist on the case.

Because MVPD didn't collect MVJD's DNA (was done by county OCME), they will not release the DNA to Smithsonian for isotope testing, because the 2 isotope labs (I believe one in FL, one in TX) are not NY accredited.

Ancestry.com and other genealogy sites are also not NY accredited so they can't run an ethnicity test.

It is possible that MVJD was trafficked here from a South American country for prostitution purposes.

Not true. With the DNA being hidden we don't know who holds the DNA on either side. I can grab cases where it did not happen, one was with a NM Jane Doe and a CA missing woman named Margo. LE held the sample and didn't have it searchable in CODIS for the UP. The other is my friend Cathy's daughter with Racine WI Jane Doe, was a pain to get Aundria's DNA checked against the Doe. He should call her case worker Lori so she can explain it to him.

If they are in the same system then yes but reality is no. We can't assume they are

 

[cvaldez1975]

that's what I have been lead to believe as well. as in sometimes they have nuclear dna and sometimes mitochondrial..

This is what I thought I read somewhere but I was told on other threads this wasn't true. Something to do with it depends on the type of DNA and they would have to manually compare it. Also they said the only definite rule outs are listed as rule outs. I would like to get a definite answer on this. If this is try then it would really cut down on the potential matches to submit.

 

[jessr927]

I do know that MVJD's nuclear and mtDNA is in NamUs - so wouldn't the DNA from MPs be getting auto-compared to hers?

DiMase said that people from CODIS call him from time to time with suggested matches for the hits on the DNA under her nails. Not sure what that tells us about what DNA is in CODIS? I'm really not good with scientific things.

 

[Roselvr]

DiMase said that people from CODIS call him from time to time with suggested matches for the hits on the DNA under her nails. Not sure what that tells us about what DNA is in CODIS? I'm really not good with scientific things.

Carl would be better at CODIS then me, but as you said it contains the DNA from her finger nails to compare against convicts.

Combined DNA Index System (CODIS)

The CODIS Unit manages the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) and the National DNA Index System (NDIS). It is responsible for developing, providing, and supporting the CODIS Program to federal, state, and local crime laboratories in the United States and selected international law enforcement crime laboratories to foster the exchange and comparison of forensic DNA evidence from violent crime investigations. The CODIS Unit also provides administrative management and support to the FBI for various advisory boards, Department of Justice (DOJ) grant programs, and legislation regarding DNA.

I do know that MVJD's nuclear and mtDNA is in NamUs - so wouldn't the DNA from MPs be getting auto-compared to hers?

Yes as new MP's are added with DNA, it should be getting compared to her as they process if the family allows it. They may not give permission to run it the 1st time, they can say they only want it compared as a potential is found. When we were able to see who holds the DNA it was a lot easier to know these things but now we really can't say which MP has been run against her unless someone specifically asks for the compare. It's been a huge learning experience for me since it was hidden.

See this thread - Match! NM - Pagosa Springs, WhtFem 55UFNM, 25-35, Sep'82 - Margaret Walden

What am I missing? Both say DNA Sample submitted - Tests complete. This isn't a case I've followed so am unsure
Margaret Walden NamUs DNA Sample submitted - Tests complete
NamUs UP # 5326 DNA Sample submitted - Tests complete

http://www.pagosasun.com/second-victim-in-1982-double-homicide-identified/

Thanks! I'm still scratching my head as both NamUs profiles are online!
I have to wonder why NamUs did not make the match?

edit - According to the newest article; (if I am reading it right) it sounds like NM held Jane Doe's sample but refused to test against Margo's relatives....

I have an answer. This goes to show that we can't assume DNA processed & complete means that NamUs holds them or ever that they were run through the same system. It just means that someone has the DNA on file.

The person I spoke to from NamUs said that one sample (Margo's family) was at CalDOJ lab and the other (Margo as JD) was at FBI. They do not know outside of UNT if they were at the level to be compared nationally.

 

[jessr927]

That is, honestly, entirely too much for my brain to process. I will ask DiMase to contact Lori Bruski directly

 

[Alleykins]

So, when I got a reply back from the NamUs case worker that both the UP and MP are in CODIS and that no associations were found, that's a sure thing? Just curious.

 

[Roselvr]

So, when I got a reply back from the NamUs case worker that both the UP and MP are in CODIS and that no associations were found, that's a sure thing? Just curious.

Good question; I really don't have the answer. You see in Margo's case it didn't happen

 

[Alleykins]

I've wondered about that reply since I received it. It sounded canned, like it wasn't even checked. Maybe it was, but if it wasn't, I think the MP deserved a second look at the results.

 

[Roselvr]

I've wondered about that reply since I received it. It sounded canned, like it wasn't even checked. Maybe it was, but if it wasn't, I think the MP deserved a second look at the results.

Who was the case worker or post the NamUs profile..

 

[Alleykins]

Michael Nance

 

[Roselvr]

Michael Nance

Your lucky to have gotten a reply. He's been around a long time, he should know about various levels

 

[Alleykins]

I'm still learning; I didn't know that some DNA profiles have different strengths, like some of the older cases where DNA that used older techniques are weak.
So, let's say you have an older UP case and and older MP case and there are not associations between them ,couldn't it be because their individual profiles aren't that strong to begin with?
If Mr. Nance been around a long time, then I guess he would know to look at that possibility and I will just have to trust in the process.

 

[Roselvr]

New NCMEC recon for MVJD on help ID me.

Help ID Me - 1 hr ·

#UNIDENTIFIED in New York

A female was found deceased on February 14, 1988 in an industrial area on Carlton Ave in #Westchester County, New York. She had been deceased only a few hours.

She is estimated to be 18-25 years old. She had long light brown thick hair and hazel eyes. She stood approximately 5’3” tall and weighed around 105 pounds. She had freckles on her face under her eyes, a few birth marks on her forehead, and one large noticeable birth mark on the right side of her neck along her collar bone. Both of her earlobes were pierced but she was not wearing any earrings. She was wearing fake press-on nails with a reddish-pink polish.

Please share her information and help identify her. Call the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children at 1-800-THE-LOST if you have any information that could help give this female back her name. News 12 Westchester, CBS New York, ABC7NY, NBC News, lohud, Examiner Media, lohud, The Huffington Post

 

[Alleykins]

I saw this on FB earlier & shared it.
I was looking through the doe network for possible matches but the only one I thought was even close was ruled out already - Leichia Reilly.
She doesn't have DNA submitted yet, so they must have used dental.

 

[Vital Forces]

I always wondered why this Jane Doe didn't have a NCMEC page. Did they create one because of recent publicity?

 

[Roselvr]

I always wondered why this Jane Doe didn't have a NCMEC page. Did they create one because of recent publicity?

Not sure that I've ever looked but she's there now - Jane Doe 1988