NY - Orsolya Gaal, 51, body found in duffel bag, Queens, Apr 2022 #2 *Arrest*

[missslaurenlady]

One thing I noticed this morning, which I found bizarre, is how long it took police to get a search warrant.

Multiple reports, including this one, state that police made an "emergency entry" into the house on Saturday morning after following the blood trail to the home. It was at this point that officers located the son on the top floor and saw the blood in the living room.

Despite the officers evidently seeing blood in the living room, however, it apparently took them hours to get a search warrant for the house, according to the New York Post (snipped & BBM):

"NYPD sources told The Post on Tuesday that detectives had asked the Queens District Attorney’s Office for a search warrant shortly after tracing the blood back to Gaal’s house Saturday morning.

But investigators weren’t given the warrant until early evening, costing them valuable time in gathering evidence, sources said."

If this information is accurate, I am truly at a loss as to why it would take hours to get a search warrant if officers saw blood in the home at the time of the emergency entry on Saturday morning. In New York, search warrants can be applied for with an oral application, particularly in emergency situations, so it's not like the police even needed to draft a written warrant.

MOO LE needed /needs to be very careful what they do in the home with the minor present without someone of legal age to consent on his behalf. MOO this may be the reason for a quick arrest and release. It may have been even routine to arrest the only person in the home, since it was a crime scene (I do not know - I am not law enforcement. That is also not what I believe happened, but I am not going to share my personal beliefs and speculation on this forum). What I can and will share is that LE is being cautious and measured with EVERYTHING they do from a legal standpoint. The taking the long time to get the warrant makes me understand even further the possible thinking about questioning a minor. As we know, LE has gotten in a lot of trouble for coercing “false confessions” from minors. Perhaps they don’t want to be accused of that by questioning without an adult present. Who knows? Again MOO about what LE knows and what their strategy might be and who they may think might have information that could be helpful to the case.

i am not making any accusations here, just thinking about how LE works, particularly when it comes to minors. I am a mandated reporter as part of my profession, so I’m familiar with the laws around LE and minors and reporting statements to LE.

 

[peel]

if the electrician is correct and there are multiple cameras IN the home, then the case is closed....cops have to know....unless of course the camera system was shut off....even so, there are dozens of cameras in the neighborhood.......yeah, I think they know.....so why are they slow walking this case?....a well known assailant?...someone they want to protect from the public view?...

does anybody remember the Westerfield case in San Diego?....the cops had the perp for many many hrs interviewing him....they also suggested a certain top notch attorney for him IIRC....

could the cops be giving the perp some help in arranging a low key arrest ?......shoot, maybe he/she is already sitting in jail.....which would be why the "reward" is so low and the cops don't seem panicked.

 

[Razz]

I am somewhat surprised as there appears to be a lot of victim bashing by the press. "Handyman lover" etc. Is someone other than LE pushing another narrative?

 

[peel]

I agree about the questioning....cops can not interrogate any juvenile no matter who he is without a parent or another adult present.....

the father has money......the cops can get away with throwing their weight around with some poor slob but they have to be careful with the rich people.....lawsuits, big time lawyers, etc....so everything has to be by the book.

I wish a reporter would ask the police "is the public in danger" because they'll probably say no and then we'll know that the perp is known to them and contained somehow with surveillance..

 

[indicolite22]

Was that message from her cell phone? I don't recall that being disclosed where the message came from.

Yes. There wasa a debate on how the perp managed to unlock her phone if she had it locked.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

I wonder if they are pretty certain who the person was wheeling the bag, but they may not be certain that they are the killer (thinking two people were in cahoots), so they can't pounce on the first one until they're certain of the second? Just a thought...

 

[citizen_sleuth]

I agree about the questioning....cops can not interrogate a juvenile no matter who he is without a parent or another adult present.....

the father has money......the cops can get away with throwing their weight around with some poor slob but they have to be careful with the rich people.....lawsuits, big time lawyers, etc....

I wish a reporter would ask the police "is the public in danger" because they'll probably say no and then we'll know that the perp is known to them and contained somehow with surveillance..

From NBC New York (BBM): "No arrests have been made, and police are still unsure of a motive behind the killing. Law enforcement sources have said the attack was not random and that the public is not in danger."

 

[wary]

I am not as surprised as you about the time to get the warrant. They had her body and had the crime scene secured. They had no idea who had access to her and the house. I am sure that they wanted to make sure that every thing was done correctly and without a chance that their evidence could be thrown out wherever the case went.

I know people in this DAs office. They are not slow walkers by any means-- but have had not conversation about this case with them. I think it was also a holiday and a highly sensational story so they wanted the right people to be looking at everything.

And they had extremely important work to do outside the house—tracking down every bit of surveillance camera footage along the route between her body and the house, and then more footage to establish where the perp went after he left her body. And how he had arrived at the house.

 

[peel]

I am somewhat surprised as there appears to be a lot of victim bashing by the press. "Handyman lover" etc. Is someone other than LE pushing another narrative?

I don't get it and I think its disgraceful....the only person that would know of and "affair" or "lovers' would be the two lovers.....

but our media follows the "if it bleeds it leads" philosophy....the more ugliness they can throw in the better.....

 

[amaraya]

I am somewhat surprised as there appears to be a lot of victim bashing by the press. "Handyman lover" etc. Is someone other than LE pushing another narrative?

This it is very problematic for me and certainly seems to push a specific image, esp at some point saying she had a few lovers, etc. For all we know they were confidants, or he was overly controling or she just had a flimg or she had multiple lovers, but all these phrases certainly seem to work to diminish her worth, in a sense or pass judgement as if it was coming to her or the like. I find it very unfair and harmful, especially for her boys.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Who killed Orsolya Gaal? Probe into death of mom found in duffel bag continues – PIX11
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The husband is cooperating with police and has turned over his cellphone, sources said.

[...]

Law enforcement sources said the suspect left behind a piece of evidence at Gaal’s home. They’re hoping it will lead them to the killer.

 

[indicolite22]

From NBC New York (BBM): "No arrests have been made, and police are still unsure of a motive behind the killing. Law enforcement sources have said the attack was not random and that the public is not in danger."

If the attack wasn't random but also not planned, why was the perp at her house that night?

 

[Lusitana]

What if it turns that there was never any “lover”? This poor lady.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I don’t think they ever arrested the boy. Police handcuff people when they are being transported in the back of a police cruiser as a matter of safety. It’s hard to protect your gun and taser while driving a vehicle. Some officers have a long gun in the vehicle.

Even people who are fully restrained have been known to kick out windows or crawl through a small space in the partition. Patrol vehicles generally have a partition between front and back but police vehicles used by a supervisor or detective might not.

The boy appeared to be calm and cooperative as he was walked to the vehicle but we don’t know what happened inside the house. He might have been understandably upset and combative. All of this to say that handcuffs are often used for officer safety and to keep a person from hurting themselves. It doesn’t necessarily mean that he was under arrest. MOO

 

[kaen]

I don’t think they ever arrested the boy. Police handcuff people when they are being transported in the back of a police cruiser as a matter of safety. It’s hard to protect your gun and taser while driving a vehicle. Some officers have a long gun in the vehicle.

Even people who are fully restrained have been known to kick out windows or crawl through a small space in the partition. Patrol vehicles generally have a partition between front and back but police vehicles used by a supervisor or detective might not.

The boy appeared to be calm and cooperative as he was walked to the vehicle but we don’t know what happened inside the house. He might have been understandably upset and combative. All of this to say that handcuffs are often used for officer safety and to keep a person from hurting themselves. It doesn’t necessarily mean that he was under arrest. MOO

I doubt they would have told him his mother was dead as well. He may have spoken with dad and was told to go and cooperate.

 

[amaraya]

I don’t think they ever arrested the boy. Police handcuff people when they are being transported in the back of a police cruiser as a matter of safety. It’s hard to protect your gun and taser while driving a vehicle. Some officers have a long gun in the vehicle.

Even people who are fully restrained have been known to kick out windows or crawl through a small space in the partition. Patrol vehicles generally have a partition between front and back but police vehicles used by a supervisor or detective might not.

The boy appeared to be calm and cooperative as he was walked to the vehicle but we don’t know what happened inside the house. He might have been understandably upset and combative. All of this to say that handcuffs are often used for officer safety and to keep a person from hurting themselves. It doesn’t necessarily mean that he was under arrest. MOO

Omg that poor 13 yr old boy, finding out his mom is killed, alone in the house, and handcuffed brought down to the station and questioned! Thaf must've been traumatizing for the poor thing

 

[Greenraven34]

I agree about the questioning....cops can not interrogate any juvenile no matter who he is without a parent or another adult present.....

the father has money......the cops can get away with throwing their weight around with some poor slob but they have to be careful with the rich people.....lawsuits, big time lawyers, etc....so everything has to be by the book.

I wish a reporter would ask the police "is the public in danger" because they'll probably say no and then we'll know that the perp is known to them and contained somehow with surveillance..

That is not true. A juvenile can be questioned and/or interrogated without a parent present or without permission of a parent. Especially if they believe the child is a witness/suspect of a murder that happened a floor below said child.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I doubt they would have told him his mother was dead as well. He may have spoken with dad and was told to go and cooperate.

I agree, though it might have been obvious that a horrific attack had taken place if they had to walk through the crime scene to exit the home. Blood everywhere and no paramedics wheeling the mom away would have been an ominous sign. The boy might have been in shock. I really hope he was sound asleep with earbuds on.

 

[Kapua]

They just have to be close.

I just can't imagine there's not a great deal of physical evidence, likely inside the home and on the bag itself (touch DNA). There's also going to be lots and lots of video that we haven't seen.

Once an arrest is made, I have no doubt that they're going to have this suspect dead to rights. This was sloppy beyond belief.

Indeed. This is the sloppiest case I have ever followed, hands down. It must have been a rage killing, because the perp clearly did not have a plan, IMHO. Nor was he able to formulate a good one on the spur of the moment. Can you imagine pulling a bag with a corpse inside down the street for five blocks? There's video galore, and as you mentioned, DNA. I am confident that LE will have someone in custody very soon. JMHO.

 

[HilaryHormone]

has it been confirmed she spent the time at 5 Burro Cafe?? I saw owner was quoted & it was described as a place she went often … but I didn’t see it confirmed as where she was that night?? interesting… Tia!

I haven’t seen any confirmation, but I’m wondering about this guys claim he saw the bag. That would put him driving past after 4:30am when the restaurant closed at 1:00am. Yeah, he could have hung around cleaning or whatever, but I don’t even see how he’s a relevant person to interview unless she was there that night.



Samson Cornejo, whose father owns 5 Burro Cafe on Austin Street, said Gaal was a regular at the watering hole but added that he’s not sure if she was there late Friday.

“Her house is a 10-minute walk. … She comes here, y’know, she’s been here before. She used to come with some Russian ladies,” Cornejo told The Post on Tuesday.
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“I saw the bag, where they found it, after I left that night. I drove by it after leaving here. I couldn’t believe when I heard. It smacked me when I saw her picture!”


Ex-handyman lover sought by cops in NYC mom Orsolya Gaal's slaying: sources