NY - Rita Tangredi, 31, and Colleen McNamee, 20, murdered, 1993-94, John Biltroff *GUILTY* - #2

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So, the untested DNA wasn't Heuermann's. Whose is it? Isn't that something LE should be interested in knowing?
I think the existence of that DNA, combined with the prosecution's expert's junk science of sperm density, combined with missing and initially hyped wood particles, combined with Rex being charged with a murder the DA asserted was Bittrolff, all add to reasonable doubt.

When he was arrested, a lot of people believed LISK was solved. That must have brought some relief to Suffolk County.

MOO
 
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I think the existence of that DNA, combined with the prosecution's expert's junk science of sperm density, combined with missing and initially hyped wood particles, combined with Rex being charged with a murder the DA asserted was Bittrolff, all add to reasonable doubt.

When he was arrested, a lot of people believed LISK was solved. That must have brought some relief to Suffolk County.

MOO
Does this indicate there is still somone else out there? Or is the unknown DNA from another "John"?
 
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So that testing I've been watching for (from article), know it's already being discussed on this thread:

Rex Heuermann, the accused Gilgo Beach serial killer charged with killing seven women, was excluded from involvement in another, high-profile case this past week....The Office of Medical Examiner in Suffolk County, New York compared Rex Heuermann’s DNA with genetic material found on—and near— the body of 20 year old homicide victim, Colleen McNamee. It was not a match.

Had Heuermann indeed matched, it would have been jmo an instantaneous and almost explosive victory for Bittrolff. But don't think the lack of an RH match shuts the door on the questions related to any of this-- at all. It was always assumed-- until relatively recently-- that Sandra Costilla, Colleen McNamee, and Rita Tangredi died at the hands of the same murderer(s). I still have all the same questions. And it's not a foregone conclusion in my mind that RH doesn't have some connection to this. Or Tanya and Tatiana, where Andrew Dykes has been charged with Tanya's murder. In cases where they've captured hairs that RH left with his victims, there are provable answers and strong cases. In others, it may not be as clear, or as provable.

And jmo, it's hugely important to remember-- what DNA evidence have they ever been able to capture in terms of RH? Hair. No sperm, no semen, not to my knowledge. It looks like the mitochondrial testing Bittrolff was requesting was denied, is that right? And it's unclear to me exactly what type of testing was done and on what, I'm just seeing DNA profile comparison for RH. Don't blame Bittolff's defense one bit for relentlessly pursuing that testing, & even if they test every hair at the scene with the most sophisticated techniques, and no RH match-- jmo, RH's not "cleared." It just means nothing can be proven in terms of RH. I'm not assuming RH left a hair on every one of his murder victims; I just know the state's going to charge him in the cases where he did because they can prove their cases.

Continuing to wonder about that gun club RH was so enamored with. But until something appears on the horizon to support this idea of a "missing link" providing some connection (not likely to produce itself even if it were to exist), am just going with what's known, which is that in terms of these Gilgo and Manorville cases, we've got three men connected/charged thus far: RH, Bittrolff, and Dykes. And thus far, Bittolff has been convicted.

Dismembering is not commonly used among murderers. Multiple locations for remains is also quite uncommon. But provided they're both guilty, RH and Dykes did both-- coincidentally choosing pretty much the exact same location as one of their multiple locations. And with one murderer's victims essentially filling the space created between the other murderer's earlier victim and child. AND in the case of Bittrolff, there were similarities in terms of those cases that were so strong that the murders were all thought to be the work of the same killer.

There's more to this, somewhere, but it's jmo. If Bittrolff really is innocent, he's been one of the unluckiest people on the face of the earth, jmo, and saying it in complete earnestness.
 
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There's more to this, somewhere, but it's jmo. If Bittrolff really is innocent, he's been one of the unluckiest people on the face of the earth, jmo, and saying it in complete earnestness.
Snipped for focus -- indeed. It seems there WAS and perhaps still IS something very, very rotten in Suffolk County and that area. It's been so long that I doubt the whole corrupt underbelly can or will ever be completely sorted. The same "johns" appear to have frequented the same sex workers. Scenes with more than one man's DNA, how can any case be made "beyond a reasonable doubt"?

In my opinion, the very fact that information was withheld about the "other" DNA should be enough to have a conviction overturned. Remember, the jury approached the judge three times unable to agree -- if I recall correctly. The jury's uncertainty added to the unknown DNA . . . seriously, that's not a legitimate conviction -- in my opinion.

While I don't know whether Bittrolff is guilty or innocent, I very much doubt his conviction was truly a fair trial.

As for Heuermann's hair -- I have often wondered if RH's strange haircut was not an attempt to prevent hairs being left with the remains.
 

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