NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 9

[Curious Cathy]

It is my opinion that all but cadaver dogs would be useless at this point in time. An "air scent" dog may hit on decomposing remains if it has been trained to.

Do you think his body is in the preserve that they searched but just did not find him? I think he is alive.

 

[Curious Cathy]

BBM
If somebody shorter than RM drove the car that can be proven by mirrors if they have been adjusted too.

Can anyone confirm on here that LE actually still has his car?

 

[McSpy]

All I feel is that RM was in complete control at least up until the 2:41 mark. He drove home to BE home, stay home. All little signals and signs indicate to me, Robert Mayer was ending his work week very normally. From that point on, was a breaking point, for somebody. My gut feeling is it is not someone internal or the from anyone's past. I think it's more to something that surrounds RM. But like anyone, I'm just shootin marbles here. There is much info to dissect and discern from. But not from here unfortunately.

Do you think he met with foul play?

 

[Trackergd]

All I feel is that RM was in complete control at least up until the 2:41 mark. He drove home to BE home, stay home. All little signals and signs indicate to me, Robert Mayer was ending his work week very normally. From that point on, was a breaking point, for somebody. My gut feeling is it is not someone internal or the from anyone's past. I think it's more to something that surrounds RM. But like anyone, I'm just shootin marbles here. There is much info to dissect and discern from. But not from here unfortunately.

I tend to agree with this. I am somewhat concerned about the "worried look" on Arrow's video. Putting things away in drawers when he got home may have been "force of habit". What ever happened went down after he left again. If LE is still holding the car as reported, it brings us down to a short list of possible scenario's. Thanks for your insight and opinion.

 

[Trackergd]

Do you think his body is in the preserve that they searched but just did not find him? I think he is alive.

Without a second very intense search that also includes the abandoned mental hospital, we will never know. The fact nothing seems to be moving on that front, I am making a guess that LE is onto something. Since they laughed at the walk away theory, the possible scenarios are a very short list.

 

[McSpy]

Anybody know how the seats on a GTO like RM's work? For instance, some seats if you hit the button on the side of the seat back to tilt it forward, the whole seat slides forward. In my truck, when you take the key out of the ignition, the seat automatically slides all the way back.

I wonder if the seat was adjusted forward or if the seat back was also tilted toward the steering wheel.

Does any of that make sense?

I think Talula had a GTO. Hopefully, she will answer the question, but in my experience with 2 door cars, the seat back can be bent forward and the entire seat can be adjusted for height—moved back or towards the wheel. Even 4 doors do this, in my experience. Some cars have motorized seat adjustment— some have manual adjustment. We had a discussion about the GTO of that vintage and IIRC, the GTO's seat adjustment was motorized. Supposedly, the motorized seat adjustment was very slow too.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Without a second very intense search that also includes the abandoned mental hospital, we will never know. The fact nothing seems to be moving on that front, I am making a guess that LE is onto something. Since they laughed at the walk away theory, the possible scenarios are a very short list.

If LE truly believed that RM or his remains were at the preserve, why would they not conduct SAR searches throughout the 3+ months since the first search? Or maybe they have, just not publicly? Also, is it common for them to go back after all this time to re-search?

And thank you...

 

[McSpy]

All I feel is that RM was in complete control at least up until the 2:41 mark. He drove home to BE home, stay home. All little signals and signs indicate to me, Robert Mayer was ending his work week very normally. From that point on, was a breaking point, for somebody. My gut feeling is it is not someone internal or the from anyone's past. I think it's more to something that surrounds RM. But like anyone, I'm just shootin marbles here. There is much info to dissect and discern from. But not from here unfortunately.

BBM

What do you mean by "someone internal"? I'm not sure I know what you mean. Thx

 

[Codger]

Okay, so that takes care of that. Thanks! Seat had to be moved forward with the electronic button.

Which puts us back to 1) retrieving something out of the back seat/floorboard or 2) somebody shorter than RM drove the car.

:twocents: My personal experience owning several 2 door cars is that you don't put much in the back seat unless you absolutely have to. Its a big old PIA to get it in + out if its of any size. Much easier to put it in the front seat or front floorboard or the trunk. The only things that travelled much in my back seats were people. And certainly getting out was a hat trick to say the least if they were over 4'. So its JMO that either someone shorter drove the car or someone was a passenger in the rear seat. Or someone moved the seat to make it look like someone shorter drove the car. The trunk was empty, so I think anything that was being transported was in there. Always JMO.

As to previous comments since I was part of the O/T conversation - It was Ray Gricar's brother who committed suicide. Ray Gricar's car was NOT found in that location, but near a body of water in another state. Though his brother was also found in a body of water it was NOT in the same location. I apologize to those who saw this here thinking it was related to RM. I had wanted to clarify the locations + didn't intend for it to be taken in relation to RM, so sorry. Sometimes RM's case reminds me of RG's + that's how we went astray O/T.
:truce:

 

[Codger]

All I feel is that RM was in complete control at least up until the 2:41 mark. He drove home to BE home, stay home. All little signals and signs indicate to me, Robert Mayer was ending his work week very normally. From that point on, was a breaking point, for somebody. My gut feeling is it is not someone internal or the from anyone's past. I think it's more to something that surrounds RM. But like anyone, I'm just shootin marbles here. There is much info to dissect and discern from. But not from here unfortunately.

BBM - I keep coming back to this. It looks (to me) like he thought (IF it was him going home at 2:41 + out again at 2:50) he was running out + would be coming right back home, quickly. Who, where, what is the big question. He gets home + IM is not there yet. What could he have been doing that he thought would only take a few minutes + he wouldn't need his wallet for? We know $300 was found in the garage, but we don't know what if any cash he had in his pocket. Maybe he thought he was just going to the store for ____ some little thing he only needed $10 for + didn't need ID or credit card so no need for the wallet. BUT what CHANGED then? How do the events, so routine + normal suddenly change in so few minutes into a man disappearing without a trace? The only thing I can think of + keep coming back to is - He ran out to meet someone, for what he thought was going to be a couple minutes + he'd be right back home, before or about the same time as IM to begin the family weekend. Maybe that meet turned out to not be what he had in mind. JMO

 

[BunnyHop]

BBM - I keep coming back to this. It looks (to me) like he thought (IF it was him going home at 2:41 + out again at 2:50) he was running out + would be coming right back home, quickly. Who, where, what is the big question. He gets home + IM is not there yet. What could he have been doing that he thought would only take a few minutes + he wouldn't need his wallet for? We know $300 was found in the garage, but we don't know what if any cash he had in his pocket. Maybe he thought he was just going to the store for ____ some little thing he only needed $10 for + didn't need ID or credit card so no need for the wallet. BUT what CHANGED then? How do the events, so routine + normal suddenly change in so few minutes into a man disappearing without a trace? The only thing I can think of + keep coming back to is - He ran out to meet someone, for what he thought was going to be a couple minutes + he'd be right back home, before or about the same time as IM to begin the family weekend. Maybe that meet turned out to not be what he had in mind. JMO

BBM good theory, sounds plausible

 

[CatFancier]

Let's try to keep the Ray Gricar discussion out of this thread. Even one mention yesterday confused several posters. Ray Gricar does have a discussion thread here...Ray Gricar Thread #10

 

[cluciano63]

Those who feel RM is alive...doing what, or where? Not to mention why?

 

[hot cawfeee]

Those who feel RM is alive...doing what, or where? Not to mention why?

I am of 2 minds cluciano---that he is alive or that he isn't (I know-brilliant cawfee!!!). I think he may be in a new life, working out of state--not that there is a new family or lover. I think there were marital issues, he planned to leave over the summer while the kids were out of school to give them an adjustment period. But something happened to advance the date of him moving out and it became a volatile situation that went very public very fast.
:twocents:

 

[BunnyHop]

Those who feel RM is alive...doing what, or where? Not to mention why?

1. He may have just left and went away somewhere.

2. He may have fled because he afraid of something, he may be in hiding.

3. 1 and 2 may be wrong. :fence:

 

[Curious Cathy]

BBM - I keep coming back to this. It looks (to me) like he thought (IF it was him going home at 2:41 + out again at 2:50) he was running out + would be coming right back home, quickly. Who, where, what is the big question. He gets home + IM is not there yet. What could he have been doing that he thought would only take a few minutes + he wouldn't need his wallet for? We know $300 was found in the garage, but we don't know what if any cash he had in his pocket. Maybe he thought he was just going to the store for ____ some little thing he only needed $10 for + didn't need ID or credit card so no need for the wallet. BUT what CHANGED then? How do the events, so routine + normal suddenly change in so few minutes into a man disappearing without a trace? The only thing I can think of + keep coming back to is - He ran out to meet someone, for what he thought was going to be a couple minutes + he'd be right back home, before or about the same time as IM to begin the family weekend. Maybe that meet turned out to not be what he had in mind. JMO

That someone he met outside would have to be on foot, right? Because we do not know of any other cars in the neighbor's camera. Or do we? Was that information omitted from the reports? You know, what about foot traffic on that darn camera? If the camera only caught the red of his car, why would it not catch people walking by around that time?

 

[Curious Cathy]

He is running from someone.

 

[carterkatt]

BBM - I keep coming back to this. It looks (to me) like he thought (IF it was him going home at 2:41 + out again at 2:50) he was running out + would be coming right back home, quickly. Who, where, what is the big question. He gets home + IM is not there yet. What could he have been doing that he thought would only take a few minutes + he wouldn't need his wallet for? We know $300 was found in the garage, but we don't know what if any cash he had in his pocket. Maybe he thought he was just going to the store for ____ some little thing he only needed $10 for + didn't need ID or credit card so no need for the wallet. BUT what CHANGED then? How do the events, so routine + normal suddenly change in so few minutes into a man disappearing without a trace? The only thing I can think of + keep coming back to is - He ran out to meet someone, for what he thought was going to be a couple minutes + he'd be right back home, before or about the same time as IM to begin the family weekend. Maybe that meet turned out to not be what he had in mind. JMO

I think we may have mentioned this threads and threads ago... but it always made me wonder if he had two wallets: One for work (such as those nylon types w/ velcro closure) and a leather one for other times. Maybe he left the work one home. Maybe "someone" that reported that the wallet was found did not clarify because if that is the case that he has the other one w/ him, it would sound more like he planned to leave.

 

[Curious Cathy]

Now the familiy insists he left the wallet home that day when he went to work, and I believe if he had a tendency to do so then that could be accurate. However, was the wallet left inside the house in the morning? Did he tell IM he left his wallet home? If the wallet was found in the garage later, how do they know he did not have it with him at work?

Why is this relevent? Because we might like to know if he moved his wallet from the house to the garage? If he ever went INTO the house before he dropped all that stuff off in the garage.

 

[windstorm]

BBM - I keep coming back to this. It looks (to me) like he thought (IF it was him going home at 2:41 + out again at 2:50) he was running out + would be coming right back home, quickly. Who, where, what is the big question. He gets home + IM is not there yet. What could he have been doing that he thought would only take a few minutes + he wouldn't need his wallet for? We know $300 was found in the garage, but we don't know what if any cash he had in his pocket. Maybe he thought he was just going to the store for ____ some little thing he only needed $10 for + didn't need ID or credit card so no need for the wallet. BUT what CHANGED then? How do the events, so routine + normal suddenly change in so few minutes into a man disappearing without a trace? The only thing I can think of + keep coming back to is - He ran out to meet someone, for what he thought was going to be a couple minutes + he'd be right back home, before or about the same time as IM to begin the family weekend. Maybe that meet turned out to not be what he had in mind. JMO

I've always thought that IF this is some random disappearance or a disappearance with RM leaving willingly, it's very possible he forgot to grab the lobsters (or whatever it was) for the BBQ so had to run back to get those. Maybe had the debit card or cash in his pocket. My hubby doesn't even carry a wallet. His "stuff" (ID, money, etc) just goes in his pockets.