GUILTY NY - Several people hit by box truck in NYC; at least 8 killed, several injured, Oct 2017 *arrest*

[Mountain Misst]

Download attachment: .pdf document at FBI site... USA v Saipov

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/complaint-us-v-sayfullo-saipov

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

ISIS is not the same as Muslim. This was about hate and violence. Just like Eric Rudolph, who was never about Christianity.

This was about hate and violence in the name of Allah. So I would call him an Islamic terrorist.

 

[bluesneakers]

This was about hate and violence in the name of Allah. So I would call him an Islamic terrorist.

And I would call Eric Rudolph a Christian terrorist.

Some of the men on CARIIS' list were not attached to any religion in particular though.

 

[katydid23]

ISIS is not the same as Muslim. This was about hate and violence. Just like Eric Rudolph, who was never about Christianity.

The Atlantic explains it very well:

What ISIS Really Wants
The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategy—and for how to stop it.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been its leader since May 2010, but until last summer, his most recent known appearance on film was a grainy mug shot from a stay in U.S. captivity at Camp Bucca during the occupation of Iraq. Then, on July 5 of last year, he stepped into the pulpit of the Great Mosque of al-Nuri in Mosul, to deliver a Ramadan sermon as the first caliph in generations—upgrading his resolution from grainy to high-definition, and his position from hunted guerrilla to commander of all Muslims. The inflow of jihadists that followed, from around the world, was unprecedented in its pace and volume, and is continuing.

The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

 

[katydid23]

And I would call Eric Rudolph a Christian terrorist.

Some of the men on CARIIS' list were not attached to any religion in particular though.

I agree that Rudolph was an extremist Christian terrorist.

 

[Stunned]

IMO, you cannot be a Christian Terrorist, a Muslim Terrorist or a Islamic Terrorist. The two words just don't go together. You are simply a terrorist.

 

[Elley Mae]

IMO, you cannot be a Christian Terrorist, a Muslim Terrorist or a Islamic Terrorist. The two words just don't go together. You are simply a terrorist.

He is a muslim and he wanted to carry the isis flag in the truck and hospital room. So imo he is a radical islamic terrorist.



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The notes also used the phrases "no god but God and Muhammad is His true prophet," both of which are sayings affiliated with ISIS.

Prosecutors said they found two cellphones at the scene, with one of the phones containing 90 videos and thousands of images associated with ISIS. Saipov told investigators he was inspired to carry out the attack based off videos he watched on his cellphone.

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After colliding with a school bus during the attack, Saipov allegedly exited the truck and yelled "Allahu Akbar."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/terrorism-charges-filed-against-nyc-attack-suspect-sayfullo-saipov/

 

[Elley Mae]

“If you take up arms against the United States in the name of radical Islam, you should be treated as a terrorist,” said Mr. Graham, who has spent more than 30 years as a military lawyer.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/1/wh-saipov-should-be-considered-enemy-combatant/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Facts are facts

[h=1]WHITE MEN HAVE COMMITTED MORE MASS SHOOTINGS THAN ANY OTHER GROUP[/h]
Statistics show that since 1982, the majority of mass shootings — 54 percent — were committed by white men,



http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602

not an opinion a fact

now what??

Thanks for the link.

Do you have a link that shows the total casualties/victims of white mass murderers compared to how many lives were taken or injured have been done by Islamic terrorists who have also committed mass murder or injuries on our soil? We know that the FBI and state/local police agencies have been able to thwart many of the Islamic terrorists from carrying out their dastardly plans to murder us in mass. So even though unsuccessful they certain planned to murder us in mass. Those should be added to the Islamic terrorists list who wanted to murder us. The FBI has over a 1000 open cases that involves possible Islamic terrorists in our own country.

I think those two totals would be very interesting to know so it can be known who has taken more lives and injured more in mass killings.

Plus terrorist attacks have also killed in great number including our military overseas such as on the US Cole or the Marine barracks in the 1980s and in Benghazi. etc. Those losses of life and injured must be counted too since they were murdered or injured by terrorists and were American citizens. Fanatical extremists have been doing terrorist attacks and murdering and injuring our citizens for decades now.

In every country the majority of crime is committed by its on citizens whether its in the US or elsewhere. That just makes common sense. White males are in the majority so I thought it would be higher than 54%. . I was surprised to read though from your link that AAs do 16% of mass killings when they are only around 12-13% of our population.

JMO

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

:waitasec: Shouldn't this discussion be on Rampage Killings and Terrorist Attacks forum?

It was but it got moved here.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In NYC alone the NYPD have found, arrested, 33 Islamic terrorists who have been convicted of plotting to carryout terrorists attacks against the citizens of the US. That does not include the one that carried out his vile acts on Halloween.

While it is true that there has been fanatical christian extremists who have murdered due to their religious beliefs it cannot begin to compare to the lives taken by Islamic extremists who did the same in the name of their religion.

The abortion doctor killer (SR) was a christian extremist and Rudolph was most likely one too along with being anti-government, but neither were mass murderers since SR killed one and ER killed one and maimed one. The FBI defines mass murder where more than four victims were involved.

JMO

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

In the criminal complaint the FBI discusses who ISIS is and how they encourage
their followers - "don't sit at home and give up...ignite a bomb, stab a kaffir or shoot a politician!"

It also goes on to say that kaffir is an Arabic term generally meaning "disbelievers" (i.e., non-Muslims).

This was a hate crime in the name of religion IMO. I think the FBI believes that as well. JMO

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1008081/download

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

New York City terror suspect Sayfullo Saipov was so proud of the carnage he caused that he asked investigators if he could display the ISIS flag in his hospital room, authorities said.

"[He] stated that he felt good about what he had done," a criminal complaint against the 29-year-old Uzbekistan native said.

Saipov also wanted to put the terror group's flags on the rented truck he allegedly used to plow into a Manhattan bike path but decided against it because it could draw attention before he carried out the attack that killed eight and injured 11, authorities said.

After the assault on Tuesday, authorities found a note in Arabic and English about 10 feet from the truck. According to an FBI affidavit, it read:

"No God but God and Muhammad is his Prophet ... Islamic Supplication. It will endure."

"'It will endure' is commonly used to refer to ISIS,'" the FBI said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/n...t-sayfullo-saipov-recently-fell-under-n816741

 

[Bernina]

Our government is not protecting us from the very real and present danger of Islam. Our government prefers to sacrifice innocent people on the altar of political correctness. They disgust me.

We didn't need anyone from Uzbekistan to come here. Let them stay in their own country.

We need to stop all immigration.

While we're at it, let's round up all the White Supremacists, KKK, anti-government types, etc. Or how about white males between 18 and 40? Let's concentrate on the biggest population of "would be" murderers, profile them, and lock them up.

With that kind of reasoning, all the Catholics would be imprisoned for the actions of pediphile priests, the Mormons for the actions of the FDLS,..............OMG.

ISIL/Daesh is a perversion of Islam, just as there is perversions of Christianity and the right to carry firearms.

 

[Hraefn]

Seems more and more that this thread belongs in the politivent forum.

Terrorism comes with nearly every religion, including Muslim and Christianity. The KKK swears to uphold Christianity, its morals and values. Still, virtually every Christian I know has denounced the KKK. Similarly with Muslims and Isis.

Racial profiling is illegal in this country for a reason (many reasons actually). Criminal profiling is not always illegal. There is a very big difference in the two.

If you need some information on Christian terrorism check here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
You may be surprised what you learn goes on around the globe in the name of Christianity. No one religion is to blame. The terrorists are.

 

[Audrey Horne]

In every country the majority of crime is committed by its on citizens whether its in the US or elsewhere. That just makes common sense. White males are in the majority so I thought it would be higher than 54%. . I was surprised to read though from your link that AAs do 16% of mass killings when they are only around 12-13% of our population.

JMO

White males make up 31 percent of the population but commit 54 percent of mass shootings.

 

[Elley Mae]

Court papers filed Wednesday said Saipov’s obsession with the Islamic State terror group was already in full bloom by the time he moved to Paterson a few months ago.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...fe-shocked-horrified-attack-article-1.3606835

 

[dotr]

http://wfla.com/2017/11/02/concern-grows-over-muslim-backlash-after-nyc-terror-attack/

[h=1]Concern grows over Muslim backlash after NYC terror attack[/h]

The Council on American Islamic Relations says a number of mosques in the New Jersey area have already received threats.

Hassan Shibly with Florida CAIR says he is concerned about retaliation.

“It seems when it comes to the Muslim community in particular like to blame the entire eight million faith community in this country for the horrific acts of a deranged monster that we have nothing to do with, that we abhor,” said Shibly.

According to Shibly, Saipov was not well known at any Mosque in the area.

“The truth of the matter is, it’s undeniable that he wasn’t very visible there, he wasn’t very well known there, he wasn’t very involved there,” said Shibly. “And that’s not surprising because we are hearing he may have been influenced by ISIS propaganda, well the first thing ISIS wants to do is cut people off from the mosques and cut them of from the community because according to their very own propaganda, they recognize that the mosques reject their extremist, deviant, blasphemous, hieratical, violent messaging.”

 

[rosemadderlake]

Seems more and more that this thread belongs in the politivent forum.

Terrorism comes with nearly every religion, including Muslim and Christianity. The KKK swears to uphold Christianity, its morals and values. Still, virtually every Christian I know has denounced the KKK. Similarly with Muslims and Isis.

Racial profiling is illegal in this country for a reason (many reasons actually). Criminal profiling is not always illegal. There is a very big difference in the two.

If you need some information on Christian terrorism check here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
You may be surprised what you learn goes on around the globe in the name of Christianity. No one religion is to blame. The terrorists are.

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"Terrorism comes with nearly every religion" Where did they learn... ?

 

[dotr]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/attack-victims-honored-city-investigators-seek-answers-50902318

People walk carrying lit candles along Hudson River during a vigil and memorial march near the crime scene to remember the victims of the recent truck attack on Thurs

[h=1]Attack victims honored as city, investigators, seek answers[/h]

Some of the marchers carried candles as city lights twinkled on the water. Others pushed bicycles in solidary with the victims, who were cut down on the long bike path that runs the length of Manhattan's Hudson River waterfront.

The mourners included Harry Kassen, a student at the Manhattan school where one of the victims, Nicholas Cleves, 23, worked part-time.

"You never think it is going to be someone you know," said Kassen, 17. He said he'd just recently worked with Cleves on lighting and sound for a school performance.

"We were up in the tech booth, chatting. Then, two weeks later, here we are. And he's gone," Kassen said.

New York officials on Thursday began to put up temporary concrete barriers at 57 locations where it is possible for vehicles to turn onto the bike bath where the attack took place.

Long stretches of the path are shielded from traffic by berms planted with trees and shrubs, but vehicles have gotten onto it before. A cyclist was killed at nearly the same spot where some of the victims were struck in 2006 when a drunk driver entered the path by mistake.

For years, the city and private property owners concerned about truck bombs and other attacks have been gradually installing thousands of metal posts to block vehicles from getting onto sidewalks and public plazas