NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #1

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  • #21
What was their relationship like prior to the night of her disappearance?

I heard he was a bit awkward - not really friendly to the loved ones. IN the wake of her murder, he wasn't much help - at all, is my understanding. Oh, but he keeps the ring...

Game on.
 
  • #22
Have friends spoken out?

In a fashion similar to the convenient silence of Det. Lennon - friends have, over time, lost interest, is my understanding.
 
  • #23
Bribing police officers is a common practice of those of that pursuasion. I actually tried to remove that from my post - due to lack of evidence - but I couldn;t. Just my luck it becomes the area of interest ! Grr...

It could be true-but we don't know for certain...I used to work for a guy who had many well-connected fellas as customers-none of them were musicians, though. It does sound like the fiance could fill in some of the blanks, at the very least, right? Interesting that he remained in the area, but either he is not involved in Sylvia's disappearance, or he isn't afraid he will be arrested
 
  • #24
Noted today that under her Mental Condition is written: Depressed.

O...

Sourced most likely from her parents. Indicative of a stressful, unhappy relationship. Now, let's just take a hypothetical - perhaps if her demeanor had been luisted as upbeat, confident, pleasant.
Well then, these terms would appear much different... but no - we have her - mentally conveying to others a depressed state of mind.

Let's not dismiss the mistakes that take place in LE. Look at the Marci Trimble case - I will be posting a story about that soon. LE are great - we love them, but we learn our mistakes, as humans, wee learn from our mistakes.

Stiill, I turn to Kubrick - a quote used to describe the position of the monolith found buried on a distant moon,,, apparently... and... deliberately... buried.
 
  • #25
Ok- it is Staten Island, and he has an Italian last name (as do I), but how sure are you that he has Mafia ties? Interesting that he came home with her glasses, but not the girl. Does her family know exactly how long it was between the time they last saw Sylvia and when the boyfriend turned up with her glasses? The reason I ask is because that could tell whether or not she was taken out of Staten Island ( if the boyfriend disappeared her...). Her family may have some information-you are right about people in the 70's always saying "she just left and never came back", and the police often didn't pursue it.


Evidence shows - per boyfriend's eyewitness statement:

"she threw her glasses on the dashboard, and ran off."

Deduced possible Fact- He obvi forgot the glasses after he did what he did -

Deduced possible Fact: Why in the HELL would anyone run off - without their glasses.

None too bright boyfriend, eh?
 
  • #26
Are there any more facts available?

These two tales draw parallels... I penned these. I introduce only to remind us how far our commitment to LE should go.




The Marcia Trimble Case - 1975

Human error lives, exists and impacts every feature of our service –based economy. When the clerk at the cash register returns extra change, when the trader at the stock exchange buys stock when he was supposed to sell it, and even when the cook at the deli forgets to put cheese on a sandwich, errors happen.

Unfortunately, errors will take place at moments of critical importance. There have been numerous police investigations over the course of history that have become so popular as a result of police, or more appropriately defined, human error. In fact, cases that center on human error actually become more well known than cases where the bad guy is apprehended. I would like to share with you one event, relevant to Sylvia’s case, that involves one of the biggest cases of human error, and it involves an innocent, nine year old girl.

It was 1975 in suburban Nashville. Children played outside -roaming neighborhoods together without worry of restrictive curfews instituted by distressed parents. Dogs ran free in a leash-free land. It was a place where unconditional freedom flourished with safety as its driving force. Boys played basketball while girls jumped rope and sold Girl Scout cookies. One early evening in February, everything changed.

Nine year old Marcia Trimble sat on her front porch counting the coins within her money purse when Mrs. Henry drove by in her station wagon and pulled into the Henry driveway across the street-one house over. Mrs. Trimble was in the kitchen, busy fixing dinner, while Mr. Trimble relaxed with a scotch while reading the newspaper in the living room. He, like Mrs. Henry, had just returned home. It was 6:00 p.m. in America, and this setting played out in all American neighborhoods suburban.

Marcia came inside and let her mom know of Mrs. Henry’s return, and she ran off to execute the trade of coin for cookie.

She never returned. Within hours, the quiet, safe neighborhood of Green Hills transformed into a stretch of land scoured with searching police officers. Law enforcement from all over were welcomed to join the search and trample the crime scene. Even the rookies from the academy hopped on a bus to help out. As the days turned to weeks, state police and even the FBI arrived. The media became enthralled by a case carrying much mystery. Where did this little girl go? One evening, an ambitious, young reporter knocked on the Trimble’s door after they stated they would not give any interviews. She begged for some time.

“My name is Oprah Winfrey,” she said with courage and after a brief exchange, she got the interview.

The woods next to and behind all of the neighboring houses were searched over and over again, still, no clues emerged. Lead investigators assumed that the little girl must have been abducted by car, and they expanded the search, running the costs to even greater levels.

Finally, months later, Easter Sunday arrived. A neighbor went out to his back shed, one without any closure or door. He was grabbing chairs for the guests who were set to arrive. Under a tarp, in the back corner of a structure searched 12 times by police lay the body of Marcia Trimble. The garage was 200 yards from the Trimble’s front door.

There is a bond between Marcia’s case and Sylvia’s case: law enforcement made critical mistakes in the decision-making process. By inviting additional police to invade a crime scene, the lead investigators in Marcia’s case authorized a concentrated contamination which permitted all that time to pass. In Sylvia’s case, we’re still not sure about the decision-making process –was there one? How can the individual who last saw her not be considered a viable suspect?



The Case of Robert Durst and Kathleen McCormack (1982)
Now, this is a carbon copy of the Sylvia A. Lwowski case. In the 2010 film “All Good Things,” there’s a scene where Kathleen McCormack’s brother is driving around the neighborhood distributing posters with a picture of his missing sister. He stops, and presses his head against the wheel and begins to weep. Can you blame him? At that moment, his mind must have triggered the thought of how can this be going on? Why isn’t something being done? How can there be no investigation? Today, both cases remain open and foul play has to be suspected.
Robert Durst was the son of Seymour Durst, a real estate mogul in Manhattan with a high profile network of contacts, including senators and elected officials who made decisions at his disposal in order to save his son.
<redacted sentence>
The similarities are endless. The only difference between these two cases is that the Durst Case was investigated thoroughly, while Sylvia Lwowski&#8217;s case has never been investigated.
Thankfully, it doesn&#8217;t require a passing grade on a test, a diploma from an academy, and a few years experience in the field to gain the benefit of common sense. Historically, one must look at similar cases, and if we apply common sense there is clear indication that the only thing &#8220;missing&#8221; in this case is the application of common sense. Remember the old excuse people used to give when a person went missing? It had been the &#8220;runaway&#8221; excuse. Well, as history as shown, whenever this excuse is used, it always turns out that lies are involved. Now, the Missing Person excuse has assumed the position as the top excuse used by deceptive individuals who lie. The following statement has to be studied by law enforcement detective across this country: Foul Play&#8217;s greatest ally is the &#8220;missing person&#8221; excuse. Common sense tells us to analyze historical cases, and when we do, we see that all signs, especially, most certainly, with respect to Kathleen McCormack&#8217;s and Sylvia Lwowski&#8217;s cases, point to them having been murdered.
 
  • #27
I heard he was a bit awkward - not really friendly to the loved ones. IN the wake of her murder, he wasn't much help - at all, is my understanding. Oh, but he keeps the ring...

Game on.

How is it that the fiance keeps Sylvia's engagement ring since on the report it is listed that she was wearing it when she went missing?

Did she throw the engagement ring on the dashboard, too, during the argument and her fiance reported it to LE and/or family later?
 
  • #28
How is it that the fiance keeps Sylvia's engagement ring since on the report it is listed that she was wearing it when she went missing?

Did she throw the engagement ring on the dashboard, too, during the argument and her fiance reported it to LE and/or family later?

I was wondering about this, too
 
  • #29
The Case of Robert Durst and Kathleen McCormack (1982)
Now, this is a carbon copy of the Sylvia A. Lwowski case. In the 2010 film “All Good Things,” there’s a scene where Kathleen McCormack’s brother is driving around the neighborhood distributing posters with a picture of his missing sister. He stops, and presses his head against the wheel and begins to weep. Can you blame him? At that moment, his mind must have triggered the thought of how can this be going on? Why isn’t something being done? How can there be no investigation? Today, both cases remain open and foul play has to be suspected.
Robert Durst was the son of Seymour Durst, a real estate mogul in Manhattan with a high profile network of contacts, including senators and elected officials who made decisions at his disposal in order to save his son.
<redacted sentence>
The similarities are endless. The only difference between these two cases is that the Durst Case was investigated thoroughly, while Sylvia Lwowski’s case has never been investigated.
Thankfully, it doesn’t require a passing grade on a test, a diploma from an academy, and a few years experience in the field to gain the benefit of common sense. Historically, one must look at similar cases, and if we apply common sense there is clear indication that the only thing “missing” in this case is the application of common sense. Remember the old excuse people used to give when a person went missing? It had been the “runaway” excuse. Well, as history as shown, whenever this excuse is used, it always turns out that lies are involved. Now, the Missing Person excuse has assumed the position as the top excuse used by deceptive individuals who lie. The following statement has to be studied by law enforcement detective across this country: Foul Play’s greatest ally is the “missing person” excuse. Common sense tells us to analyze historical cases, and when we do, we see that all signs, especially, most certainly, with respect to Kathleen McCormack’s and Sylvia Lwowski’s cases, point to them having been murdered.

I am familiar with the Durst case, as it took place close to where I live. Durst was, in fact, well connected and that helped him escape scrutiny in the case of his wife Kathleen. He continued to get into trouble, which is what brought the law down on him. I haven't been able to determine (yet) if the fiance in the Lwowski case is similarly well connected, and it looks like he hasn't gotten into any trouble subsequent to Sylvia's disappearance.
 
  • #30
Is there any indication, by any of Sylvia's relatives or friends, that she was ever physically abused? If she wasn't it is not necessarily indicative that the fiance didn't do something to her, but if she was...well then, that could be something to hang your hat on
 
  • #31
I heard he was a bit awkward - not really friendly to the loved ones. IN the wake of her murder, he wasn't much help - at all, is my understanding. Oh, but he keeps the ring...

Game on.

Wasn't much help... as in detached, uncaring or crushed?

From reading I understood that the ring was listed as the jewellery that she was wearing when she disappeared, a heart shaped ring

Did that fact change at some point?
Because its a rather important issue
If she was wearing it and now he has it....When and how did he get it?

I don't know how the depression angle comes into play here
I guess if you believe she ran away or committed suicide and disappeared herself, then it is an important fact

Her mental health says she was unhappy, stressed about something
I wonder what that was. Was it a bad relationship? Was she afraid of him?
She was a young, lovely woman.


PS These old eyes have a very hard time reading the light coloured print, Gajonka
 
  • #32
Evidence shows - per boyfriend's eyewitness statement:

"she threw her glasses on the dashboard, and ran off."
Deduced possible Fact- He obvi forgot the glasses after he did what he did -

Deduced possible Fact: Why in the HELL would anyone run off - without their glasses.

None too bright boyfriend, eh?[/B][/COLOR]



That seems to be a rather strange comment, indeed

Speculating here... but the glasses could have come off in a scuffle and went unnoticed until she was reported missing. That is assuming the police even looked at his car

Was this ever investigated as a crime?
Was anyone ever named a POI?

I really wish you could encourage someone who is in the know to post with us
We are lacking important facts

There must be information out there
How does someone just drop off the face of the earth...
 
  • #33
Wasn't much help... as in detached, uncaring or crushed?

From reading I understood that the ring was listed as the jewellery that she was wearing when she disappeared, a heart shaped ring

Did that fact change at some point?
Because its a rather important issue
If she was wearing it and now he has it....When and how did he get it?

I don't know how the depression angle comes into play here
I guess if you believe she ran away or committed suicide and disappeared herself, then it is an important fact

Her mental health says she was unhappy, stressed about something
I wonder what that was. Was it a bad relationship? Was she afraid of him?
She was a young, lovely woman.


PS These old eyes have a very hard time reading the light coloured print, Gajonka

I'm in the "old eyes" club with you, :) I have a hard time reading it also.

Good point, her mental health here is very important. There is not enough information here.

Relationship with the boyfriend? History of good or bad? Was she on any anti depressants? In the 70's mental awareness was not explored as much as it is today, so its possible that she was not on anything, but keeping an open mind that there could possible be a condition she had, not known to the family. I'm not saying that the boyfriend didn't have something to do with it, just saying that in a puzzle sometimes there are many pieces, it's a matter of putting those pieces together to form some sort of picture that makes sense.

I am also confused about the ring, I would think that LE would have kept that as part of their evidence of her.
 
  • #34
I can see a woman throwing her engagement ring at her Fiance in anger
Not so much her glasses

Doesn't seem to make the same point...
 
  • #35
The ring...........

When she was reported missing, someone had to tell LE what she was wearing
The ring is listed along with clothing and a watch
How in h*ll can he have the ring?

If she returned it, why is it listed in the report?

IF he does have the ring, he had it the night she disappeared
She has never been found so it wasn't returned to him at a later date
 
  • #36
I heard he was a bit awkward - not really friendly to the loved ones. IN the wake of her murder, he wasn't much help - at all, is my understanding. Oh, but he keeps the ring...

Game on.

"In the wake of her murder he wasn't much help" is that a typo?
 
  • #37
"In the wake of her murder he wasn't much help" is that a typo?

LOL

I don't believe gajonka means at the wake as in..

in the wake of something
following or as a result of something

I was confused too!!!!!!
 
  • #38
Wasn't much help... as in detached, uncaring or crushed?

From reading I understood that the ring was listed as the jewellery that she was wearing when she disappeared, a heart shaped ring

Did that fact change at some point?
Because its a rather important issue
If she was wearing it and now he has it....When and how did he get it?

I don't know how the depression angle comes into play here
I guess if you believe she ran away or committed suicide and disappeared herself, then it is an important fact

Her mental health says she was unhappy, stressed about something
I wonder what that was. Was it a bad relationship? Was she afraid of him?
She was a young, lovely woman.


PS These old eyes have a very hard time reading the light coloured print, Gajonka

As Dushi said previously, it seems very difficult to both commit suicide, and hide your own body, so I don't believe this is what happened-even if you jump off of a bridge, the body is frequently found. This is pretty far-fetched, but is it possible that she is in witness protection? I really don't know how this works, but would your family know if you are? Again, very low on my possibility radar. It seems likely that the fiance, at the very least, knows more than he has said. I wonder if he really did get the ring back (and not just the musings of the salesman who knows him)?
 
  • #39
The ring...........

When she was reported missing, someone had to tell LE what she was wearing
The ring is listed along with clothing and a watch
How in h*ll can he have the ring?

If she returned it, why is it listed in the report?

IF he does have the ring, he had it the night she disappeared
She has never been found so it wasn't returned to him at a later date

Quote:
"The ring is listed along with clothing and a watch"

If they have the ring and not her body, maybe they found the ring somewhere? That would be a clue as to what direction she might have gone after she exited the car.

It still does not explain why LE would hand over the ring to the boyfriend though.
 
  • #40
Gajonka-we are definitely going to need more information. If the brother would like to, he can PM any of us-or pass the information on to you. The fiance isn't easy to find, as you said. I have had some success locating people who don't want to surface-I will see what I can do
 
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