NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #1

[epiphany]

At the time of the engagement announcement (Date of article??), Sylvia is described as a Senior Bio major.

 

[Dushi]

At the time of the engagement announcement (Date of article??), Sylvia is described as a Senior Bio major.

So, we don't know how long the engagement was yet?

 

[epiphany]

Ok- it is Staten Island, and he has an Italian last name (as do I), but how sure are you that he has Mafia ties? Interesting that he came home with her glasses, but not the girl. Does her family know exactly how long it was between the time they last saw Sylvia and when the boyfriend turned up with her glasses? The reason I ask is because that could tell whether or not she was taken out of Staten Island ( if the boyfriend disappeared her...). Her family may have some information-you are right about people in the 70's always saying "she just left and never came back", and the police often didn't pursue it.

Just noticed, the police report states---Publicity Desired: No.

Yet, it doesn't appear that she had ever disappeared on her own before.

 

[Dushi]

Just noticed, the police report states---Publicity Desired: No.

Yet, it doesn't appear that she had ever left before.

Who would decide that?
Family or police?

 

[epiphany]

Who would decide that?
Family or police?

My gut tells me family, but dunno.

May have changed their minds very shortly after, but perhaps back then: too late.

 

[gajonka]

Wasn't much help... as in detached, uncaring or crushed?

From reading I understood that the ring was listed as the jewellery that she was wearing when she disappeared, a heart shaped ring

Did that fact change at some point?
Because its a rather important issue
If she was wearing it and now he has it....When and how did he get it?

I don't know how the depression angle comes into play here
I guess if you believe she ran away or committed suicide and disappeared herself, then it is an important fact

Her mental health says she was unhappy, stressed about something
I wonder what that was. Was it a bad relationship? Was she afraid of him?
She was a young, lovely woman.


PS These old eyes have a very hard time reading the light coloured print, Gajonka

I think we are missing the underlying point here - if he said she "ranaway," then ok, but let's say - as a hypothetical - she did not runaway - do you think he woulld not take the ring? c'mon?!?!?! The ring is motive.

 

[Dushi]

I think we are missing the underlying point here - if he said she "ranaway," then ok, but let's say - as a hypothetical - she did not runaway - do you think he woulld not take the ring? c'mon?!?!?! The ring is motive.

I think he may have taken the ring if she did not run away, yes
But as a poster up thread suggested.. her Mom filed the report which stated what she was wearing

They argued, his words, she threw her glasses

I assume he has not made a statement about the ring?

So how are we to know if she had the ring on her finger or if he took it back

 

[Jmoose]

OTOH, Sylvia's fiance may have demanded or asked for it back. Perhaps, he called off the engagement/marriage.

The engagement ring may have had substantial value. Would want it returned.

Either way, Ms. Lwowski's mother appeared to be unaware of the ring being returned to Sylvia's fiance at the time she reported her daughter missing.

If I make the assumption that he had nothing to do with her disappearance, he is certainly legally entitled to get the ring back-I just thought that maybe they didn't update her missing person report when it came out that he had the ring (if he actually does).

 

[Dushi]

Even with the little information I have, I can't wrap my head around her running away
To just disappear for 38 years?
No contact with those you love? That would be cold

And yes, I know it happens


We need more information

 

[epiphany]

I think we are missing the underlying point here - if he said she "ranaway," then ok, but let's say - as a hypothetical - she did not runaway - do you think he woulld not take the ring? c'mon?!?!?! The ring is motive.

Trying to understand...why is the engagement ring motive?

If the engagement/marriage is called off by either party>the ring "must" be returned to him if he wants it back.

She would have had to return it to him, IMO, even back then had he used the judicial system.

Do you have information that Sylvia did not want to return the ring to him?

With that said, do I think he would not demand, not ask for, or even take the engagement ring from Sylvia? No, I don't. IMO, most fiances would...

 

[Jmoose]

Even with the little information I have, I can't wrap my head around her running away
To just disappear for 38 years?
No contact with those you love? That would be cold

And yes, I know it happens


We need more information

That's where I am at right now-people do leave and drop all contact with their families, not that often. Why is it, that when people make that claim, it's always after admitting they had a fight? Those eyeglasses are a problem, too

 

[epiphany]

Ah, just saw your post, Moose re legally entitled to the ring...yes, agree with you.

 

[alliemay]

I would think if I was going to cause harm to someone I wouldn't return the glasses of that person, that is kind a strange.

 

[alliemay]

I wonder what Theater they went to that night? There was one in 1977 on Staton Island, Forest Avenue, formally called the Jerry Lewis Theater. A girl by the name of Audrey Lyn Nerenberg, 18 years old went missing in july of 77 after leaving the movie theater. Serial killer Andre Rand lived in make-shift camps not far from there.

 

[Dushi]

When they had words and she got out of the car, where were they parked?

 

[gajonka]

That seems to be a rather strange comment, indeed

Speculating here... but the glasses could have come off in a scuffle and went unnoticed until she was reported missing. That is assuming the police even looked at his car

Was this ever investigated as a crime?
Was anyone ever named a POI?

I really wish you could encourage someone who is in the know to post with us
We are lacking important facts

There must be information out there
How does someone just drop off the face of the earth...

I am working on this - and I will not use pastel colors anymore!

 

[Dushi]

I am working on this - and I will not use pastel colors anymore!

Thank you
And thank you again, LOL

 

[gajonka]

The ring...........

When she was reported missing, someone had to tell LE what she was wearing
The ring is listed along with clothing and a watch
How in h*ll can he have the ring?

If she returned it, why is it listed in the report?

IF he does have the ring, he had it the night she disappeared
She has never been found so it wasn't returned to him at a later date

Apparently, post these events... the ring was identified visually by a an eyewitness... rumor mill yes, but for it to be even introduced is strong basis...

 

[gajonka]

Is there any indication, by any of Sylvia's relatives or friends, that she was ever physically abused? If she wasn't it is not necessarily indicative that the fiance didn't do something to her, but if she was...well then, that could be something to hang your hat on

Good thinking J-mo !

 

[gajonka]

"In the wake of her murder he wasn't much help" is that a typo?

in the wake,,,

meaning post tragic events - subject was not the prodigal fiance - obvi can be downplayed due to management of grief, etc. BUT STILL...