NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #1

[Dushi]

When I first started looking at this thread I considered that it was possible that it happened as the fiance said. We don't have any actual evidence that something bad happened to her, but logically, it's unlikely that she ran away, never to contact any family member again.

This is where I sit on it also

 

[Jmoose]

This was still quite controversial in many families. Engaged couples were often not permitted to sleep in the same room at parents' homes.

Certainly not in the house I grew up in!

 

[Dushi]

Agree!! So we are speculating about pregnancy/ies, yet where did they go to be alone? Were there available places to spend time alone together, such as a peer who might allow them to use their place?

well that never seemed to be a problem when I was 22 :blushing:

 

[Jmoose]

well that never seemed to be a problem when I was 22 :blushing:

It has always been a priority at that age, and so you could always find a place to go to be alone

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Ok, the argument

They weren't together long before he says she got mad, half hour?
Why do i get the feeling this was ongoing, not a spontaneous disagreement

The other thing.. the ring

If she was mad enough to break their engagement, it would have to be a serious matter between them. not a lovers spat???

Did she give the ring back or throw it at him?

OR

Was he the one that was angry at her?
Did he take the ring ?

If he has the ring, he could justify it by saying they argued etc etc...

Was she the kind of person that flies off the handle quickly or did she have a long fuse

Re the parts BBM, I think that's exactly what the BF's explanation is supposed to make you think.

We need verification of who has the ring.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

The engagement ring is listed in the case file along with her watch.

I am assuming Sylvia has the ring. Or, her mother thought she would have the ring when filing PR? If Sylvia didn't have the ring, her mother may not know that....

Early post by Gajonka suggests BF has it.

 

[epiphany]

So the consensus seems to be that Sylvia had no female friends, her age, or either younger or older, that were living independently or semi-independently at age 22 in NYC 1975?

I dunno her...but okay, I learned something about who she was then!

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Here's something I was thinking about and I hope you can all do me a favor so we can get a consensus of different personalities and how they would react.

Please put yourself in the fiance's shoes for a minute. It's the 1970's, you're in your 20's, you're driving and your non-live-in significant other is in the passenger seat. You get into an argument (use your own imagination for what the argument would be about), and your significant other storms out of the car. There are no cell phones, facebook, etc.

What would you do?

I think I would let him go and I'd go home, or somewhere to cool off... and let him cool off as well. I don't think I would go straight to his parents house, since I wouldn't think anything was wrong other than an argument.

If I felt I was in the wrong, I might call him a few hours later to apologize. If I got no answer, I might go to his house to apologize, or I might think he didn't want to talk to me yet and give it more time. I wouldn't get his parents involved in our business.

If I felt HE was in the wrong, I probably would wait at least a day, maybe even longer, thinking he should call me to apologize. If I got a call from his family saying he never came home, however, I would probably get worried and start trying to find him.

I wouldn't think he was missing otherwise.

If I did hear he was missing from his family, even if THEY didn't want publicity, I would - I was the last person to see him, and assuming I wasn't guilty of anything, I would want anyone who saw him walking alone to come forward... and I would feel guilty that the argument happened, would want him to know I loved him, etc... I'd be posting signs and contacting the newspaper, etc.

That's me... maybe other people would have different reactions.

I would not leave them on foot, and leave with the car. I would stay put, or nearby, or follow and try to convince to get back in -- in this case, esp. because they are so far from her home! Didn't someone earlier say the theater was in Port Richmond, whereas her home was Tottenville? What guy would leave his GF to walk home? Was PT that easy to find and did it run that frequently?

 

[Dushi]

may have already been posted but it doesn't hurt to post again

http://newyorkstatemissingpersons.ning.com/photo/sylvia-alice-lwowski-staten?context=latest

 

[GoingByMyGut]

We have speculated about a second pregnancy and its been said that she did not have the ring

But neither point is verfied, right? I have seen no verification ...

 

[rosemadderlake]

Please send me - each of you - if you'd like - and if you would be kind enough - your top five questions.
She def did not runaway - and the bf was def not helpful.

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1. What was the temperament of this couple? - Loving, sweet? -Tempestuous, volatile?
2. What was the argument about? -Or the speculation about? Talk around town.
3. How was the fiancé not helpful? - After her “disappearance, or always?
4. They say Sylvia was depressed, is this true? Was she unhappy?
5. Why did her family want “no publicity desired” after Sylvia’s disappearance?

 

[epiphany]

:what:

I believe a second pregnancy is speculation-Does Gajonka know?

So is the first one at this time.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Sylvia's father was one of 8 children-1 or 2 were younger than he was.

So "dependents" could be disabled parents, widowed mother, younger siblings, children of an older sibling ... still so many possibilities in addition to earlier marriage.

 

[epiphany]

may have already been posted but it doesn't hurt to post again

http://newyorkstatemissingpersons.ning.com/photo/sylvia-alice-lwowski-staten?context=latest

Why no dental information available, indicated here and NamUs? Would one not grab the dental records/chart from her dentist within a year or two?

She appears to have had beautiful teeth. Must have had some dental care/visits to a dentist in US? If not, why not?

 

[Dushi]

From the above link

Highschool friends thought she was a nice girl

many still didn't know she was missing in 2012

Heart shaped diamond ring, very unique

 

[epiphany]

From the above link

Highschool friends thought she was a nice girl

many still didn't know she was missing in 2012

Heart shaped diamond ring, very unique

BBM

Was she an over-achiever? A top academic student? How important were academics? Any scholarships?

 

[GoingByMyGut]

When I first started looking at this thread I considered that it was possible that it happened as the fiance said. We don't have any actual evidence that something bad happened to her, but logically, it's unlikely that she ran away, never to contact any family member again.

Re the part BBM: I'm not seeing a lot of family to contact ... and it's possible she wouldn't want to put her mother in a position of conflict. In other words, not contacting Mom might have been a way of protecting Mom from Dad's wrath. Who else is there? We know nothing.

I understand the gut reaction (heh-heh, say my name, say my name), but I need more info.

 

[epiphany]

The old "What's a nice girl like this...?" comes to mind.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

So the consensus seems to be that Sylvia had no female friends, her age, or either younger or older, that were living independently or semi-independently at age 22 in NYC 1975?

I dunno her...but okay, I learned something about who she was then!

She HAD to have school friends ... from Wagner? Or at the time, was Wagner such an extension of the SI high school experience that you really didn't meet so many new people? FWIW, I don't think this is consensus, but lack of info?

 

[epiphany]

She HAD to have school friends ... from Wagner? Or at the time, was Wagner such an extension of the SI high school experience that you really didn't meet so many new people? FWIW, I don't think this is consensus, but lack of info?

Commuter student in college...perhaps, it's her HS and neighborhood GFs who would know more about who she was!