NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #2

[Dushi]

I need to know what time this radio show starts on Sunday please.
And can it be listened to after the fact.

As if I don't have enough stress.... I have a Chef coming for dinner on Sunday!!!

 

[epiphany]

I need to know what time this radio show starts on Sunday please.
And can it be listened to after the fact.

As if I don't have enough stress.... I have a Chef coming for dinner on Sunday!!!

Yes, radio show is available to hear after it has aired.

O/T: What's for eats?

 

[Dushi]

Yes, radio show is available to hear after it has aired.

O/T: What's for eats?

O/T
She owns a high end Italian place
She wants normal food!!
Doing burgers with a great cheese and nice mustards
A baked potato casserole
Spinach salad with raspberries and blueberries in a light dressing
Home made coleslaw

I made pate this week so will serve that with a baguette and brie for appetizer

LOTS of wine

Lemon merigue cheesecake pie


Nervous nellie here

 

[epiphany]

She owns a high end Italian place
She wants normal food!!
Doing burgers with a great cheese and nice mustards
A baked potato casserole
Spinach salad with raspberries and blueberries in a light dressing
Home made coleslaw

I made pate this week so will serve that with a baguette and brie for appetizer

LOTS of wine

Lemon merigue cheesecake pie

Nervous nellie here

Menu sounds delicious...Meet for dinner at Dushi's place on Sunday!

 

[epiphany]

Since there does not appear to have been a history of arguing between the engaged couple, I lean towards the argument that evening was about either another male she once had been interested in, or she was currently interested in, or about a male who may have been currently interested in her.

IMO others would know who this other male (if he exists) might have been.

 

[epiphany]

Engagement rings do not prevent one or others from pursuing relationships.

 

[rosemadderlake]

IMHO there would be one source only that could provide information about the argument.
The man who stated there was an argument.

I would not really be surprised if he was not forthcoming about the details.

Everything we know about what Sylvia and BF/F did that night comes from one source.
They were alone.

Others can tell us about days/hours leading up to that night, about behavior after that night.

But everything about those few hours before Sylvia disappeared comes from BF/F

Good points Dushi: Let me rephrase: I find it hard to believe that SL's family and friends did not hear about the nature of the argument, or didn't find out later... Somehow, the silence tells me that.

MMQC is bravely sharing what she can, imo. She has been the only insider willing to speak on behalf of her friend. Understandably, it could be a mine field given the circumstances.

I think the point I was trying to make is the BF/F may have told the family what his version of what the argument was about and it just hasn't been shared here. I also wonder if several conflicting stories were told.

...Someone knows something...

 

[epiphany]

BF/F discovered something and confronted SL about it that evening. Whatever that was may have led to the argument they were likely engaged in...what had he learned about that precipitated the argument that night?

 

[Jmoose]

bbm: --Or a full story not revealed here which is understandable- others may know. All we know is there was an argument, that sent SL's nearest and dearest searching for her that night. What could set that kind of reaction in motion?

I find it hard to believe that SL's family and friends do not know the nature of the argument, or didn't find out later... Somehow, the silence tells me that.

Personally, if I was told absolutely nothing from the BF/F, I would be moving boulders in addition to shaking the trees, very publicly to find out what happened.

I am under the impression that they did try, over and over again, but were stonewalled by the BF/F and by the police in the 122 precinct-remember, MMQC had to have her father speak to the ADA next door to get even a little action going. My sense of this is that this investigation was shut down very quickly, possibly because that's just what the police did in those days when an adult took off after an argument. They also used to decline to investigate right away when it appeared that a teenager was a runaway-Websleuths is full of cold cases of children and adults just like this-they assumed that the person would return and wouldn't have to waste their time looking right away. I really wish that one or both of Sylvia's parents were still alive-they would certainly have at least some of the information that we need. There isn't enough information that can be provided by our two VIs.

 

[Dushi]

Good points Dushi: Let me rephrase: I find it hard to believe that SL's family and friends did not hear about the nature of the argument, or didn't find out later... Somehow, the silence tells me that.

MMQC is bravely sharing what she can, imo. She has been the only insider willing to speak on behalf of her friend. Understandably, it could be a mine field given the circumstances.

I think the point I was trying to make is the BF/F may have told the family what his version of what the argument was about and it just hasn't been shared here. I also wonder if several conflicting stories were told.

...Someone knows something...

That could be very true Rose
He may have given some sort of explanation

Oh and i so agree... someone knows...

 

[Jmoose]

Since there does not appear to have been a history of arguing between the engaged couple, I lean towards the argument that evening was about either another male she once had been interested in, or she was currently interested in, or about a male who may have been currently interested in her.

IMO others would know who this other male (if he exists) might have been.

Or maybe they fought about another woman that interested him? Could she have discovered something about him that she didn't like?

 

[Jmoose]

Since there does not appear to have been a history of arguing between the engaged couple, I lean towards the argument that evening was about either another male she once had been interested in, or she was currently interested in, or about a male who may have been currently interested in her.

IMO others would know who this other male (if he exists) might have been.

I'm not convinced that this is true-they may have argued plenty (and it just hasn't surfaced)-I do agree that there is someone out there who can add pieces to this puzzle. College or neighborhood friends or acquaintances-wonder if any of them have found this site? There are often "guests" reading these posts, and I sometimes think that some may be people who knew Sylvia, and have info that they don't realize is significant

 

[epiphany]

Or maybe they fought about another woman that interested him? Could she have discovered something about him that she didn't like?

Would think that would have been jumped on had others known of or learned that he had pursued or was interested in another female (even soon after SL's disappearance).

 

[epiphany]

I think you have a good point re: the family not liking him possibly, and that might have influenced the attitude he displayed. What I am stuck on is MMQC's reaction to him-she didn't seem to like him either, and yet he sought her out to go and search for Sylvia. Afterwards, he had no use for her (MMQC) and in fact, was openly hostile to her-swearing at her months after the disappearance when she contacted him. This bothers me as much as the glasses.

Appears to have never been much mutual like/love between them even prior to SL's disappearance.

 

[Jmoose]

Would think that would have been jumped on had others known of or learned that he had pursued or was interested in another female (even soon after SL's disappearance).

Possibly, but maybe she never got the chance to tell anyone before she disappeared-and he disappeared out of the Lwowski family's life immediately. I think if Sylvia had been interested in or even seeing someone else, MMQC would know (maybe). I think he found out about her abortion, personally, and blew a gasket.

 

[epiphany]

Possibly, but maybe she never got the chance to tell anyone before she disappeared-and he disappeared out of the Lwowski family's life immediately. I think if Sylvia had been interested in or even seeing someone else, MMQC would know (maybe). I think he found out about her abortion, personally, and blew a gasket.

The termination was close to the start of her relationship with BF/F.

Information (via talk, gossip, rumor, innuendo, etc) may have gotten back to or reached him.

 

[Dushi]

If there was a woman in his life other than Sylvia, I would doubt he would discuss it with her parents.
I have never heard anything about his friends, or how they felt about Sylvia or her disappearance.

I would like to know why he thought of himself as a sucker (don't recall the exact quote)

 

[epiphany]

When was the information about the termination given to SL's parents? Don't believe her parents would have been aware of that previously.

When was the information about the termination provided to NYPD?

NYPD's job to decide whether that event was relevant or not to SL's disappearance...did NYPD have that possibly pertinent piece of information in 1975?

Ans: IMO, No.

And if not, why not?

That information may have gotten NYPD's attention.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Since there does not appear to have been a history of arguing between the engaged couple, I lean towards the argument that evening was about either another male she once had been interested in, or she was currently interested in, or about a male who may have been currently interested in her.

IMO others would know who this other male (if he exists) might have been.

Hard to say about the "history of arguing" between SL and BF/F. IMO -There is a fiery aspect to SL with her relationship with her father... And also in the BF/F with his mother...

bbm: yes, she is a beautiful 22 yr old woman, and I suspect men fell in love with her regularly... How did the BF/F handle the advances of other men? And, how aware was she of her power over men? --All of these things are playing out for the first time at this age.

I also wonder if SL had captured the attentions of an older man, professor at Wagner, maybe? It WAS the 70's.

The other feeling I get is something significant was happening following the pool party - that group of friends saw her a week before she disappeared.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

BF/F discovered something and confronted SL about it that evening. Whatever that was may have led to the argument they were likely engaged in...what had he learned about that precipitated the argument that night?

BBM: I would add, and that made him feel like "he had been made a sucker of."

That said, I do still think it's possible that SL had decided to break up with him, and that he was "suckered" bc he had made a very public display of his love for her via the ring and engagement party/announcement. (Thus prompting the rest of MMQC's statement, that "he had given her a very expensive ring and she takes off." -- could he have said "takes IT off"?) That's right up there with being left at the alter, IMO -- a kind of public humiliation.

IMO, nothing like an engagement ring to make you question to your depths whether this is what you want from life. if you aren't sure, it might make you think real hard about what you do want. It's possible she figured it out and it wasn't him. It may not even have been another guy ... could have just been another path. This was in the midst of the second wave of feminism, and SL might have been looking at other options.