NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #3

[rosemadderlake]

So Charlie Project takes information from a source and posts the interpretation that does not match the case/PR report documents she received. What is her criteria?

fyi: Your emails to CP are great, GBMG -

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Okay, another followup: The CP site administrator does not know the person who emailed her the information that precipitated the 4/15 update. She said she frequently gets and uses information from strangers, and that by and large, the information turns out to be reliable. (This put me in mind of your earlier post, Rose: "Maybe The Charlie Project is the tabloid MP site where rumor is fact, publishing speculation as fact with no links.")

However, she suggested I email the person directly and I have done that. I will let you know if and when I get an answer.

You know, it is a definite possibility that this person will turn out to be a WS sleuth ... I think anyone could have easily drawn the conclusion from the source materials that the glasses were (1) broken and (2) recovered. The problem I have is not with that, or with the zealous decision to recommend an update to the CP site, but with the information being published unchecked by CP. JMO. On the other hand, maybe the person will turn out to be connected to the case somehow ...

All right, outa here ... I feel like a one-woman show this morning. I am probably avoiding thinking about the fact that I have to go take a very old, very sick cat to be put down today. Sweet dreams, Inky Man.

 

[rosemadderlake]

You're not going to believe this. The Charley Project administrator just emailed me the source documents. Guess what they were? The engagement notice and the police report! I sent the following email in response. Any thoughts for if and when she emails me back? (These are essentially the same Qs I sent her in my first email, and she "answered" them by sending me the source dox.)

bbm: Yes, all my original questions - Who found her glasses? Where is it stated they are broken? Where is the source for that fact? The police report?

 

[Jmoose]

Okay, another followup: The CP site administrator does not know the person who emailed her the information that precipitated the 4/15 update. She said she frequently gets and uses information from strangers, and that by and large, the information turns out to be reliable. (This put me in mind of your earlier post, Rose: "Maybe The Charlie Project is the tabloid MP site where rumor is fact, publishing speculation as fact with no links.")

However, she suggested I email the person directly and I have done that. I will let you know if and when I get an answer.

You know, it is a definite possibility that this person will turn out to be a WS sleuth ... I think anyone could have easily drawn the conclusion from the source materials that the glasses were (1) broken and (2) recovered. The problem I have is not with that, or with the zealous decision to recommend an update to the CP site, but with the information being published unchecked by CP. JMO. On the other hand, maybe the person will turn out to be connected to the case somehow ...

All right, outa here ... I feel like a one-woman show this morning. I am probably avoiding thinking about the fact that I have to go take a very old, very sick cat to be put down today. Sweet dreams, Inky Man.

OT-so sorry about your cat

 

[epiphany]

We went to the sorority floor in the dorm. As far as staff? JL,sr still worked there. I would assume that was taken care of through him? Or maybe not as they were a private family.

Can't say about any log or journal. For that you'll have to ask other VI. As for the rest of the friends, I really can't say.

IMO, all parties, all families and friends remained private and withheld information from each other and about aspects of their private lives in the disappearance of SL.

Father is barely mentioned as to steps taken.

Mother appears to be carrying all the weight upon her shoulders of her daughter's disappearance.

Silence and secrets all around.

All MOO.

 

[epiphany]

I believe she had a social life/close friendships within the WC sorority and WC band.

MMQC and SL's Mother went the following day to the floor of the sorority to look/ask about SL's whereabouts, etc.

She was close to them, MO, she had relationships with them.

Same group, WC sorority and WC marching band, are in attendance at pool party. Except for MMQC, no one from elementary school, HS, neighborhood group in attendance.

Don't buy that she invited such a group to a small intimate private home gathering, but did not know them well. However, the family and MMQC did not know them.

Also, she had at least one previous relationship with an upperclassman (Navy BF) from WC.

Could just as easily have had another relationship with a WC male as well.

Had WC Navy BF been in the WC marching band? Or had he played football at WC? Perhaps, she met him through the sorority group.

 

[MMQC]

Okay, another followup: The CP site administrator does not know the person who emailed her the information that precipitated the 4/15 update. She said she frequently gets and uses information from strangers, and that by and large, the information turns out to be reliable. (This put me in mind of your earlier post, Rose: "Maybe The Charlie Project is the tabloid MP site where rumor is fact, publishing speculation as fact with no links.")

However, she suggested I email the person directly and I have done that. I will let you know if and when I get an answer.

You know, it is a definite possibility that this person will turn out to be a WS sleuth ... I think anyone could have easily drawn the conclusion from the source materials that the glasses were (1) broken and (2) recovered. The problem I have is not with that, or with the zealous decision to recommend an update to the CP site, but with the information being published unchecked by CP. JMO. On the other hand, maybe the person will turn out to be connected to the case somehow ...

All right, outa here ... I feel like a one-woman show this morning. I am probably avoiding thinking about the fact that I have to go take a very old, very sick cat to be put down today. Sweet dreams, Inky Man.

BBM - So sorry to hear that GBMG, I too am facing that possibility with one of my dogs, only not so old. She has gone blind and now is getting very skinny. Vet appointment Thursday.

 

[Jmoose]

BBM - So sorry to hear that GBMG, I too am facing that possibility with one of my dogs, only not so old. She has gone blind and now is getting very skinny. Vet appointment Thursday.

I had to do that 3 years ago with my all-time favorite, once-in-a-lifetime dog. It was hard. Everyone cried, including the vet, the techs, and even somebody out in the waiting room. MMQC, I do hope your dog will be ok-if just blind, your dog (and you) will manage.

 

[Dushi]

GBMG, MMQC

I feel for both of you.
Been in that place one too many times

 

[rosemadderlake]

IMO, all parties, all families and friends remained private and withheld information from each other and about aspects of their private lives in the disappearance of SL.

Father is barely mentioned as to steps taken.

Mother appears to be carrying all the weight upon her shoulders of her daughter's disappearance.

Silence and secrets all around.

All MOO.

Epiphany!
I read an article recently on Pat Loud – who can forget the 1973 PBS documentary ‘An American Family’? We watched in horror as this Santa Barbara family disintegrated on national television. It was all so very self-absorbed. I still cringe at the thought of publicizing such things. My own family was falling apart a year later. It was the catalyst for my leaving at 17. – My parents couldn’t find me in my own home town but they knew I was still going to school. I think they were smart because they let me breakout and resurface on my terms. – And I know my mother had spoken to a lawyer about reigning me in as she was afraid I would fly the coop for good. I can’t tell you how many times that very thought crossed my mind.

Bbm: - Yes, It appears the families retreated and withheld after SL disappeared but her mother was closest to knowing her state of mind, and knew where to look for her. I too believe that SL was able to explore another side of herself at college with friends doing exactly the same thing. --Friends, networks of friends sheltering friends, friends covering for friends, was the modus operandi because strict parents especially were viewed as a total roadblock to freedom. –And, in the affluent crowd, anyone with private yacht could have taken her anywhere. Liberal parents may have thought nothing about a new girlfriend staying with their son, or, even accompanying a family on a trip after just meeting her. She’s beautiful; she’s smart, and perhaps falling apart but totally exhilarated to break out of her stifling misery of silence…

Who is going to tell their strict parents they smoked pot? And that is just the small stuff. .. Big things like abortion, being unhappily engaged to the wrong man perhaps, living in an alcohol infused home life, and being humiliated, misunderstood, and so unacknowledged could well have been the catalyst, and then some. That is why it would have been so easy for SL to slip away spontaneously and virtually undetected especially if the focus was solely on the BF/F from the onset of her disappearance and there was no public search for her….

So the silence and secrets becomes that asset, as powerful now as it was back then, whether it knows where her body is buried, or to where and with whom she disappeared.

 

[Dushi]

I have seen the cone of silence in other cases that I have followed

 

[epiphany]

We went to the sorority floor in the dorm. As far as staff? JL,sr still worked there. I would assume that was taken care of through him? Or maybe not as they were a private family.

Can't say about any log or journal. For that you'll have to ask other VI. As for the rest of the friends, I really can't say.

Just jumping off your post MMQC:

BBM

The sorority sisters whom SL may have been closest to (other seniors who graduated with her and who knew her longer than her younger sisters) would have already permanently left campus after graduation in May/June 1975. The sorority sisters would have had the contact information for those members who graduated with SL (some who may have been at the pool party, others who may have been close to her, but were unable to attend).

Only those who had not graduated would be on campus dorm in September 1975. SL may have had close friendship/s with a few juniors...in September 1975, now seniors and living at the dorm.

Sorority floor in the dorm? Dorm rooms where residential sorority member-students lived.

IMO, this would be where couples would go to be alone since they had the opportunity for comfort and privacy, rather than outdoors or in vehicles esp at this age. My guess is that the sorority sisters at WC knew BF/F and if there were any other males interested in SL, may have known them as well.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Following up on SL's Charley Project information. I just got an email from the person who sent the info that precipitated the update. I'm including it here with no names or email addresses, BBM:

I am not personally connected to Sylvia's case in any way. I believe she may have been a "featured case" on a missing persons website, and, curious about her, I found the announcement and report with just a little poking around. The Charley Project is such a tremendous resource and I thought the additional information should be included so that those interested in her would have a little more to go on.

I am going to go back and look for the source that indicated her glasses were broken. It has been awhile since I've looked into Sylvia's case, but I remember being unclear about whether the glasses were, in fact, broken and coming across information that indicated they were. I believe it was a newspaper article, but I am not positive about that... I will get on my desktop computer and get back to you later this week with the source.

That said, Sylvia's family and friends would certainly be a much more reliable source than an old newspaper article. If they question the validity of the claim that the glasses were broken, I would propose removing it from her Charley page until someone with first-hand knowledge of the case could confirm it.

Thanks for your email, and again I'll be in touch with my source of that information.

BBM1: Hello -- this one!

BBM2: We can all appreciate the zeal behind this thought.

BBM3: I hoping this does not turn out to be speculation from this site ... I hear the hedging, but I would also be thrilled to hear that she found a newspaper article. There had to be at least one in almost 40 years, right? (Or, Dream on?)

Anyway, I emailed her back as follows (again, greetings and salutations removed) and will update you all at the end of the week if she emails me back (one way or another, this will be resolved):

Thanks so much for your quick response. I would be most interested in the source if you can dig it up again. Sylvia's brother was only 16 when she disappeared, and because her case was not deeply investigated by the police, any grain of information this many years after-the-fact would be welcome. I appreciate your efforts.

A quick P.S.
Sylvia was recently the featured missing person case on Websleuths.com. Maybe that's how the case got your attention?
Thank you again.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Following up on SL's Charley Project information. I just got an email from the person who sent the info that precipitated the update. I'm including it here with no names or email addresses, BBM:



BBM1: Hello -- this one!

BBM2: We can all appreciate the zeal behind this thought.

BBM3: I hoping this does not turn out to be speculation from this site ... I hear the hedging, but I would also be thrilled to hear that she found a newspaper article. There had to be at least one in almost 40 years, right? (Or, Dream on?)

Anyway, I emailed her back as follows (again, greetings and salutations removed) and will update you all at the end of the week if she emails me back (one way or another, this will be resolved):

Wow I am speechless! Well, this person obviously did not submit any newspaper article that backed up this claim to the Charlie Project. Thank you GBMG for fielding all of this.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Wow I am speechless! Well, this person obviously did not submit any newspaper article that backed up this claim to the Charlie Project. Thank you GBMG for fielding all of this.

Right -- that part's pretty amazing. The CP site administrator was candid about taking the word of a stranger for the update. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, since the emailer did send her source documents, maybe she was moving fast and didn't check the content of the email against the dox? She asked me to followup with her when we find out whether or not the info is accurate and she will adjust SL's CP description accordingly. I'm hopeful that this will be a lesson for all parties, moving forward.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Just had a minor freakout ... I was back-reading and saw that I included names in post 98. Shoot! And I was trying to be so careful. It's not editable by me any more. What's a person to do? I think I'll PM Bessie and see if she can do it. If I do it again, and anyone catches it, please let me know. Sorry.

 

[Steely Dan]

I'm not very schooled in this case. I only know what her brother said on Tricia's show. I made a video based on his interview. Can people who have more knowledge about this check it for mistakes please. Thanks.

Missing Person - Sylvia Alice Lwowski - YouTube

 

[rosemadderlake]

Just had a minor freakout ... I was back-reading and saw that I included names in post 98. Shoot! And I was trying to be so careful. It's not editable by me any more. What's a person to do? I think I'll PM Bessie and see if she can do it. If I do it again, and anyone catches it, please let me know. Sorry.

GBMG -Unless I need new glasses, I only see one name on your post #98, and that name is listed right on the Charlie Project website as the contact name....

 

[GoingByMyGut]

GBMG -Unless I need new glasses, I only see one name on your post #98, and that name is listed right on the Charlie Project website as the contact name....

That's one. But there are two more in the quotes. It should say "C's car" instead of what it says now. Right?

 

[GoingByMyGut]

I'm not very schooled in this case. I only know what her brother said on Tricia's show. I made a video based on his interview. Can people who have more knowledge about this check it for mistakes please. Thanks.

Missing Person - Sylvia Alice Lwowski - YouTube

Hi, Steely. Nothing plays for me. But I will watch it if you can you get it running.