NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #4

[theforgotten]

Bumping.........................

 

[theforgotten]

....................................Bumping

 

[Jmoose]

Sometimes I wonder who the "guests" that visit here are-am I crazy to contemplate that it could be "Red", or the person who caused her disappearance (if she did), or even Sylvia herself?

 

[rosemadderlake]

Bumping for ((((( Sylvia )))))
...help us find you....

 

[epiphany]

NY legislators want unidentified dead in federal database

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The New York City Office of Chief Medical Examiner contributes already. It handles the majority of cases statewide.

The recently passed legislation would ensure all counties follow, increasing the probability remains will be identified, according to sponsors.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/6/ny-legislators-want-unidentified-dead-in-federal-d/



<snip>

New York data on the website, called NamUs, show 22 counties outside New York City reported unidentified dead, including Westchester. The site has no current reports from 35 other counties.


http://www.troyrecord.com/general-n...rs-want-unidentified-dead-in-federal-database

 

[Owutatangledweb]

NY legislators want unidentified dead in federal database

<snip>

The New York City Office of Chief Medical Examiner contributes already. It handles the majority of cases statewide.

The recently passed legislation would ensure all counties follow, increasing the probability remains will be identified, according to sponsors.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/6/ny-legislators-want-unidentified-dead-in-federal-d/



<snip>

New York data on the website, called NamUs, show 22 counties outside New York City reported unidentified dead, including Westchester. The site has no current reports from 35 other counties.


http://www.troyrecord.com/general-n...rs-want-unidentified-dead-in-federal-database

This is long overdue, not just in New York. It should be required in all jurisdictions.

 

[Armchair-reader]

I can't find this ladies name on Websleuths. Sometimes the threads are so long. If it's in the wrong place. Sorry. I'm still learning. It goes along with the old cropsey legend.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/atwell_ethel.html

 

[rosemadderlake]

I can't find this ladies name on Websleuths. Sometimes the threads are so long. If it's in the wrong place. Sorry. I'm still learning. It goes along with the old cropsey legend.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/atwell_ethel.html

Hi- I am not finding a thread for Ethel Atwell on Websleuths. Not sure why no thread, maybe I am missing something but I searched several ways. I do remember she was mentioned on Sylvia's thread in reference to Rand and Willowbrook when we were looking at Rand 1970's timeline, IIRC.

Ethel is mentioned on a Rand thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ten-Island-1970-s-80-s/page2&highlight=Atwell

 

[rosemadderlake]

There is another convo happening re Sylvia at Unsolved Mysteries. Timeline was assembled from our posts on WS.

Something interesting was mentioned in the comments. Theory regarding "broken glasses" that I don't recall coming up here in our vast discussion on the glasses. In the heat of an argument did BF/F slam on the brakes? No one wore seat belts in the 70's...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Unresolved...ia_alice_lwowski_disappeared_without_a_trace/

 

[rosemadderlake]

... Couple of thoughts... Above scenario speaks to hot head temperament which we don't know much about. But, if something reactionary like that happened, slam on brakes, thrust forward, hit head, glasses broken, maybe exited car so fast forgot purse, (?) running terrified or injured? Suffered concussion, or worse. Fell into accident, or wrong hands, or worse... One missing piece I have always felt was significant is the no show BF/F at Sylvia's party a week or so before, and then the argument which I do not think was small, at all...

Wondering if something more traumatic happened initially because if that's a missing piece and the BF/F knows more, like what happened, or really doesn't know what happened to her next, if she exited the car, then either way might explain the cut off behavior that followed.

 

[rosemadderlake]

So, if something more dramatic or traumatic happened initially, because the glasses piece has always been very mysteriously odd, with an odd explanation of throwing against dash, (assumed or known to be broken (?) but not specified in NamUs report) then would that explain the unfolding events that evening? BF/F makes two stops: GF & parents and both parties seem to be searching for her yet doesn't know the other is searching for her? DId BF/F tell parents he made a stop at GF's house, and visa versa? --Because if Sylvia was just really angry, stormed out of car, I might have gone home after first stop assuming she'd arrive on bus at GF's house (as her GF was told by BF/F she's taking bus to her house), call home to let her parents know she arrived there, etc... But no, it was a very dramatic unfolding of events... Why? Was it scripted? Or, indicative of a scrambling because something big happened?

- And then of course, 'no publicity', and relationships are cut off...

This make me think about the nature of relationships... -Young love. -Dramatic break-ups. -Hot head? -Depressed? -And the silence...

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

I can't find this ladies name on Websleuths. Sometimes the threads are so long. If it's in the wrong place. Sorry. I'm still learning. It goes along with the old cropsey legend.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/atwell_ethel.html

I don't believe there was a specific thread for her so I started one.

NY - Ethel Louise Atwell, 46, Staten Island, 24 October 1978

 

[Jmoose]

Bumping...nearly 41 years since Sylvia disappeared

 

[Odyssey]

Hi,

I haven't had anything new to add but I still think of Sylvia.

One thing I did want to bring back To mind is that Sylvia's case is not in the hands of the NYPD Cold Case Unit. There is such a unit. It is not in the hands of the NYPD Missing Persons Unit either. It is in the hands of the district attorney's office. District Attorney's are prosecutors. That, to me, indicates that LE is classifying her case as a crime, whether they wish to announce that or not.

I can't imagine that a district attorney's office would be involved in a voluntary missing or a suicide. That's just my opinion of course.

Just something to think about.

 

[rosemadderlake]

NamUs states three investigating agencies: Cold Case NY, 122 pct., SI, and Richmond Cty. DA's office, SI.

I wonder how NY agencies were structured 40 years ago because the 122 pct. and DA's office were the original agencies in 1975, IIRC.

AFAIK Sylvia is classified as missing - wouldn't she be classified as endangered missing if they were indicating further knowledge, or possible POI?

I don't think anyone knows and not enough evidence or direction came to light when the NY Cold Case agency reviewed her case and interviewed people in 2010... But I do know the NY Cold Case Agency is the current contact for submitting unidentified for rule outs...

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7574/0

 

[Skigirl]

Hi,

I haven't had anything new to add but I still think of Sylvia.

One thing I did want to bring back To mind is that Sylvia's case is not in the hands of the NYPD Cold Case Unit. There is such a unit. It is not in the hands of the NYPD Missing Persons Unit either. It is in the hands of the district attorney's office. District Attorney's are prosecutors. That, to me, indicates that LE is classifying her case as a crime, whether they wish to announce that or not.

I can't imagine that a district attorney's office would be involved in a voluntary missing or a suicide. That's just my opinion of course.

Just something to think about.

I agree that if there was really the belief that she had disappeared voluntarily or due to an accident, the prosecutor's office would not have ever been named as an involved agency. I would bet that her fiance was under strong suspicion and that LE felt they had enough evidence to get the prosecutor's office involved, but there just hasn't been enough to make an arrest. The cold case unit involvement is because no new leads have turned up in all these years and they are hoping that if they find a body or more evidence, they can eventually arrest whoever the suspect is. That is just what my gut tells me, not based on any information I have.

 

[Odyssey]

Yes, many things just don't seem normal to me. The DA's office being involved is just one of them, others you guys have already mentioned - no publicity, no friends surfacing other than MMQC, even after posts were made on the Staten Island site and IIRC the college alumni Facebook page too. Then there's the fact that the MP report was taken down from namus shortly after we started getting involved in her case. A family member being told not to contact bf/f. Something just seems off to me.

Anna Scivetti went missing from Staten Island in the 90s after an argument with her boyfriend. The cases are similar but the way they were handled couldn't be more opposite. Anna's boyfriend has been named everywhere. He's had reporters in his face. There are lots of news articles which clearly name him as a suspect.

The 20-something difference in era could be a factor, so could the fact that Anna's boyfriend was married and had a criminal record. Perhaps Anna's family and friends are more persistent and the media is putting pressure on LE. LE seems very eager to find Anna. Sylvia, not so much,imo, and I'm not sure why.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I agree that if there was really the belief that she had disappeared voluntarily or due to an accident, the prosecutor's office would not have ever been named as an involved agency. I would bet that her fiance was under strong suspicion and that LE felt they had enough evidence to get the prosecutor's office involved, but there just hasn't been enough to make an arrest. The cold case unit involvement is because no new leads have turned up in all these years and they are hoping that if they find a body or more evidence, they can eventually arrest whoever the suspect is. That is just what my gut tells me, not based on any information I have.

IIRC: the ADA in 1975 was a neighbor of mmqc (SL's closest GF) and was called in to speak with Sylvia's family. I am sure the fiancé was under strong suspicion too, but combined with "depressed" on the PR and the "no publicity" request of SL's family, and a more inside connection to DA, there is also strong reason to think it could have been a potential suicide. Or, it was not off the table. Also, no publicity could indicate knowledge of someone else. Imo.

Just refreshing my memory here because it wasn't until after EL passed that SL's brother felt he could revisit her case with LE. So the flow of no publicity vs investigation is one of the many mysteries about Sylvia's case.

The silence from her college could be a big indication of consensus one way or the other. But unlike other cases where there is a strong suspect and confirming opinion, there has been very little public opinion from those who knew "them". And no public opinion from a party of guests who knew Sylvia at her pool party not long before she disappeared.

Hoping SI Advance will keep up with Sylvia's case, or rerun story around her disappearance date.

 

[Skigirl]

It is weird that her parents did not want publicity... however, parents can behave very strangely sometimes when bad things happen to their kids. One of my sisters was the victim of a serial rapist and because of the serial element, and because it had taken place in a "safe" well-lit area on a college campus, the crime got a lot of local/regional attention. My parents admonished everyone in the family not to tell anyone. My sister felt she wasn't free to tell her friends and/or her roommates, who knew she was missing for the night (because first, the crime took place, then she was taken to the hospital, and then she was giving a statement to the police, etc.), knew there had been a rape on campus, knew my parents had rushed into town, knew that she and my parents were spending a lot of unhappy time someplace together (the police station), knew the top university administrators were calling the house regularly... in other words, of course they knew. Years later, my sister asked why they had told her not to tell anyone, since it just made her feel like she had something to be ashamed of, and my mother told her that she knew she'd never be able to take it back if she told people and wanted to protect my sister's privacy. It was a very odd response given that we were normally not a family that was particularly guarded or suspicious or secretive, and it's not like my parents actually thought my sister was to blame or should be ashamed. Families can just react weirdly to things that are outside of the normal range of experience.

 

[Odyssey]

When I consider that no publicity was wanted immediately after she went missing, it really doesn't seem that strange. It may have simply been a thing of not wanting to jump the gun and potentially cause embarrassment for SL and/or negative publicity or public scrutiny of bf/f and his family. What I don't understand is that days, weeks, months, and decades later there was still no publicity.

i wonder if that notation was just something that was uttered initially amid the confusion and fog, but as time went on, that notation was still there so other law enforcement assumed publicity still wasn't wanted?

now that contact with LE had been made again in recent years, and publicity is wanted, it still isn't happening (with the exception of what has been done by us) That's where I feel like something just isn't right.