GUILTY NY - Vincent Viafore, 46, Newburgh, 19 April 2015 - #1

[Inthedetails]

The more I read, the more I believe the whole kayaking trip IS the ELABORATE RUSE. What is stated by the kayaking instructor above makes total sense to me. Plus, remembering that his friends commented about him never going out in a kayak without a life vest. Now, AG's lawyer is saying he had a few beers. Nothing like trying to blame the victim.

The only thing that doesn't work with my above thoughts is that the police stated they believe whatever occurred happened on the water. Is it possible that she shot him, somehow removed his life vest, attempted to clean the kayak (would explain the tampering perhaps,) and sent him underwater? Plausible? Not? Any thoughts?

Hopefully they will find him so his body can provide the answers we're all seeking.

I don't think she could've shot him on the water without being immediately detected. Sound carries over water and the area where they were is not isolated - it's a populated area with river traffic.

Could she have done it on the island? The sound would still carry, perhaps, but they could be hidden so people wouldn't know where the noise came from as easily as they could if they were on the water. Hmm...

The Telescope Witnesses saw them launch from the island that day. I'm sure their testimony will be crucial.

JMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

The telescope witnesses said they couldn't make out faces but did note that it was a man and a woman, could be any man with her:

Gottlock said she and her husband, whose home overlooks the water, remember seeing Graswald and Viafore just as they pushed their kayaks into the water from Bannerman's Island. "I could see a woman and a man out there, but I couldn't make out faces," Gottlock said. "We put two and two together and figured that's her. And then she sent a few pictures from the island before she left."

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...der-Angelika-Graswald-New-York-301826811.html

 

[Inthedetails]

The telescope witnesses said they couldn't make out faces but did note that it was a man and a woman, could be any man with her:

Gottlock said she and her husband, whose home overlooks the water, remember seeing Graswald and Viafore just as they pushed their kayaks into the water from Bannerman's Island. "I could see a woman and a man out there, but I couldn't make out faces," Gottlock said. "We put two and two together and figured that's her. And then she sent a few pictures from the island before she left."

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...der-Angelika-Graswald-New-York-301826811.html

I never understood the "she sent a few pictures from the island before she left."

Whom did she send photos to? The Telescope People?

Did the Telescope People know in advance AG and VV would be on the island and looked for them through the 'scope? If so, AG knew that someone was watching her, and would very likely watch her on the water too!

It's rather a coincidence that Telescope People happened to be looking at the island on a day when the couple visited it, when people aren't supposed to be kayaking there on their own anyway. Why be looking at the island from your home at that moment? I'm not casting guilt on the Telescopers, just wondering if they were set up as witnesses.

JMO, speculation.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I thought it was interesting that she went to the telescope people days later to look through their telescope in hopes of finding Vincent. She knew they had a telescope, before or after he went missing??

Sending photos, I thought it means she posted photos that day to her Facebook page?

 

[silly1]

I don't think she could've shot him on the water without being immediately detected. Sound carries over water and the area where they were is not isolated - it's a populated area with river traffic.

Could she have done it on the island? The sound would still carry, perhaps, but they could be hidden so people wouldn't know where the noise came from as easily as they could if they were on the water. Hmm...

The Telescope Witnesses saw them launch from the island that day. I'm sure their testimony will be crucial.

JMO

Good points about sound traveling over water.

So perhaps whatever did happen occurred on the island. Thinking out loud, could there be an accomplice? Or did she somehow prop him back into the kayak, tow him out, then dump him, then set up her own rescue?

 

[silly1]

I never understood the "she sent a few pictures from the island before she left."

Whom did she send photos to? The Telescope People?

Did the Telescope People know in advance AG and VV would be on the island and looked for them through the 'scope? If so, AG knew that someone was watching her, and would very likely watch her on the water too!

It's rather a coincidence that Telescope People happened to be looking at the island on a day when the couple visited it, when people aren't supposed to be kayaking there on their own anyway. Why be looking at the island from your home at that moment? I'm not casting guilt on the Telescopers, just wondering if they were set up as witnesses.

JMO, speculation.

Like your thinking about the telescopers being set up as witnesses. Again that sounds like part of an ELABORATE RUSE.

 

[BunnyHop]

The more I read, the more I believe the whole kayaking trip IS the ELABORATE RUSE. What is stated by the kayaking instructor above makes total sense to me. Plus, remembering that his friends commented about him never going out in a kayak without a life vest. Now, AG's lawyer is saying he had a few beers. Nothing like trying to blame the victim.

The only thing that doesn't work with my above thoughts is that the police stated they believe whatever occurred happened on the water. Is it possible that she shot him, somehow removed his life vest, attempted to clean the kayak (would explain the tampering perhaps,) and sent him underwater? Plausible? Not? Any thoughts?

Hopefully they will find him so his body can provide the answers we're all seeking.

At this point I think anything's possible. We have to wait and see.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Until his body is found, anything is possible. Authorities said they don't need a body, but why would her attorney mention a "missing gun".

I still want to know how he died, other than "drowning".

 

[BunnyHop]

I don't think she could've shot him on the water without being immediately detected. Sound carries over water and the area where they were is not isolated - it's a populated area with river traffic.

Could she have done it on the island? The sound would still carry, perhaps, but they could be hidden so people wouldn't know where the noise came from as easily as they could if they were on the water. Hmm...

The Telescope Witnesses saw them launch from the island that day. I'm sure their testimony will be crucial.

JMO

A train could have been passing right along side the island.

 

[BunnyHop]

Like your thinking about the telescopers being set up as witnesses. Again that sounds like part of an ELABORATE RUSE.

IMO, the whole thing was an elaborate ruse.
The time of day, the weather, where they launched etc.
Based on the red and blue kayak pics that were posted, (time stamp 2007) those are not white water kayaks IMO. I started paddling in white water, and ww boats have a different design. They are shorter, just different. WW boats do not track/steer well at all. You would NEVER take one out on open water.

The boats in the pics are recreational kayaks.

I'm glad they brought up the drain hole, IMO you would never swamp from that alone.

I'm also glad they clarified the clothing somewhat.

 

[BunnyHop]

Crying, she recalled how, after Viafore's kayak capsized, he told her to call 911, which she says she did – trying to keep the phone dry by bracing it between her legs inside her own kayak.

When I take my boat out, I often take my camera and binoculars. I put them in ziplock bags, then in an insulated lunch bag, and they are secured to boat with secure tie ons. I don't want to lose them or be ruined. I find the above description a bit off IMO.

Could they have been that reckless?

 

[wfgodot]

The prosecution had better have the goods, because even a merely adequate defense attorney can paint a picture of a river driven by strong winds and its own cold currents as being much more likely a killer than a woman on it in a kayak on an April day at twilight.

 

[JerseyGirl]

on a side note, there appears to be a separate lawsuit filed by a woman named Katherine Greico who was erroniously identified as Graswald:

In a 56-page lawsuit, upstate New York resident Katherine Grieco accuses eight news outlets and one private blogger of defamation for misidentifying her in a photo they pulled from Facebook.
The corporate owners of the New York Post (NYP Holdings), CNN (Turner Broadcasting and Time Warner), the Associated Press, CBS News, Fox Television Stations, American Broadcasting Company (ABC), Ora Media and the gossip blog Scallywag & Vagabond are named as defendants in Grieco's complaint.

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http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/05/20/woman-tells-press-shes-not-the-kayak-killer.htm

 

[Kadoober]

Interesting, I wondered who that woman was and why they kept including that picture, it's so clearly not Angelika.

 

[JerseyGirl]

LOL:

Colvin reenacted the moment when Graswald prevented him from driving to work unless he gave her custody of his cat

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iend-reveals-spiteful-side.html#ixzz3am0qaOm7

'Angelika was a little too happy for someone who lost her fiancé,' Jackie Bracco, a friend of Viafore who was present at Bar Eleven 11 in Fishkill. Graswald, who plays the guitar and sings, has defended her behavior saying it is what Viafone would have wanted. She said the couple 'loved to party, we loved to go out, and that's why I did it.'

http://www.people.com/article/kayak-murder-suspect-angelika-graswald-sang-karaoke-in-fiances-memory

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/20/angelika-graswald-interview-people_n_7347460.html

 

[wfgodot]

Body Recovered From Hudson River Could Be Missing Kayaker (newyorkcbslocal.com)

Crews have recovered a body in the Hudson River that could be a kayaker who has been missing for more than a month.

As CBS2&#8217;s Matt Kozar reported, video provided to CBS2 shows police boats in the Hudson River near the Cornwall Yacht Club. That&#8217;s where they pulled an unidentified body onto the docks Saturday morning.

The body was found floating in the water near where 46-year-old Vincent Viafore went missing.
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Forensic scientist Michael Archer [is now working] for Angelika Graswald&#8217;s defense team.

&#8220;It&#8217;s my understanding that the body was found today was found by a recreational boater. That the person was found floating face down and that they were in the general vicinity of where Mr. Viafore was last seen,&#8221; Archer said.
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more at link

 

[Aynia]

Body Recovered From Hudson River Could Be Missing Kayaker

Thank you so much for the update, I really hope it's VV so his family can have some closure
Just MOO he'll have a bullet wound.

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[wfgodot]

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The body was transported to the morgue in Orange County, New York, where an autopsy will be performed, the police said in a statement. The investigation into the body remains ongoing.

The body was that of a male, a source tells PEOPLE.

"If the the body they found is Vincent Viafore, it will bring some closure to everyone involved about his disappearance," Richard Portale, the attorney for Viafore's fiancée and accused killer, Angelika Graswald, said.
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more here: http://www.people.com/article/body-found-hudson-river-kayaker

 

[Aynia]

more here: http://www.people.com/article/body-found-hudson-river-kayaker

Thank you so much!!!
Also from the link:
" Graswald has maintained her innocence to PEOPLE in three exclusive jailhouse interviews, and says she was "devastated" by his drowning"
Seriously did she forgot what she told LE before?!

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[Ragamuffin]

I'm sorry but if she is claiming "rough sex and threesomes", along with other flags like singing/partying/handstands < ok, maybe not handstands.

I'm seeing Jodi 2.0

I hope that if the body is Mr Viafore there will be evidence of foul play.