GUILTY NY - Vincent Viafore, 46, Newburgh, 19 April 2015 - #1

[JerseyGirl]

Her next court appearance is scheduled for June 22.

http://putnam.dailyvoice.com/news/woman-accused-fiances-death-hudson-river-pleads-not-guilty

Does anyone know what's planned for June 22?? I'm not familiar with the process.

 

[kimi_SFC]

If you scroll down to a May 29th article posted at 10:33pm by the Poughkeepsie Journal, there are a couple of comments referencing AG's fluency with English as noted by people who state they knew her and worked with her. FWIW.

https://www.facebook.com/PoughkeepsieJournal

It would be interesting to see how they questioned AG. I wonder if we will get to see/hear a transcription of the questioning during the trial.

Interesting - the article isn't there anymore.

I checked their feed and "Posts to Page."

I wonder if they (or someone else :dunno: are reading here and pulled it (or had it pulled)?

:thinking:


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[scapa]

I feel like more context is required for AG's alleged statements to the police. I can imagine a tired, frustrated, sarcastic "Sure, whatever, that's right -- I killed him and I'm delighted to be free and now I'm off to spend the insurance money!" (sic).

Odd as that sounds, it makes more sense to me than someone who is ostensibly home-free after a successful murder suddenly confessing to the police who up to then have regarded her only as a bereaved victim. The alleged confession has been cited as evidence of her cold, murderous nature, but what coldblooded killer gives it up so easily and for no apparent reason at all?

best,

s

 

[silly1]

Interesting - the article isn't there anymore.

I checked their feed and "Posts to Page."

I wonder if they (or someone else :dunno: are reading here and pulled it (or had it pulled)?

:thinking:


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I can still see it. As of right now it's the 30th article down.

 

[silly1]

Is there a page? I don't remember.

According to this article, it is a FundRzr account.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/york-state-police-rushed-judgment-charging-woman-fiances/story?id=30921691

 

[silly1]

There is a Justice for Angelika facebook page.

https://m.facebook.com/Justice4Angelika

 

[BunnyHop]

There is a Justice for Angelika facebook page.

https://m.facebook.com/Justice4Angelika

Doesn't look very active.

 

[BunnyHop]

I feel like more context is required for AG's alleged statements to the police. I can imagine a tired, frustrated, sarcastic "Sure, whatever, that's right -- I killed him and I'm delighted to be free and now I'm off to spend the insurance money!" (sic).

Odd as that sounds, it makes more sense to me than someone who is ostensibly home-free after a successful murder suddenly confessing to the police who up to then have regarded her only as a bereaved victim. The alleged confession has been cited as evidence of her cold, murderous nature, but what coldblooded killer gives it up so easily and for no apparent reason at all?

best,

s

BBM. IMO, witnesses came forward along with more evidence.
LE is trained to see red flags in testimony. Insurance policy surfaced along with her strange behavior.

I'm sure they had a search warrant if they found her diary. Who knows what else they found. There may be texts, pictures, emails etc.

She was on the island the same day police was there. They may have found evidence there as well---that's when she was arrested.

LE is holding it close to the vest, why should they tip their hand? Makes no sense.
Also remember there was grand jury and very high bail was set.
I would guess they have a good case.

 

[BunnyHop]

Portale said many community members, including experienced kayakers, have reached out in support of Graswald.

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/s...rder/28181813/

I still cannot access that site.
Based on Silly 1 posts above I don't see much support.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Doesn't look very active.

One total "like" so far - as of this moment - and the "about" describes it her desperately needing funds (I didn't read the whole thing, but I'm thinking for her defense).
Setting up the page as a Facebook Community was a smart move (a Facebook group allows the identity of group members to be viewed). Whoever "likes" the page itself can't be seen (AFAIK) - but if someone likes a post or comment, it is public.

Hope that makes sense


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[gitana1]

If you scroll down to a May 29th article posted at 10:33pm by the Poughkeepsie Journal, there are a couple of comments referencing AG's fluency with English as noted by people who state they knew her and worked with her. FWIW.

https://www.facebook.com/PoughkeepsieJournal

It would be interesting to see how they questioned AG. I wonder if we will get to see/hear a transcription of the questioning during the trial.

She's been here since age 15. She works. It doesn't appear she's been isolated in a Russian-speaking neighborhood. She's fluent.

I feel like more context is required for AG's alleged statements to the police. I can imagine a tired, frustrated, sarcastic "Sure, whatever, that's right -- I killed him and I'm delighted to be free and now I'm off to spend the insurance money!" (sic).

Odd as that sounds, it makes more sense to me than someone who is ostensibly home-free after a successful murder suddenly confessing to the police who up to then have regarded her only as a bereaved victim. The alleged confession has been cited as evidence of her cold, murderous nature, but what coldblooded killer gives it up so easily and for no apparent reason at all?

best,

s

My criminal procedure professor was a federal public defender for decades. He said that the Miranda warning is useless. It's not a battle on the part of LE to get them to talk. It's a battle on the part of defense attorneys to get them to shut up.

In my years as an attorney (since 2001, although, caveat, except minor appearances I've worked with criminal defense attorneys, not as one), that's borne out. So many simply confess. Usually not totally. They typically hold something back. Even from their attorneys. But they confess or incriminate themselves. Criminals aren't that smart. Smart people don't like to commit crimes.

 

[DayLea]

Here's a direct link to the previously mentioned Poughkeepsie Journal Facebook post: https://www.facebook.com/PoughkeepsieJournal/posts/10153481638894474
Be aware that there's a good deal of profanity here.

 

[JerseyGirl]

She's been here since age 15. She works. It doesn't appear she's been isolated in a Russian-speaking neighborhood. She's fluent.

She's been in the US since age 20, not 15.

In total, she's been in the US for 15 years.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-new-york-kayak-murder-case-20150527-story.html#page=1

 

[BunnyHop]

She's been in the US since age 20, not 15.

In total, she's been in the US for 15 years.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-new-york-kayak-murder-case-20150527-story.html#page=1

There seems to be differing accounts of a few points.
Many of the news articles contradict each other.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

and isn't she Latvian, not Russian? Latvia is independent and the language is not Russian.

 

[wfgodot]

Thanks again to all those linking MSM to relevant factual information; lack of sourcing can allow half-truths and falsehoods to cloud what already can be a confusing picture.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Another thing on the defense's side, is that the day started out very nice and quickly turned cold and windy.

How could she have possibily planned this out AND have the weather cooperate??

Rough water and strong winds and currents played a role in the capsizing, police said.
“Yesterday, it started out as a nice day and as the day went on, it grew cooler and the winds picked up and it became more like today,” said State Police Capt. Brendan Casey.

Initially, that was the police response BEFORE they started investigating her.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/04/20/crews-searching-for-missing-kayaker-in-hudson-river/

 

[wfgodot]

....Ms. Graswald, who first came to this country from Latvia at age 20 as an au pair for a family in Connecticut.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/14/n...-river-kayaker-accused-of-killing-fiance.html

This information has been linked multiple times.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

I am ashamed to say I had never hard of Latvia until I met my (now) husband when I was 18. His dad is Latvian, so I have learned a lot in 25 years, lol... about Russia and Latvia... and I have also learned from being here at WS that details are important.

 

[epiphany]

and isn't she Latvian, not Russian? Latvia is independent and the language is not Russian.

26.09.2013

According to the data of Population and Housing Census 2011 conducted by the Central Statistical Bureau, the mostly used language at home is Latvian which is used by 62.1% of population. The second most popular language spoken at home is Russian (spoken by 37.2% of population). Other languages, for example, Belorussian, Ukrainian, Polish, Lithuanian, etc. are spoken at home by 0.7% of population.

Comparing regions of Latvia, it can be seen that in Vidzeme region 91.2% of population speak Latvian, in Kurzeme – 79.7%, in Zemgale – 76.0% and in Pierīga – 73.5% of population. But in Latgale (60.3%) and Riga (55.8%) language mostly spoken at home is Russian.

http://www.csb.gov.lv/en/notikumi/h...majority-vidzeme-and-lubana-county-39158.html


Latvia’s Minister of Culture has called on his countrymen “not to give in” to speaking Russian in schools, kindergartens and with the Russian-language media, in the country where over 37 per cent of the population are native Russian-speakers.

http://rt.com/news/latvian-culture-minister-urges-its-citizens-not-to-speak-russian-946/


In 1989 Russian was the native language to 42% of population, including 8% of non-Russians, and 39% spoke it fluently as a foreign language.[9] In 2000 Russian was spoken natively by 37,5% of inhabitants and by 43,7% as the second language.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Latvia