OCSO NEWS CONFERENCE @ 4:50 pm

[butwhatif?]

Ummm...to the poster who said the delay in finding the body was due to "stupidity and laziness" of LE - You are wrong.

I'll say this as nicely as I can, since I know how easy it is to get carried away being an arm-chair detective. One can only try to preserve and process things that one can see. If the area you are trying to search is covered in water - and you have the rest of the greater-orlando area to search - you will probably leave that area alone and search elsewhere, to avoid someone STEPPING on something important.

Any detective and prosecutor would rather find a whole bone a month late than find pieces of bone compromised because your searcher STEPPED on it!

ANYWAY, I bet because this discovery was late, OCSO is going through now and making tables of every tip followed up on - and to see which tips GA/CA gave that were clearly erroneous - to say well when we could have been ground searching, CA obstructed our actions by filing these false reports..

Any search could have resulted in a bone being stepped on. water or no water.

 

[passionflower]

I'm really thankful that Caylee was found and wondering if a cold case was found as well........seems to be allot of time, allot of bones discovered????

 

[nursebeeme]

Isn't "significant" skeletal remains being found considered odd since they have already been at it a week now? I just keep wondering if they found a grave or if animals did that.

my thoughts, vicki, would be that if the skeletal remains were deemed, "significant" they were important bones that they had wanted to find... like perhaps the cervical vertebrae, the axis or the atlas bone (two at the top of the spine that could show a fracture if neck breaking had been a method of the murder). I do not think it a grave... per Nieves they were significant skeletal remains found on the very edge of the perimeter they had been searching. I would think they had been scattered or carried off by small animals and or water. Just my thought tho.

 

[Macushla]

I totally agree with you on the Anthony statement. I have yet to see it documented anywhere that they searched at all. I do remember George pulling the trailer with the sign around. I also remember The A's trying to stop other people from searching. In my opinion, no one did less searching than them. I know for sure that I volunteered and only can vouch for my time spent. Sitting in a tent accepting cash that was spent on whatever is not searching.

:blowkiss:

A number of us have made the same typo in regards to OSCO and OCSO - but I can assure you I will be much more careful from now on cause I know you will be watchin'

As for your second paragraph - oh I so agree with you, and by the way, nice to see you posting again.

 

[JWG]

1. I don't believe this helps the defense or hurts the prosecution. It does not change the fact that there was a crime, nor does it change the nature of the crime. At best JB could attempt to tie the meter reader to the crime in some way, but I think any attempt will be discredited rather quickly.

2. The prosecution would have been helped if the body had been found in August.

3. Looking at the crime scene photos, if the meter reader was not there with LE to point out the specific location of the bag he allegedly saw, then I can understand how the responding officer did not see it. Unless he pointed to the bag in the presence of LE and it was ignored, I doubt the responding officer could be faulted.

4. Any odor of decomposition the meter reader smelled would have to have been due to another animal. After nine weeks there would not have been an odor noticeable to humans. I say from experience, living next to various forests for about 30 years and smelling decomposing animals, large and small. In wet weather a deer stops smelling after about 3 weeks, smaller animals sooner.

5. The meter reader is probably in that neighborhood on the 11th of every month. August 11 he spots the bag, calls in the tip, hears nothing, calls in again on the 12th and 13th and hears nothing. Wonders if maybe there really was nothing to the tip.

Returns September 11, October 11, and November 11 but cannot see the bag...probably under water. Wonders what we have all wondered...did they find a body and are keeping it secret, or maybe it was not a body, or maybe it is under water.

Returns December 11 and sees the bag. This time decides to investigate.

 

[nursebeeme]

1. I don't believe this helps the defense or hurts the prosecution. It does not change the fact that there was a crime, nor does it change the nature of the crime. At best JB could attempt to tie the meter reader to the crime in some way, but I think any attempt will be discredited rather quickly.

2. The prosecution would have been helped if the body had been found in August.

3. Looking at the crime scene photos, if the meter reader was not there with LE to point out the specific location of the bag he allegedly saw, then I can understand how the responding officer did not see it. Unless he pointed to the bag in the presence of LE and it was ignored, I doubt the responding officer could be faulted.

4. Any odor of decomposition the meter reader smelled would have to have been due to another animal. After nine weeks there would not have been an odor noticeable to humans. I say from experience, living next to various forests for about 30 years and smelling decomposing animals, large and small. In wet weather a deer stops smelling after about 3 weeks, smaller animals sooner.

5. The meter reader is probably in that neighborhood on the 11th of every month. August 11 he spots the bag, calls in the tip, hears nothing, calls in again on the 12th and 13th and hears nothing. Wonders if maybe there really was nothing to the tip.

Returns September 11, October 11, and November 11 but cannot see the bag...probably under water. Wonders what we have all wondered...did they find a body and are keeping it secret, or maybe it was not a body, or maybe it is under water.

Returns December 11 and sees the bag. This time decides to investigate.

JWG,
You go on with your bad self! Nurse totally agrees here. Fits with the elements of weather, etc. Too bad this tempest in the teapot had to rear its' ugly head however!

 

[ks1]

Hooray for the "hinky" meter reader that found Caylee!!!!!!!!!!!! If I saw a gray bag (note, did not say trashbag) on the side of the road near the A's home, I would call it in. If I drove by again and the bag was still there, I would call again. And, I would call the next day to make sure that someone had responded to my call. I think that the gray bag was some type of duffel, and when they figure out where it was put by the deputy, they will find the clothes that KC was referring to when she state that "they haven't even found her clothes yet". I hate to see the meter reader being suspect on the news, he's a hero in my book. God bless the meter reader for not giving up and following the feeling that there was something hinky in those woods.
God bless him for risking his job and livelihood to find Caylee. Mr. Meter reader, Pis* on those that are questioning your integrity.

 

[JaneInOz]

1. I don't believe this helps the defense or hurts the prosecution. It does not change the fact that there was a crime, nor does it change the nature of the crime. At best JB could attempt to tie the meter reader to the crime in some way, but I think any attempt will be discredited rather quickly.

2. The prosecution would have been helped if the body had been found in August.

3. Looking at the crime scene photos, if the meter reader was not there with LE to point out the specific location of the bag he allegedly saw, then I can understand how the responding officer did not see it. Unless he pointed to the bag in the presence of LE and it was ignored, I doubt the responding officer could be faulted.

4. Any odor of decomposition the meter reader smelled would have to have been due to another animal. After nine weeks there would not have been an odor noticeable to humans. I say from experience, living next to various forests for about 30 years and smelling decomposing animals, large and small. In wet weather a deer stops smelling after about 3 weeks, smaller animals sooner.

5. The meter reader is probably in that neighborhood on the 11th of every month. August 11 he spots the bag, calls in the tip, hears nothing, calls in again on the 12th and 13th and hears nothing. Wonders if maybe there really was nothing to the tip.

Returns September 11, October 11, and November 11 but cannot see the bag...probably under water. Wonders what we have all wondered...did they find a body and are keeping it secret, or maybe it was not a body, or maybe it is under water.

Returns December 11 and sees the bag. This time decides to investigate.

Bold is mine

I agree. This sounds absolutely feasible and most logcial

 

[Bobby62]

A number of us have made the same typo in regards to OSCO and OCSO - but I can assure you I will be much more careful from now on cause I know you will be watchin'

As for your second paragraph - oh I so agree with you, and by the way, nice to see you posting again.

I stand corrected. I can vouch that you searched as well. I reckon I saw it with my own two eyes.

 

[jennyb]

So when did the floods occur? I'm thinking that when he first smelt the smell, its unlikely she was underwater at that time. The odor would not be as strong underwater, would it? Or would it make it worse?
And I just remembered reading somewhere a while back that human decomp stops having that strong odor after a month.
2 months later and underwater, how likely is it that he could smell anything?
If the smell was that strong, surely the dep would have taken it more seriously.
Nothing adds up in this case.
It may not work so great for the prosecution if jose says LE failed to follow up on leads.
Even the captain says its being investigated. If it was simply a problem because of water levels surely he would have stated that....why investigate the deputy and how tips are handled?
JMO

JB was just spewing the line that LE wasn't following up on *live* sightings so that's moot because now we have a dead body. I don't think the defense can argue that one. IMO.

 

[ByGrace]

God bless him for risking his job and livelihood to find Caylee. Mr. Meter reader, Pis* on those that are questioning your integrity.

I know the psychiatrists know better than me on behavior but I myself would have never thought she would have put her so close to her own home. I think Casey was having a good laugh knowing how close she was and she was not being discovered. I would have never thought to look so close to home.

 

[Jolynna]

Thank you so much for your post, Realist!!!

I can vouch for your posting a LONG TIME AGO about searching in this very area. I appreciate your search efforts and insight.

 

[SuziQ]

The bag is desbribed as gray. I've heard Caylee was in a black garbage bags. Maybe LE did go out and find an animal in the gray bag? I know a search was done in the area due to a smell and an animal was found. It could be a fluke that Caylee was there at the same time. Or wrongly written off as the animal.

JWG, the scenario you wrote I completely agree with.

 

[Macushla]

I stand corrected. I can vouch that you searched as well. I reckon I saw it with my own two eyes.

Bobby: I think you misunderstood me I was laughing about your OSCO vs. OCSO comments and saying I would be very careful from now on about making sure I had the letters in the right order. I was not correcting you, I was teasing you.

I also agreed with you 100% about your second paragraph - sitting in a tent is NOT searching. And it is still good to see your posts again, I reckon :blowkiss:

 

[realist]

Thank you so much for your post, Realist!!!

I can vouch for your posting a LONG TIME AGO about searching in this very area. I appreciate your search efforts and insight.

Unfortunately we could never get anywhere near where the remains were found and had planned on going back in Jan. after it dried out.

Another clarification, it wasn't just the water, look at the photos BEFORE the OCSO cleared the area. Then imagine up to 3 feet of water in that jungle. No boats, no horses, no atv's.

In retrospect, it is best that there wasn't more effort put into trying to forge through that mess. The evidence, if even found, would have been damaged beyond hope. Tim Miller called it right.

 

[ks1]

I know the psychiatrists know better than me on behavior but I myself would have never thought she would have put her so close to her own home. I think Casey was having a good laugh knowing how close she was and she was not being discovered. I would have never thought to look so close to home.

Yes, and today she sits in her cell playing with her new deck of cards that she bought from the commissary. It will be the first time she has ever "played with a full deck". As much as I despise her, I find myself feeling sorry for her. Maybe because I'm a mother and can't imagine anyone in their right mind harming a child, I can't help but believe that she is waaaaay more mentally deficient than just being a sociopath. To be able to murder her daughter and party on, it's unfathomable.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Tim said that it was amazing that that meter reader had found the bag with the way it was tucked up underneath the bushes. It makes more sense now, knowing that he was actually looking and didn't just happen to stumble upon it while looking for a place to pee.

I had questions about whether a reward was really appropriate for someone who simply wanted to empty his bladder. I feel very strongly now that this man deserves a reward.

It does totally make sense now, doesn't it? I thought it was divine intervention, but now we know that there was more to it than that.

:clap: :clap: I agree he deserves a reward. CrimeLine said he couldn't get a reward from them, because 911 was called. Well, there you go CrimeLine. He did call you.

 

[costalpilot]

jwg got ya!

 

[elfie]

I don't think a reward should EVER be offered for a dead person--only a live person.

There was a huge case in the UK when we were just there. A woman kidnapped her own child and kept her confined at a location that was eventually discovered, in order to gain a reward for finding her. Very sad.

 

[costalpilot]

where were the dogs herman?