• #101
Do the dead girls have the same mother? If so, then they are half-sisters, not step-sisters. Step-siblings don't have any parent in common, just related through parents' martiage.
if the language of the article in post 99 can be taken literally, they are both AH's daughters. so yes, same mother. or "mother", maybe.
 
  • #102
  • #103
Held on 2 million bond, 1 million per child. Mother has no criminal history. This is from the live stream above.
 
  • #104
1 million bond, per charge

"Badly decomposed bodies"

Daughters, 8 and 10.

Waived preliminary hearing, if I heard it right.

JMO
 
  • #105
  • #106
Do the dead girls have the same mother? If so, then they are half-sisters, not step-sisters. Step-siblings don't have any parent in common, just related through parents' martiage.
Thank you for that correction! I get steps and halfs mixed up ALL the time! And I have one of each so you'd think I'd have that figured out by now. :( Wish I had Mod abilities to edit my post to say half-sisters! LOL
 
  • #107
Live streamed here

I must have missed it cuz nothing is streaming at your link now. But! I'm glad you posted that. I found a pic of the 2 girls on it that sheds some light on what's going on inside the house. Instead of descriptions I've seen of a lot of cases on WS... there isn't trash piled everywhere making it hard to get around, no rotting food nor feces everywhere. Instead I see a pink Princess 'house' in the corner, clean looking blankets, likely a TV they are watching, and a pretty darn clean looking house. Even the younger one's hair is very well cared for with beaded braids. (I can't tell what's on the older one's head. A scarf maybe? But I'm guessing her hair is nice too)

So.... what went WRONG!??!? How did we go from this....

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to this?!?!?!?

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Pic source links:


and...

 
  • #108
“These were two young lives with their entire futures ahead of them,” said Cleveland Police Chief Dorothy Todd. “Our detectives worked tirelessly and with great care to identify those responsible. Investigations of this nature require patience, precision, and discretion. Unlike what is often portrayed on television, every detail cannot be shared publicly. Certain information must remain confidential to protect the integrity of the investigation and ensure justice for these victims. That careful and methodical work allowed our detectives to develop the evidence needed to make quick identification of a person of interest, ultimately resulting in an arrest.” Cleveland Police Chief Dorothy Todd

We are profoundly saddened by the deaths of these two young girls which is a tragedy for their families and our entire community. Due to the active criminal investigation into these deaths as well as the confidentiality obligation of Ohio law, we are unable to disclose any further information at this time. Jennifer Ciaccia, Press Secretary, Department of Communications

I want to thank our homicide detectives and members of the Division of Police for their incredible work in this case. Their dedication and persistence led to a quick arrest in connection with the tragic deaths of two young children whose bodies were discovered earlier this week.

This has shocked our community. We love and protect our young people, and the loss of these two children is unimaginable. Our hearts are with everyone who is grieving this tragedy.
Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb
$2M bond set for Cleveland mother accused of killing 2 young daughters, burying bodies in suitcases
 
  • #109
The arraignment was only minutes long.
 
  • #110
She has no criminal history, per the arraignment. Indeed, what happened here?
 
  • #111
Per your link:

Prosecutors said Friday the girls were found “badly decomposed.” Police previously said the girls were believed to have been buried for “some time” before they were discovered.

I'm trying to make sense of that. The dog walker that lived directly across the street said his dog would sniff that spot. After about 'a week' he finally decided to dig it out and take a look. It's winter in Cleveland. Not like it's summer so decomp would be fast, it would be slower in lower temps. So, if the dog hit on that spot about a week before... it's likely (in my uneducated on the subject opinion) that it was fairly newly buried.

Is 1 week in winter temps enough to make their bodies "badly decomposed"? I ask because they might have been dead longer than a week. I posted upthread where a neighbor mentioned not seeing them play outside over the summer, and she even put up a bouncy house. 🤔
 
  • #112
Per your link:

Prosecutors said Friday the girls were found “badly decomposed.” Police previously said the girls were believed to have been buried for “some time” before they were discovered.

I'm trying to make sense of that. The dog walker that lived directly across the street said his dog would sniff that spot. After about 'a week' he finally decided to dig it out and take a look. It's winter in Cleveland. Not like it's summer so decomp would be fast, it would be slower in lower temps. So, if the dog hit on that spot about a week before... it's likely (in my uneducated on the subject opinion) that it was fairly newly buried.

Is 1 week in winter temps enough to make their bodies "badly decomposed"? I ask because they might have been dead longer than a week. I posted upthread where a neighbor mentioned not seeing them play outside over the summer, and she even put up a bouncy house. 🤔

A year computes.

Did the man walk there last year? Only now, as snow melts, did his dog show interest.

So maybe they were buried there last spring.

Maybe?
 
  • #113
Will there be more charges? Were there people close to her? How did she explain the absence of two of her children?

Did they live across from a school but never go TO school? Was no one keeping track if these beautiful girls?
 
  • #114
She has no criminal history, per the arraignment. Indeed, what happened here?
I wonder if this could be a case of 'death by natural cause', and the mother not wanting and/or able to afford a proper burial, as the girls were so close by.
 
  • #115
Will there be more charges? Were there people close to her? How did she explain the absence of two of her children?

Did they live across from a school but never go TO school? Was no one keeping track if these beautiful girls?
If they did go to school it wouldn't have been that one. It's an all boy's school.
 
  • #116
“These were two young lives with their entire futures ahead of them,” said Cleveland Police Chief Dorothy Todd. “Our detectives worked tirelessly and with great care to identify those responsible. Investigations of this nature require patience, precision, and discretion. Unlike what is often portrayed on television, every detail cannot be shared publicly. Certain information must remain confidential to protect the integrity of the investigation and ensure justice for these victims. That careful and methodical work allowed our detectives to develop the evidence needed to make quick identification of a person of interest, ultimately resulting in an arrest.” Cleveland Police Chief Dorothy Todd

We are profoundly saddened by the deaths of these two young girls which is a tragedy for their families and our entire community. Due to the active criminal investigation into these deaths as well as the confidentiality obligation of Ohio law, we are unable to disclose any further information at this time. Jennifer Ciaccia, Press Secretary, Department of Communications

I want to thank our homicide detectives and members of the Division of Police for their incredible work in this case. Their dedication and persistence led to a quick arrest in connection with the tragic deaths of two young children whose bodies were discovered earlier this week.

This has shocked our community. We love and protect our young people, and the loss of these two children is unimaginable. Our hearts are with everyone who is grieving this tragedy.
Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb
$2M bond set for Cleveland mother accused of killing 2 young daughters, burying bodies in suitcases
bbm

the past tense here makes me think they think they're done investigating. that sorta answers the lingering question in my mind of whether any other adults were involved here.
 
  • #117
A year computes.

Did the man walk there last year? Only now, as snow melts, did his dog show interest.

So maybe they were buried there last spring.

Maybe?
i wonder if they were kept somewhere else and then moved.

burying in suitcases strikes me as a weird thing to do. i'm guessing it's pretty uncommon? i wonder if the bodies were originally kept in the suitcases somewhere else (basement? attic?), and then moved later. maybe by the end of the summer or some time in fall the smell got unbearable? then she buries them outdoors, not removing from the bodies from the suitcases because decomposition was already advanced, and/or mentally avoiding the reminder of who they were and what she did. then the winter weather refrigerates the remains until this week.
 
  • #118
I wonder if this could be a case of 'death by natural cause', and the mother not wanting and/or able to afford a proper burial, as the girls were so close by.
very rare for children to die of natural causes. let alone two around the same time?

and burying in a shallow, unmarked grave without telling anyone what happened is concealing the remains, which IIUC is a strong indicator of homicide.

JMO
 
  • #119
i wonder if they were kept somewhere else and then moved.

burying in suitcases strikes me as a weird thing to do. i'm guessing it's pretty uncommon? i wonder if the bodies were originally kept in the suitcases somewhere else (basement? attic?), and then moved later. maybe by the end of the summer or some time in fall the smell got unbearable? then she buries them outdoors, not removing from the bodies from the suitcases because decomposition was already advanced, and/or mentally avoiding the reminder of who they were and what she did. then the winter weather refrigerates the remains until this week.
I can see the BBM as possible, but disagree that burying the children in suitcases seems weird. The accused and the girls lived right across the street from where the bodies were buried. I think the suitcases being buried with the bodies in them was a matter of convenience, she stored them in the suitcases, then those suitcases were the easiest way to transport the bodies unnoticed to the burial site and once there why would she then remove the bodies, when she might be seen doing so? With bodies hidden, if she was seen by anyone or interupted she is just some lady in the park with some old suitcases.
 
  • #120
i said before it reminds me of the melodee buzzard case, where you have paranoid mom hiding the kid and even moving around to avoid family, (edit) who and the mom then later allegedly murders the kid.

but it also reminds of those cases where the person keeps the body in their freezer or under the house, etc. like someone said, burying right across the street is almost like burying in their own yard. unless she didn't have a car or something, it's a weird choice. and if my theory is right that they were kept in the house, in suitcases, for a while before they were buried, that would be a closer match to this kind of case.
 
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