GUILTY OH - Elaina Steinfurth, 17 months, Toledo, 2 Jun 2013 - #2

[Solitaryone]

Diane Larson ‏@DianeLarson 2m
Family of missing Elaina Steinfurth hold news conference: mother remains in jail. More after Game 4 of NBA Finals.

When is the news conference, and will it be live streamed?

 

[SCHMAE]

I agree. I am not able to feel sorry for her in any way.
If she had told LE right away what had happened (whether by her hand or another's) I may have been able to rustle some sympathy up. Not now.

Preach it Mama . I had a moment of near sympathy and then caught myself. If she were in fear of her own life then the moment TJ and TJ sr and certainly then LE arrived on the scene, was she still afraid of SK?
Is anyone else beginning to wonder if SK is in hiding because Angela is trying to stick this on him and for some reason he had nothing to do with harming the baby ?

 

[Ferretmommy]

With all that has developed... :stormingmad:

Just a little background on why I was so drawn to this case with precious missing Elaina; I have a sister with 'limited capacity' who is easily manipulated and often drawn to abusive, drug-addicted, controlling men. She was often subjecting her children to that lifestyle and all that went with it.:banghead: I am now (and have been for many years) raising her children - thus the name of "Aunt B". My sister, to this day, doesn't realize 'why' I have her children and doesn't feel like she's done anything wrong; she doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the danger she subjected them to.

MOO: I'm inclined to believe that what Angela (who Ferretmommy previously stated up-thread, has the educational level of an 8th grader) has said is true. It doesn't mean she's any less guilty for subjecting her babies to danger; just that she possibly didn't comprehend it. Again, in my opinion, the holes in this story are starting to be filled in. IF what Angela said is true: SK hurts Elaina and her Dad is about to find out. Panic sets in. SK & his mother threaten Angela and she refuses to send the baby. Elaina's dad goes and gets his dad and returns to get Elaina. ALL three adults (is this correct?) are in the house at one point and SK's mother is telling Angela to give the baby to SK....she's screaming she'll never see her again. He leaves out the back way with the baby (on foot or possibly in a maroon van????) and she doesn't know where he went...BUT, SK and his mother could've convinced her that they were going to take Elaina some place where she could get medical attention for her or she could be looked after. In Angela's mind, she could've believed all this time (especially if the other players in this were telling her) that the baby was fine. It's high time LE pick up SK and his mother (who has been doing a lot of little finger-pointing and manipulating - again, IMOO) in for some really intense interrogation :jail:.

I'm wondering if there's a way to tell if the van was registered to the Federal Street residence without sleuthing someone not mentioned as a POI?

I too am praying for a miracle...lease:

The van belongs to someone in the family, do not know if it SK or someone else. However, SK has driven it recently.

 

[SammyIam]

Who had custody of the girls? Where is the 4 year old?
FerretMom (I'm a ferret grandmother of 4) please know that my family is praying for you and your family and hoping you are surrounded by courage, strength and love.

 

[vasportsmom]

Who had custody of the girls? Where is the 4 year old?
FerretMom (I'm a ferret grandmother of 4) please know that my family is praying for you and your family and hoping you are surrounded by courage, strength and love.

FM has said that the 4yo is with TJ, her father. He worked nights, as did his gf, so the girls stayed with Angela.

 

[Solitaryone]

Preach it Mama . I had a moment of near sympathy and then caught myself. If she were in fear of her own life then the moment TJ and TJ sr and certainly then LE arrived on the scene, was she still afraid of SK?
Is anyone else beginning to wonder if SK is in hiding because Angela is trying to stick this on him and for some reason he had nothing to do with harming the baby ?

I've wondered if Angela was trying to put everything all on Steven King, but I just don't quite know what to think about that. I think both are responsible. Maybe Angela did whatever to baby Elaina and SK and maybe this Mike covered for her by hiding baby Elaina, but then why risk prison for Angela? And do we know where SK is tonight? This is all so surreal and terrible. I guess its possible SK is scared, but why did he try and come at TS in a threatening way on the front porch if he had nothing to do with this?

Geesh! This is frying my nerves!

Please let baby Elaina be found tonight!

 

[vasportsmom]

Preach it Mama . I had a moment of near sympathy and then caught myself. If she were in fear of her own life then the moment TJ and TJ sr and certainly then LE arrived on the scene, was she still afraid of SK?
Is anyone else beginning to wonder if SK is in hiding because Angela is trying to stick this on him and for some reason he had nothing to do with harming the baby ?

I really want to lean that way but I can't understand why JK would be covering for Angela. Idk, the whole situation stinks and none of the pieces fit. If SK did it then I can't understand AS staying quiet once TS and LE were on the scene (especially not for 10 days). If AS did it, and I really feel that she did and that happened before she arrived at the King home, then why did JK not say that right off the bat before Angela could blame her son? There are some weird dynamics going on here.

 

[SuperTmo]

I understand. I'm trying to reserve judgment, too, until more evidence comes out. At the same time, I'm suspicious, given what FM has posted about how Angela has allegedly treated both children in the recent past. IMO, Angela strikes me as someone who has felt burdened by being a parent, and has taken her frustration out on her innocent, helpless babies (purportedly grabbing the 4 year old by the arm & flinging her onto the couch, forcing the 4 year old to stay in her room for extended periods of time to watch cartoons to supposedly keep her "out of her hair", keeping the baby in her exer-saucer and/or playpen for long periods of time. Then there are reports by JK who stated that Angela was rough with the children, and that Angela struck one of them in the face).

I can't give Angela a pass on her own alleged abusive behavior. Unless a competent forensic psychologist gives her a psych eval that concludes there is a mental deficit, I'm going to consider Angela a 25 year old adult, and I'm going to assume that she knows right from wrong. I'm also going to assume that she knows it's her duty as her children's mother to protect them from an abusive boyfriend. The thing is: If she's also abusing them, she might not blink twice when it comes to anyone else abusing them. IMO, she may have believed that any abuse they suffered at the hands of SK was deserved *discipline*. MOO

Angela's own alleged abusive history is why I'm suspicious of her, as well as the lies that she's told.

BBM. Maybe this has been addressed, I don't know. If all of this was going on, and people witnessed it, how come nobody reported it? Or has CPS been involved with this family all along? I missed the relationship between FM and the rest of these people... and I'm not trying to offend, but if people have seen Angela treating her kids like garbage and they didn't report it, I'd love to know why. I don't understand how anyone can stand by knowing kids are being mistreated and not do anything. If someone witnessed a cut on the back of the baby's head and heard from the 4 year old that it came from the baby being thrown on the bed and hitting her head...why wasn't it reported?? Even if you think someone has already reported it, it does not hurt to call again. I get the feeling that everyone knew Angela was a terrible mother and nobody did anything about it. I hope that's not the case. I hope she was reported for every single incident, but I have a feeling that isn't how it all happened...

Edit to say... sorry if this has been addressed... I'm only on page 13 I think.

 

[doubt]

seems my post offended people but as i said, if i'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

as for the word ''assumed,'' it was the only one i could come up with. i was trying to be sensitive to FM while asking a question i had not seen an answer to. someone said the father had witnessed the mother ''being rough'' with the kids. i mean, seriously.....what does that even mean? has no one here ever dealt with an angry ex making baloney or highly embellished claims in an effort to make themselves look better? most people do it....and never have those claims come back to them in the midst of a horror such as this. i'm going to keep this and other things in mind until the real facts come out here.

in regard to why would someone not break immediately....we all know there are a million reasons why that could be the case. it's like asking why one held against their will doesn't walk out the door the moment their captor leaves the building.

personally, right or wrong, she did not strike me as anything like casey anthony.

apparently all of the above puts me in an unpopular minority here, although i find it somewhat perplexing that such a thing could even exist so early in a case that is obviously quite complicated.

my thoughts and prayers are with this precious little one and all of those are shattered this night, hoping for even one more chance to rock her safely to sleep. i cannot imagine their pain.

 

[Ferretmommy]

Oh sure, cry now that you've been caught! Not one tear for your daughter, who you KNEW had been hurt/injured, not one tear, but wait, everyone just needs to make you comfortable & quit pointing their fingers at you. I could spit nails right now I'm so mad.

I hope grandpa does find SK!
And I hope that LE is turning up some serious heat when talking to SK's mom about his whereabouts.


Kinda OT, but does anyone know who called out "I love you" to AM in the courtroom? Just curious

ETA I hate that innocent family members are getting threats. I know people (me among them) are furious about yet another child being abused, but that aint right

That was her dad (step) Richard Schiewe. And the bond is not 25,000 but 250,000, no 10%.

 

[The Cheese]

When is the news conference, and will it be live streamed?

The family press conference already took place about 7:30 this evening. It wasn't live streamed.

 

[Solitaryone]

I really want to lean that way but I can't understand why JK would be covering for Angela. Idk, the whole situation stinks and none of the pieces fit. If SK did it then I can't understand AS staying quiet once TS and LE were on the scene (especially not for 10 days). If AS did it, and I really feel that she did and that happened before she arrived at the King home, then why did JK not say that right off the bat before Angela could blame her son? There are some weird dynamics going on here.

Yup! Very weird dynamics! With what we do know now, I think both Angela and SK are responsible. JK pointing at Angela, and Angela pointing at Steven. And why did Angela wait until she was arrested before she claimed SK was threatening her?

 

[lucimhome]

I don't think that TJ's family "assumed" anything. FM has said that TJ witnessed Angela being rough with the children and threatened to leave her if she didn't change. He then followed through with leaving her.

I'm not understanding the viewing of Angela as challenged in any way. She doesn't come across as being brilliant but she reminds me of Casey Anthony - young, shallow and narcissistic. Angela seems to have a good command of the English language (even if she uses it to make rage inducing comments) and she is capable of turning on the tears when it suits her.

I'm not feeling C.A. hear. I wish I wasn't so taken by the birthing vessel. I think S.K. and his possee are frightening people. His Mother J. K. is the ring leader.

 

[vasportsmom]

BBM. Maybe this has been addressed, I don't know. If all of this was going on, and people witnessed it, how come nobody reported it? Or has CPS been involved with this family all along? I missed the relationship between FM and the rest of these people... and I'm not trying to offend, but if people have seen Angela treating her kids like garbage and they didn't report it, I'd love to know why. I don't understand how anyone can stand by knowing kids are being mistreated and not do anything. If someone witnessed a cut on the back of the baby's head and heard from the 4 year old that it came from the baby being thrown on the bed and hitting her head...why wasn't it reported?? Even if you think someone has already reported it, it does not hurt to call again. I get the feeling that everyone knew Angela was a terrible mother and nobody did anything about it. I hope that's not the case. I hope she was reported for every single incident, but I have a feeling that isn't how it all happened...

Edit to say... sorry if this has been addressed... I'm only on page 13 I think.

A lot of what you are focusing on isn't reportable. Sure it is crappy parenting to stick your child in front of a tv or in a playpen all day but it isn't illegal. FM (she is married to TJ's father) said they had planned to report the injury found Memorial Day weekend but I can't recall if she said they had followed through before the baby went missing. It seems to me that TJ was attempting to protect his children by insisting that Angela keep them at homes where he felt they would be better cared for but Angela went against his wishes that weekend and he had no knowledge of that until it was too late.

 

[TOLEDO]

Preach it Mama . I had a moment of near sympathy and then caught myself. If she were in fear of her own life then the moment TJ and TJ sr and certainly then LE arrived on the scene, was she still afraid of SK?
Is anyone else beginning to wonder if SK is in hiding because Angela is trying to stick this on him and for some reason he had nothing to do with harming the baby ?

WNWO Is covering the press conference story right now.
There is video of Angela with the baby from the day before.

If this girl isn't broken (Angela) - I don't know who is. Good Lord. She seems like she can't take care of herself let alone another human being.

There is a call for UNITY to find her...

 

[lucimhome]

That was her dad (step) Richard Schiewe. And the bond is not 25,000 but 250,000, no 10%.

I just seen your Son on TV and he is a very strong, BRAVE young man. He is doing the same as you, in not jumping to blame anyone and only wanting the baby. Stay strong and I pray you all have her soon.

 

[Tonya421]

seems my post offended people but as i said, if i'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

as for the word ''assumed,'' it was the only one i could come up with. i was trying to be sensitive to FM while asking a question i had not seen an answer to. someone said the father had witnessed the mother ''being rough'' with the kids. i mean, seriously.....what does that even mean? has no one here ever dealt with an angry ex making baloney or highly embellished claims in an effort to make themselves look better? most people do it....and never have those claims come back to them in the midst of a horror such as this. i'm going to keep this and other things in mind until the real facts come out here.

in regard to why would someone not break immediately....we all know there are a million reasons why that could be the case. it's like asking why one held against their will doesn't walk out the door the moment their captor leaves the building.


personally, right or wrong, she did not strike me as anything like casey anthony.

apparently all of the above puts me in an unpopular minority here, although i find it somewhat perplexing that such a thing could even exist so early in a case that is obviously quite complicated.




my thoughts and prayers are with this precious little one and all of those are shattered this night, hoping for even one more chance to rock her safely to sleep. i cannot imagine their pain.

I'm not offended, I'm just trying to catch up here & keep an eye on the game

 

[SCHMAE]

BBM. Maybe this has been addressed, I don't know. If all of this was going on, and people witnessed it, how come nobody reported it? Or has CPS been involved with this family all along? I missed the relationship between FM and the rest of these people... and I'm not trying to offend, but if people have seen Angela treating her kids like garbage and they didn't report it, I'd love to know why. I don't understand how anyone can stand by knowing kids are being mistreated and not do anything. If someone witnessed a cut on the back of the baby's head and heard from the 4 year old that it came from the baby being thrown on the bed and hitting her head...why wasn't it reported?? Even if you think someone has already reported it, it does not hurt to call again. I get the feeling that everyone knew Angela was a terrible mother and nobody did anything about it. I hope that's not the case. I hope she was reported for every single incident, but I have a feeling that isn't how it all happened...

Edit to say... sorry if this has been addressed... I'm only on page 13 I think.

These are 2 different instances I believe. The 4 yr old said something about being afraid of SK because he threw her or the little baby on the bed AFTER she got safely to her dad and dads' family's home just 11 days ago. This is something she has said recently about SK. That is really heartbreaking but I'm sure she will never ever be in the company of her mother or any of her mother's bf's again. Correct me someone if I got that wrong. tks

 

[laniefi]

Some where I saw Goodyear St
mentioned which is in Oregon Ohio. Also there are two hospitals there. St. Charles and Bay Park.

St Charles is the closest, but there are probably 4 or so hospitals in a 15 mile radius. There is st v 's right across the river which is a level 1 trauma center as well.

 

[lucimhome]

Some where I saw Goodyear St
mentioned which is in Oregon Ohio. Also there are two hospitals there. St. Charles and Bay Park.

The
Goodyear St. I know in Oregon, there isn't any Hospitals on there. It's residential.