GUILTY OH - Elaina Steinfurth, 17 months, Toledo, 2 Jun 2013 - #2

[dillysmom11]

I'm trying to put SK seen throwing up down the street, with SK ran out of the house with this Mike guy- how did he do both? Where was Mike when he was puking?

 

[dizzigirl1]

I tend to believe AS and really like your post, it explains why i haven't gotten as angry at her, she seems to have been trapped in a morass of fear and stupidity. As her stepdad said, she made big mistakes and has to pay for them but that doesn't mean she did more than what we know now and her story fits especially that "if he takes her etc."

Trying to understand behaviour and work with it effectively to build skills is what i do all day. I drive myself crazy reading stuff on here at times. There is just something about this whole situation that isn't sitting right with me. We have all probably seen people out shopping who cross the line between right and wrong ways to deal with kids in our eyes and possibly never stepped in for whatever reason at the time, maybe doubt that what we see is not viewed as wrong by the majority or maybe mum or dad have had no sleep for 6 nights straight because their toddler wont sleep etc & we dont want to interfere and then if something serious happens, we get upset that no-one said anything & hindsight is great after the fact. In this situation, yep we have non super mum who clearly isn't ready for kids who has been led into a situation that we find reprehensible because a little girl has now been missing for days and we cant find her. Sadly, this happens all the time, most people are lucky that serious stuff doesn't happen. In my weirdo head i see a toddler who is curious, has grabbed the pretty lollies or something on a table because the house isn't kid proof, swallowed them & a whole stack of reactions have happened while mum has been sleeping off her own lollies. Thats why i think that SK is being protected by JK. AS probably woke up into it. Which is why she is behaving the way she is & making it all about her because somewhere in that selfish head, she feels guilt now because she has got the consequence of her behaviour. Jail & its dawned one her that she is possibly never going to see her daughter again. (Ferretmommy, i hope the never part is wrong with all my heart & Elaina comes home) Wow i ramble. Sorry everyone. I just really care about Elainas family and how people are seeing them.

 

[ACandyRose]

I can't see this, can you help me out?

Sorry, apparently my original post here where I gave some tidbit search suggestions to find a related person named "Mike" to the King family address was deleted here by the mods, so I can't post the name or info found on the Toledo clerk site.

ACR

 

[floridamomma]

Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for a few months, and have followed this case closely. For whatever reason I finally registered and am chiming in.

First off- Ferretmom- my heart breaks for you and your family. I have experience with DCF due to an ex, and I understand all too well any hesitancy in notifying them of potential abuse. Those of you who jump up on a soapbox and yell that everyone should have called and reported AS simply have NO CLUE of the hell that DCF is- and while I may only have a small bit of experience with them, google will show you just how insane they are. A caseworker point blank told me that it's rare that they make a positive difference in a child's life, more often it pisses off the abusive parent and the child only suffers more.

My second point to make, AS claims that her sweet baby was "dropped". I see that some of you have pointed out that babies are unbelievably "bouncy" and survive many accidents. So I think most agree that baby e was not "dropped". That word is very passive, I mean, I might "drop" my car keys, or drop off a kid at a friends house. When I fell going up the steps in the rain and landed on my 2 year old, I was ready to call an ambulance- forget my sprained ankle, I was horrified that I'd hurt him. He was fine- mad at me- but fine. In relaying the incident to my husband, I said, "I fell and slammed his head on the steps!" In my experience, I fell (not worried about me) but I felt so bad about the baby that I worded it as "slammed his head"... Seems to me AS is minimizing what happened to E, defending the bf, still.

Anyways. Nice to finally chime in and say HI! I've been reading a ton on many cases here, but won't even begin to claim to have all these rules down pat, so knock me into line if needed.

PS- I am a wife to one hot firefighter, momma to 5 (20, 18, 17, 13 & 2) and just became a gramma to one cute baby grande! I live in FL, love to bake bread and always dreamed of growing up to be Nancy Drew.

 

[vasportsmom]

Back at the beach today but I will be checking in often. Come home baby girl!

 

[2girlzmm]

WELCOME Floridamomma!

 

[dillysmom11]

Welcome Floridamomma!!! You are as busy as I (I have 11).

Those of you who jump up on a soapbox and yell that everyone should have called and reported AS simply have NO CLUE of the hell that DCF is- and while I may only have a small bit of experience with them, google will show you just how insane they are. A caseworker point blank told me that it's rare that they make a positive difference in a child's life, more often it pisses off the abusive parent and the child only suffers more.

I wholeheartedly agree with you! I've worked closely with DCFS for 12 years and I can attest that they do, indeed, make things worse for parents and children. I fostered kids who had no business being in foster care and fought for them to go home.

That said, in THIS particular case (and in others like this!!), if no family member was willing to file for custody of Baby E- then CPS should have been called to save her life. No family really believes that their child/grandchild will be abused to death.

 

[dillysmom11]

Double post!

 

[vasportsmom]

Double post!

O/T but 11? OMG , how do you manage? Two gets the best of me some days and mine are nearly 13 & 18!

Welcome FLmommy. I'm a VA mommy that has been hanging out in FL this week. I just brought my youngest out to Saint Augustine beach for the day but rain and hard waves have sent us scrambling for the car. I was hoping to log on and find news of a few more arrests.

 

[JustPeachy]

Welcome Floridamomma!!

I'm a Florida momma also.

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

Why are there 33 guests viewing this early in the morning?!? Somebody knows something!

well, it's early in the morning to you.. to me it's the afternoon!

 

[4SAM]

Everytime you guys say Steven King, I think of Stepehn King the horror writer and I keep picturing him with a baby. Creepy me out. Just saying. I think in other countries they get the information needed out of people by "force" if you know what I mean and sometimes in cases like this I wish that we could do the same and not be condemned for it.

 

[ArianeEmory]

(Sorry, but no, I don't think POIs should be tortured, esp. when they haven't even been arrested for a crime.)

 

[Amster]

When i talked about "8th grade mentality", i was talking about how we can behave at 14. Some people never grow out of the selfish teenage behaviours growing up that we can have. We all have different ways of describing things. That is the way i see AM. Selfish, attention seeking & can be easily manipulated with male attention. I also think she freaked in whatever situation she was presented with at the time & wasn't capable of rational thought just followed whatever she was told to do in that 20 mins. Self preservation mode has probably kicked in now & she's possibly trying to justify her behaviour to herself and anyone who will listen to deflect blame from her bad choices that sadly have probably resulted in an outcome that she would never have wanted. While i dont believe for a second i would ever be in that situation i have tried to put myself in hers to try to understand how it could possibly happen. Her former husband is trying to do that himself so for now, until there is real evidence of bad intentions on her part, i want to be someone who gives her a bit of the benefit of doubt & try to understand the situation she put herself & her babies in. Definitely dont like that her bubba is missing & want her found & that she has behaved in an incredibly stupid dangerous way, so its a good thing she has timeout locked up. Sorry for the ramble this situation just makes my blood boil because i think that she shouldn't be the only one locked up.

I don't believe she is locked up for "timeout".....I also don't believe that her endangering the life of a baby was her behaving in an incredibly stupid dangerous way. She acted as a criminal. Behaved as a criminal. And, now she is locked up just like the criminal she is being charged as. :twocents:

 

[vasportsmom]

I don't believe she is locked up for "timeout".....I also don't believe that her endangering the life of a baby was her behaving in an incredibly stupid dangerous way. She acted as a criminal. Behaved as a criminal. And, now she is locked up just like the criminal she is being charged as. :twocents:

No kidding. Angela knew that she was not supposed to have the girls at that home but not only did she take them there she lied about having nowhere else to go just to get to stay there! This isn't some poor, young, misunderstood child we are talking about here. She is married, mother of 2 with family surrounding her. She may have dropped out of school in 8th grade but she isn't unintelligent or challenged. She comes across as shallow and manipulative but certainly not disabled or even disadvantaged. Angela wanted to be with SK - her children be damned. She has a history of mistreating those girls according to FM so why is it so hard to accept that she couldn't care less that SK was doing it as well. Those babies were a nuisance and even with one gone Angela's tears are only for herself IMO.

 

[swanniee11]

I wish there were updates. I wonder if they found anything in the van they towed yesterday. IMO

 

[Solitaryone]

From all I seen they are focus on the baby. The one's with more of the answers are the "KINGS"...

Hi lucimhome, yes their focus is on baby Elaina. What I was commenting on was a quote from Richard Schiewe, Angela's dad. This is what my comment was in regards to:

"Angela's father Richard Schiewe was in court for his daughters arraignment. He says the stress of the missing toddler and suspicions over his daughter have split the family, "we're fighting, my family and TJ's family and we're fighting against each other. We can't do that. This is my granddaughter," says Schiewe."

And this:

"A call for unity is what the family is asking for to keep the focus on finding Elaina, "we're trying to search every field, every weeded area, every alley, every vacant house in the city of Toledo we are trying to get," explains Steinfurth, Senior."

This from:

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=909586#.UbtL8pxi3gZ


And I agree, the King's have more of the answers.

 

[Redux]

I don't recall this being asked or asked & answered, but does anyone know if Angela uses or is addicted to any drugs? Thanks, sorry if this has been covered already.

 

[Solitaryone]

I am confused. Is SK missing or not? I thought LE said at the presser that they think they know where he is (which I interpret as, yes...they know exactly where he is). So, why the does missing FB page for baby Elaina say that he is wanted by police and to call 911 if you see him?
https://www.facebook.com/HelpFindElainaSteinfurth?ref=nf

I wish we knew! Either LE knows where he is already and isn't saying anything or he's MIA and they're not saying anything. Makes my head spin!

 

[Solitaryone]

http://www.tmc-clerk.com/caseinformation/

Middle initial "B", birth year 1972.

Let's just say he's not somebody I'd want my kid hanging around with !!

And he's obviously "hell on wheels" if you get the drift !

ACR

edited to add.. if you're wondering if you got the right person in the court records, check case # TRD-11-28479-0404.. 12/21/2011 and there's a .pdf doc to download that shows this person lives a the same address on Federal where his cousin Steven King lives. ;-)

Thank's ACR! I saw lots there, but don't see a link to pdf doc ?