GUILTY OH - Elaina Steinfurth, 17 months, Toledo, 2 Jun 2013 - #3

[2girlzmm]

http://www.13abc.com/global/categor...=default&clipId=9011674#.UcM_w-5xhLk.facebook

More about the altercation this morning.

 

[The Cheese]

I think maybe it was Angela abusing the children all along, and blaming it on SK. Kind of like what she seems to be doing right now. And LE says SK isn't a suspect, and is cooperating with them. And he's not in jail. That tells me that Angela has been unable to point LE to any evidence at all that SK was involved in Elaina's disappearance to support her claims, or I think he'd be in jail too.

My finger is pointed right at Angela, and I'm waiting for her to tell the truth about what happened to Elaina. I'm not holding my breath though. I think LE is going to get to the bottom of it despite Angela, not because of her.

All just my opinion.

 

[2girlzmm]

Cheese I think you are right. Right now I am on the side that it was all Angela but that can change at any moment. Part of why I think it is all AS is because SK has a son and we have not heard that he was rough or abusive to his son. And I believe if SK had been that would have been all over the news as well. Another reason is that TJ left her because how she treated the kids and JK throw her out because of the same thing. Oh and SK bumped her once again for the same thing. Hope she never sees daylight again.

 

[Isabelle]

Sorry if this is a duplicate. I had not seen this before:

http://www.toledofreepress.com/2013/06/19/neighbor-adds-new-clue-to-missing-toddler-case/

"Angel Zam, a family friend, said she heard Angela screaming at Elaina.

“I’ve seen her be abusive, have heard her scream [to Elaina], ‘You little !’ You know, stuff you just don’t say,’ she said. “She was really abusive to the kids. She had a lot of issues. I felt sorry for her.”

Zak Zam, Angel’s son, said he witnessed similar incidents.

“She just seemed very violent toward the [4-year-old daughter]. Slapped her across the face, said, ‘You little b*tch.’ Those are some of the worse things that I’ve seen,” he said.

Angel said Angela would leave Elaina alone for hours at a time.

“That baby was in the playpen for 20 out of 24 hours. I feel so bad because I didn’t do anything. I feel ashamed,” she said.

And it was said that this baby had some sort of developmental/motor problems? No question about why!

 

[ahintexas]

Day 19: Elaina's mother appears in court on child endangering charges
Updated: Jun 20, 2013 12:26 PM EDT

As the search for missing Elaina continues, her mother, Angela Steinfurth, has been behind bars on child endangering charges.

She made her second courtroom appearance Thursday morning very quickly, only taking about five minutes. Angela looked shaken and fidgeted throughout her entire appearance, while the family looked on with high emotion.

The prosecution asked to resume Monday at the request of Toledo police. After leaving the courtroom, things got heated outside the courthouse when an argument erupted between both sides of the family.

"It ain't about you guys. It ain't about the media. It ain't about talking smack and everything, and sitting around campfires. It's about my granddaughter. It ain't about them, and it ain't about me. It's about my granddaughter, and my daughter, and bringing my granddaughter home," said Elaina's grandfather, Richard Schiewe.

Angela returned to the Lucas County Jail, where police have access to keep questioning her.

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/...toddler?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

It's not even about his daughter, it's about Elaina. That's it. Finding Elaina & bringing her home.

 

[Amster]

Well....supposedly AS was needing someplace to stay the night she showed up at SK house. Why didn't she stay with step dad? Did he turn her and his grandbabies away?

 

[momrids6]

Well....supposedly AS was needing someplace to stay the night she showed up at SK house. Why didn't she stay with step dad? Did he turn her and his grandbabies away?

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http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/06/1...ye-bloody-nose

If you watch the video, Elaina has Angela's cell phone- looks like she drops it and Angela is picking up the pieces. There is also another person on that porch. I wonder if we are seeing the entire video....( see quote below from tonya ) There is a reason she "all of a sudden" needed to not sleep at RS's home...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonya421
Right? This girl is hanging herself, just heard on JVM that she texted her stepdad that she wasn't going to stay with him Saturday night because "SK is the only one who can help me with this"

Don't know what "this' is
ETA: Notice- she was right by RS's home. She texted him- she did not go over and tell him.... I would say the injuries are from Mom....there is a lot of concrete around.

Also- looks like Elaina may have soiled her diaper before she dropped the phone. We only see her bringing Elaina inside- while talking to the woman who remained outside. Something could have transpired inside also.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Can we somehow WS wise create a fund raiser to help them recover the loss? ON FB or on Here? Perhaps a paypal button , just for this one thing? I know it's not the job of ws but we know how heavily they are relied on . Or maybe does TES have a paypal donate on their site? Maybe we should all just share like mad on fb and try to get a few dollars here or there to go in to the fund. It would be a big tragedy if they closed their doors


OT sorry mods.

I alerted on one of Ransom's posts with a link to ask. I hadnt heard anything about it until a couple secs ago when I read ransom's posts with the news links. The problem is that I usually use my iPad, so what I do is leave open tabs with the threads I visit the most...so I don't always see the front page of the site or of individual forums very reliably. It would be nice if maybe they could have an announcement at the top of whatever page you're on - sort of like what happened when Hailey Dunn's remains were found (iirc). Or like where they have the announcement about Emma's Law right now.

 

[SCHMAE]

My G-d how many people knew that she was abusing those girls and stayed quiet or how many chances did CPS have to intervene and failed to act? It makes me sick to think of what sweet Elaina and K were forced to endure by the woman that should have loved and protected them above all others.

I hate her and anyone who saw her do that and not report it, shame on you ! Elaina's fate was in your hands and you turned her out to the wolves.

And if she did that in front of other friends/ family / witnesses, imagine what their life was like behind closed doors
I feel the 4yr old is lucky to be alive today Hug that baby girl, Ferretmommy !

ETA bbm, I'm talking about the friends who saw her slap her 4 yr old and call her a b**** and did nothing. I'm not talking about their daddy and his family who did report to cps or what the agency is called in OH. Every day another friend or two comes up and says OH yeah, we saw her wailing on those kids , she was mean .................. AND????? That's all? Sickening !

 

[SCHMAE]

I alerted on one of Ransom's posts with a link to ask. I hadnt heard anything about it until a couple secs ago when I read ransom's posts with the news links. The problem is that I usually use my iPad, so what I do is leave open tabs with the threads I visit the most...so I don't always see the front page of the site or of individual forums very reliably. It would be nice if maybe they could have an announcement at the top of whatever page you're on - sort of like what happened when Hailey Dunn's remains were found (iirc). Or like where they have the announcement about Emma's Law right now.

Tks. I took the link from that post and put it on fb with a please share a short description. Anyone can do that and get their friends to share it and give a few bucks.

 

[Kimster]

I don't know if there are any clues on this site, but it sure is sad: http://dreamcatchersforabusedchildren.com/abuse/the-signs-of-abuse/?gclid=CMTz5a2o87cCFWKCQgodlCwAzg

 

[rob]

RS makes no sense to me. I can't figure out what he means when he's talking. Is anyone with me or am I hanging out here in la-la land by myself?

In my opinion, he loves and wants the baby back, but doesn't want to get Angela in trouble. I feel certain, when Angela finally says ' Stephen did it" his whole clan will come down on her like a ton of bricks. I don't feel like she has said it yet, or he'd be in jail, too. Could be she is the one who hurt the baby, and boyfriend just got rid of the body (or assisted her)

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Sorry if this is a duplicate. I had not seen this before:

http://www.toledofreepress.com/2013/06/19/neighbor-adds-new-clue-to-missing-toddler-case/

"Angel Zam, a family friend, said she heard Angela screaming at Elaina.

“I’ve seen her be abusive, have heard her scream [to Elaina], ‘You little !’ You know, stuff you just don’t say,’ she said. “She was really abusive to the kids. She had a lot of issues. I felt sorry for her.”

Zak Zam, Angel’s son, said he witnessed similar incidents.

“She just seemed very violent toward the [4-year-old daughter]. Slapped her across the face, said, ‘You little b*tch.’ Those are some of the worse things that I’ve seen,” he said.

Angel said Angela would leave Elaina alone for hours at a time.

“That baby was in the playpen for 20 out of 24 hours. I feel so bad because I didn’t do anything. I feel ashamed,” she said.

OT and JMOO, good for her, she should feel ashamed.

:cry: One night last summer I got home after 13 hrs work, on my feet most of the time, feeling like death and I knew it was gonna be that way for the next 20 days in a row. And I was so tired I didn't even want to eat dinner or shower, and when I got into my bedroom, my cat was peeing on the blanket on my bed. I Burst into tears and snarled, "you b*st*rd!" Of course he fled the room and hid. By the time I cleaned the pee and changed the bed, I was bawling because I felt like a giant piece of chit for reacting that way...the poor cat was confused and lonely because all of a sudden I was gone 13 hours of the day, he was stressed out because it changed his routine, and feeling insecure. He can't talk but that's what his behavior said. And i know that as a behavioral scientis! Yet instead of addressing the stressors, I made it worse by shouting at him and losing my temper instead of reacting rationally. Even now my face and ears are burning with shame because I know that I was the one who behaved badly that day. I have not ever done it again. So when I see that Angela said these things, I feel like it is final confirmation that she and I are from different planets or something. It is worse than asking why should I look for my baby and all the rest.

 

[momrids6]

Sorry if this is a duplicate. I had not seen this before:

http://www.toledofreepress.com/2013/06/19/neighbor-adds-new-clue-to-missing-toddler-case/

"Angel Zam, a family friend, said she heard Angela screaming at Elaina.

“I’ve seen her be abusive, have heard her scream [to Elaina], ‘You little !’ You know, stuff you just don’t say,’ she said. “She was really abusive to the kids. She had a lot of issues. I felt sorry for her.”

Zak Zam, Angel’s son, said he witnessed similar incidents.

“She just seemed very violent toward the [4-year-old daughter]. Slapped her across the face, said, ‘You little b*tch.’ Those are some of the worse things that I’ve seen,” he said.

Angel said Angela would leave Elaina alone for hours at a time.

“That baby was in the playpen for 20 out of 24 hours. I feel so bad because I didn’t do anything. I feel ashamed,” she said.

You learn how to parent from your parents....imo

 

[Kimster]

You learn how to parent from your parents....imo

That can be a HUGE factor, but I know grandparents who took their grandkids from their parents because they WEREN'T raising them like they were raised. In each case, severe illegal drug abuse has been involved.

 

[floridamomma]

OTE=2girlzmm;9584833]Cheese I think you are right. Right now I am on the side that it was all Angela but that can change at any moment. Part of why I think it is all AS is because SK has a son and we have not heard that he was rough or abusive to his son. And I believe if SK had been that would have been all over the news as well. Another reason is that TJ left her because how she treated the kids and JK throw her out because of the same thing. Oh and SK bumped her once again for the same thing. Hope she never sees daylight again.[/QUOTE]

I'm undecided on SK. but wasnt it K that said he threw E on the bed, causing a cut on her head? and she feared him, she had a reason...

 

[2girlzmm]

She (K) did and that is what throws me off and I keep thinking SK might have had something to do with it. If AS would just spill it and tell the truth for once then I wouldn't be confused.

 

[momrids6]

That can be a HUGE factor, but I know grandparents who took their grandkids from their parents because they WEREN'T raising them like they were raised. In each case, severe illegal drug abuse has been involved.

In reviewing the behavior of RS and AS in MSM interviews, I'd say this was a huge factor in this case.

My grandparents basically raised me....at least my mother handed me off to someone who gave a $#@*

ETA: I should have put "parents"... whomever raises you-

and as a parent-ultimately, one is responsible for their own behavior; if it is inappropriate, one should seek assistance.

 

[fredlefebvre]

Tomorrow the http://texasequusearch.org/ team will be in Toledo to begin conducting searches for baby Elaina. I spoke with Terry today and he is very excited about this group helping out. The event at the courthouse today can in my opinion be placed squarely on the shoulders of RS. Having been around TJ a number of times in the last few days I can attest to the fact that he is doing everything in his power to remain calm and keep it together, his girlfriend BN is a calming influence also. He knows he has to be careful so that he doesn't end up in jail himself and lose Kylee. They will join me once again on NG tonight, and was supposed to do JVM but am waiting confirmation. Thanks to the NG show by the way for using the pics I took of the Federal St. house and yard.

 

[vasportsmom]

That can be a HUGE factor, but I know grandparents who took their grandkids from their parents because they WEREN'T raising them like they were raised. In each case, severe illegal drug abuse has been involved.

I agree. My parents were ... Well, lets just say that they won't ever be getting any awards for their parenting skills. My mom was just too young, shallow and unsettled to be a mother (she left when I was 5 and it was probably the kindest thing she could have done for us) and my dad meant well but he equated being a good father with being a workaholic that could buy us the moon. He married multiple sketchy women to "find us a mom" but luckily he did divorce them as soon as he realized they were useless (at best). My brothers and I took very different lessons from our childhoods. My ex SIL sums it up perfectly by saying that I watched my parents and learnt exactly what not to do while my brothers declared it a competition and set out to fail even worse.

My mom lives with me now (after sending her to FL one Fri to go live with her sis and then being forced to make a panicked, spur of the moment 12+ drive to FL 4 days later to bring her back home) but we have a very strange relationship. The dynamics and roles are very much reversed. Angela & Billie Dunn both remind me a great deal of my mother. I think that is a lot of the reason that this case has caught me so tightly. I know the hell that Elaina & K likely lived with a mother like mine and no child should have to face that.