OH OH - Harley Dilly, 14, walking to Port Clinton High School, 20 Dec 2019 #2

[rosesfromangels]

There's one this weekend in Columbus. Harley did mention in one of his videos wanting to go to one. I've got a mini army looking out for Harley there, including the security staff - they were sent Harley's filer.

You are awesome!! Thank you!

 

[KCmetwo]

I appreciate your list and when some earlier posts mentioned that HD saying he didn't feel well and didn't want to school may have been because he was afraid of someone and may have been being stalked/threatened by someone I thought to myself, why wouldn't he just tell his parents? Maybe he was afraid of stressing his mom out - having watched the video in which he talks about her having had a stroke and a heart attack it seems that, even though they may have had a rocky relationship (what teen/parent doesn't?), I sensed that he was worried about her health. Also, maybe he had been told by his parents not to do certain things online and was afraid that he would be in trouble if he revealed he was being stalked/threatened as a result of those activities that he had been doing anyway.

I was thinking about this also. Is it possible he didn't tell his parents because of his previous charge if menacing and didn't want to get into trouble with them for fighting again?

 

[bellyup]

A person posted on Talk of Port Clinton (Original) Facebook site yesterday or day before that she spotted a pack of coyotes near Wilcox Rd (which is a few blocks south of the high school and is south of the freeway). She said that one of them was on Fulton Rd, which is the road that passes east of the high school.

It's happened that a coyote has attacked a person as large as Harley, but is very unusual and I'd expect that others would hear Harley scream or yell to summon help. However, if a pack of coyotes is in the area prowling at night that could mean movement of remains if they discover them before LE does, so the passage of time before his disappearance was reported might have allowed that.

No known, verified attack has occurred by a healthy coyote in Northeast Ohio on a human. Annually there are only two coyote attacks on people in the US with zero fatalities.

Ohio coyotes are small (25-30 lbs) and are also really rare in the Port Clinton area. Our gaming commission says they will not hunt or attack anything larger than a cocker spaniel. They're solo hunters despite what people want to believe. People in Ohio greatly fear them without knowing that they are essentially as harmless as a fox.

That's not to say they wouldn't move remains though

 

[Finch]

As a side note, it's raining relentlessly today I was hoping it would let up for the searchers but it looks like it's going to go non-stop.

Oh man. That sucks. I've been praying for the weather to cooperate that that all the searchers stay safe. I was hoping the weather would let us too.

 

[Mandrew]

Off topic but interesting, in Chicago they caught a coyote. It was chasing joggers. Another coyote or possibly the same one, attacked a six year old boy about 2 miles from where this one was caught

Coyote caught on North Side, authorities checking if it’s the animal that attacked boy at Notebaert museum

 

[katydid23]

IMO an individual in recovery that ends up in a sober living house has other things to worry about than creeping on a kid next door. They are there to get their life back on track and get their checks marked off the list they are given. They have a list they have to get through before they can leave that house. It's part of the recovery process if it's like most 1/2 way houses.

They have to get jobs, pass the test they are given (to make sure they are clean), they also have chores and other things they have to do. I haven't looked at that link, BUT my nephew was in a halfway house after he got out of rehab. It was a step that the clinic and my brother agreed would be good for him especially since he was going to my brothers house where there was a minor child at that time. My nephew told me of the things they had to do and they had to check in and out every time they left. Had to say where they were goin and have proof of where they went. Their main focus is keepin clean especially when the urge to use hit them, no matter what the addiction was.

All of the above is true, assuming the individual in recovery cares about their recovery process.

There is often that one bad apple that doesn't care about doing what is right.

And I have to admit, my mind goes to the two cases I remember on 'the 1st 48', where the arrested killers were both residents of halfway houses when they committed their murders.

One perv was watching young women who lived a few houses away, and did a home invasion and killed someone in that home, when he watched the other roomies drive away.

Another man was arrested when they found a dead body in a vacant lot down the street. Traced it back to a crazy guy who was living in the halfway house, after his jail time for a drug arrest was over. He had met a woman and killed her the previous day.

I am not saying there is anyone in that home responsible for this missing boy. Just saying it is a possibility that should be looked into, IMO.

 

[Diddian]

Off topic but interesting, in Chicago they caught a coyote. It was chasing joggers. Another coyote or possibly the same one, attacked a six year old boy about 2 miles from where this one was caught

Coyote caught on North Side, authorities checking if it’s the animal that attacked boy at Notebaert museum

I don't know if I'm uploading this correctly, but there is an associate professor and wildlife specialist at OSU who has studied coyotes and has produced an informational fact sheet. I think it extremely unlikely that a coyote would attack Harley because it is not likely it would be that far into town in the early morning and he is not a small child. However, it is not at all unlikely that a pair or group of them would move remains.

 

[mom2chloe]

The fact that the sober living house was so close to home has me feeling uneasy. Frequently addicts have suffered some sort of trauma in their past and often that trauma consists of sexual abuse and worse. Again, we only know of sexual predators who have been caught, successfully prosecuted and placed on the sex offender registry. There are infinitely many others out there looking for an opportune moment to harm children that we are unaware of. That Harley was unaware of and didn’t know to fear. Unbeknownst to him, his parents and neighbors the perp could literally have been living right next door. IMO
Prayers for the searchers today and hoping the find something preferably Harley alive and well!

 

[bellyup]

The fact that the sober living house was so close to home has me feeling uneasy. Frequently addicts have suffered some sort of trauma in their past and often that trauma consists of sexual abuse and worse. Again, we only know of sexual predators who have been caught, successfully prosecuted and placed on the sex offender registry. There are infinitely many others out there looking for an opportune moment to harm children that we are unaware of. That Harley was unaware of and didn’t know to fear. Unbeknownst to him, his parents and neighbors the perp could literally have been living right next door. IMO
Prayers for the searchers today and hoping the find something preferably Harley alive and well!

Based on things said at the candle light vigil ; It's my belief that LE completely checked into the 2-3 men living at the sober living house when Harley went missing.

 

[GordianKnot]

All of the above is true, assuming the individual in recovery cares about their recovery process.

There is often that one bad apple that doesn't care about doing what is right.

And I have to admit, my mind goes to the two cases I remember on 'the 1st 48', where the arrested killers were both residents of halfway houses when they committed their murders.

One perv was watching young women who lived a few houses away, and did a home invasion and killed someone in that home, when he watched the other roomies drive away.

Another man was arrested when they found a dead body in a vacant lot down the street. Traced it back to a crazy guy who was living in the halfway house, after his jail time for a drug arrest was over. He had met a woman and killed her the previous day.

I am not saying there is anyone in that home responsible for this missing boy. Just saying it is a possibility that should be looked into, IMO.

One of the questions I kept waiting for a reporter to ask in those Dec. 26th pcs that Chief Hickman gave was whether or not the surveillance video that showed HD walking toward the alley at 6:08 a.m. captured images of any other individuals on foot and/or any vehicles passing by that morning.

Of course, none of the reporters actually thought to ask the Chief that question…which is a shame, considering he appeared to be inclined to answer a lot more questions in the early days of the investigation.

He even disclosed that cadaver dogs had been through HD's home as well as "live dogs," and that they found nothing. Usually, LE doesn't release those type of investigative details to the public.

JMO.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I really wish Mom could elaborate on the morning he disappeared. About seeing him,not seeing him. What the difference is. She can't get into that, because it could jeopardize Harley. Did Harley name drop? Did he confide something to her that didn't register at the moment, but in hindsight she's thinking she should have seen it coming? Something about someone known in the community, a pillar of trust. Someone nobody would suspect because they passed a background check? I know there's a high chance it's some online perv. But what it is none of the usual suspects? The asking for specific video,and witness at certain times,and areas makes me wonder.
MOO

 

[MrsWatson]

That is NOT a half-way house in Harley's neighborhood. It is a sober living house. It is not for people coming out of the criminal justice system. It is for addicts in recovery.

 

[GordianKnot]

I really wish Mom could elaborate on the morning he disappeared. About seeing him,not seeing him. What the difference is. She can't get into that, because it could jeopardize Harley. Did Harley name drop? Did he confide something to her that didn't register at the moment, but in hindsight she's thinking she should have seen it coming? Something about someone known in the community, a pillar of trust. Someone nobody would suspect because they passed a background check? I know there's a high chance it's some online perv. But what it is none of the usual suspects? The asking for specific video,and witness at certain times,and areas makes me wonder.
MOO

BBM:

While it's entirely possible that HD's disappearance is related to an online predator, I think there's a pretty low probability of that being the case.

LE has stated there's no evidence of an abduction.

Since any interactions with a cyberstalker would have obviously taken place online, I'm convinced there would have been a digital trail leading LE straight to the online perp's proverbial doorstep.

To me, an online predator is somewhere near the very bottom of the list of likely scenarios.

JMO.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I really wish Mom could elaborate on the morning he disappeared. About seeing him,not seeing him. What the difference is. She can't get into that, because it could jeopardize Harley. Did Harley name drop? Did he confide something to her that didn't register at the moment, but in hindsight she's thinking she should have seen it coming? Something about someone known in the community, a pillar of trust. Someone nobody would suspect because they passed a background check? I know there's a high chance it's some online perv. But what it is none of the usual suspects? The asking for specific video,and witness at certain times,and areas makes me wonder.
MOO

IIRC, the mother reportedly had a stroke/heart attack last spring? Perhaps she takes meds or the after effects of her stroke effect her clarity at times. She may not recall the exchange precisely.

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

IIRC, the mother reportedly had a stroke/heart attack last spring? Perhaps she takes meds or the after effects of her stroke effect her clarity at times. She may not recall the exchange precisely.

amateur opinion and speculation

There's that too. Sadly.

 

[bellyup]

BBM:
While it's entirely possible that HD's disappearance is related to an online predator, I think there's a pretty low probability of that being the case.
LE has stated repeatedly there's no evidence of an abduction .
Since any interactions with a cyberstalker would have obviously taken place online, I'm convinced there would have been a digital trail leading straight to the online perp is this were the case.
To me, an online predator is somewhere near the very bottom of my list of likely scenarios.
JMO.

There is one thing in the "online predator" scenario that I can't get past. How did Harley communicate with them and arrange a 6am meet up on a specific day.

We know his phone was broken but it's entirely possible that he had access to talk to someone via lap top or gaming system within the home. However, I don't see very many child predators "setting an appointment" so to speak for such a specific time to vanish a kid RIGHT next to their home. I think most online predators would think they were walking into a trap if it was set up ahead and for a specific time.

If I could ask LE any question right now it would be "What time was Harley seen by the surveillance camera on other days?" Was 6:08am normal time for him to be on his way to school or an abnormal time for him to be on his way to school.

 

[redbud40]

Just a thought is there still pay phones around port Clinton I know they have gotten rid of a lot of them but if there is one maybe he could of used to call someone.

 

[osu]

Whoa, whoa, wait a sec. The chief stated Harley was headed toward school and his regular route was down an alley. A short walk to school, down an alley, at an extra ordinarily early time.

Walking down an alley approximate an hour and twenty minutes before school starts. My first thought is accident! Someone backing out of their garage. BLIND SPOTS FOLKS. I doubt many people would be thinking about students walking to school that early. My top theory is someone hit him, didn't want to get caught, and disposed of him.

I am livid at the chief right now. Perhaps disclosing that he was walking in an alley could have avoided all kinds of social media speculation and rumor.

I need a self imposed time out. Because the chief just showed himself to be at the top of the list of incompetence at its finest.

I thought it was said early on in the investigation that Harley was headed southeast of his home, away from the high school?

JMO

 

[lindylou]

Did he leave early to catch a bus out of town? If so he could be anywhere.

 

[Sam970407]

Just a thought is there still pay phones around port Clinton I know they have gotten rid of a lot of them but if there is one maybe he could of used to call someone.

Not to sound rude or anything..
However even if there was a payphone I honestly do not think children would even remotely know how to use it....
Homes hardly have a home phone, it's all cell. Just my thoughts .