OH OH - Harley Dilly, 14, walking to Port Clinton High School, 20 Dec 2019 #2

[KCmetwo]

I don't know if I'm uploading this correctly, but there is an associate professor and wildlife specialist at OSU who has studied coyotes and has produced an informational fact sheet. I think it extremely unlikely that a coyote would attack Harley because it is not likely it would be that far into town in the early morning and he is not a small child. However, it is not at all unlikely that a pair or group of them would move remains.

I USED to work for Animal Control in my County. I hate to tell you this BUT, if a Coyote is hungry it WILL go into town. If it is chasing after a food source and it runs into town, it will follow it, lights don't deter it. There are times that if they see something bigger they will change what they are going after, but they USUALLY don't attack humans. HOWEVER, many things can change that. If you look at the site for the Humane Society of the United States it will tell you "There have only been two recorded incidences in the United States and Canada of humans being killed by coyotes. One involved a child in Southern California in the 1980s and the other a 19-year old woman in Nova Scotia in 2009. These events, rare as they are, are serious and warrant serious response."
IF a coyote is cornered, feels threatened OR is rabid, IT WILL ATTACK, just like any other animal. The incidents the HSUSA sites are DEATHS, now, I don't know how accurate that information is because that would depend on the reporting agencies as well as the individual that was found deceased. Meaning, if there was anything that could have looked like an underlying cause that could have pointed the agency that was reporting said "attack" to see it as "animal activity" at the scene of a murder, etc.

I live in a town of abt 1800 people I live abt 4 blocks from the school, behind the school is the County Fairgrounds and a cornfield, our town is basically dropped in the middle of a cornfield. Coyotes have NO issue coming in to look for food. They are a bigger version of trash panda's (Raccoon's) around here.

 

[MrsWatson]

I really don't think Harley got eaten by a coyote.

JMO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I really don't think Harley got eaten by a coyote.

JMO

ITA. The screams would have been heard, trail of blood, flesh, bone etc would have been found.
MOO

 

[MassGuy]

ITA. The screams would have been heard, trail of blood, flesh, bone etc would have been found.
MOO

That, and it’s astronomically unlikely to begin with.

It’s not at the bottom of my list, it’s not even on it.

 

[KCmetwo]

I really don't think Harley got eaten by a coyote.

JMO

I should have said I didn't think he did either. I posted what HSUSA had for # of deaths and what I know based on personal experience, BUT I failed to mention that in the 8 years I DID work for Animal Control we NEVER had anyone attacked by a coyote. My town is so redneck we have Coyote hunts. They are trying to thin out the population of them around here because there are so many. I believe the Dept of Natural Resources has said that they are choking out the deer population, but not quite enough considering bambi still plays in traffic.

Coyotes WON'T attack UNLESS they feel threatened. Just like any other animal. I will agree with MrsWatson.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I’ve hit a wall. I think I’ve covered every possible scenario in my mind. I’m all out of ideas.
With one exception- Maybe someone along his route to school seized the opportunity to snatch him.
I’m wondering if anyone along that route missed work/school on Friday.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

That, and it’s astronomically unlikely to begin with.

It’s not at the bottom of my list, it’s not even on it.

I was wondering where you were. Hoping you would pop in and give your perspective.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Not to sound rude or anything..
However even if there was a payphone I honestly do not think children would even remotely know how to use it....
Homes hardly have a home phone, it's all cell. Just my thoughts .

Lol. So true. If anything, he used a burner phone.

 

[chypie]

Hi everyone, thank you for the warm welcome! Just a general reply to some questions. The locals are all over the place. Every.single.theory. is out there. A lot of it is "I heard..." or "I saw Harley's YT videos it's obvious _____" extremely sloppy comment threads. Human Trafficking is one of the theories a lot of people are coming back to because of the location in Ohio. For those not blaming the family, there are conspiracy theories, a theory that someone close is hiding him, a stalker, someone he met online via gaming, and some really, really just outlandish theories. I guess kinda run of the mill when you try to wade into the local community around the case. (Never had it so close that it literally flooded my timeline though this is crazy) The reason I came here was that I needed the professionalism, order, and easy to follow format.
(and to see if it had been listed of course)

I did notice that there is a local security company (beesafe?) that has their own FB group to search for Harley, not listed as one of the official agencies being worked with. I think they are aiming for the reward money but to me, presenting themselves as a position of authority on the case when they are not. I also noticed that the agencies working on the case are shrinking, in the last update by the chief I did not see any search and rescue agencies on there.

Quote from 1-11-2020 FB post:
"We currently have the following agencies at our office on a daily basis assisting us with Harley’s disappearance;

Federal Bureau of Investigation
Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation
Ottawa County Drug Task Force
Ottawa County Sheriff’s Office
United States Marshals Service"

Quote from 1-10-2020 FB post

"We currently have the following agencies at our office or they have been involved with this investigation;

Black Swamp Search & Rescue
Clermont County Sheriff's Office
Delaware County Sheriff’s Office
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Grant County Sheriff’s Office (Kentucky)
Kentucky Search Dog Association
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation
Ohio Division of Natural Resources
Ohio State Highway Patrol
Ottawa County Drug Task Force
Ottawa County Prosecutors Office
Ottawa County Sheriff’s Office
Ottawa County Sheriff’s Office Underwater Rescue and Recovery Team
Port Clinton Fire and Rescue
Shawnee Hills Police Department
Texas EquuSearch
United States Customs and Border Protection
United States Marshals Service"

I believe Rosefromangels is talking about the same stuff I have had to wade through. On Facebook itself there is a general talk group for the town, then there are 2 other groups being lead by others looking for Harley, so it's just a huge mess. I can't believe Rosefromangels was able to wade through so much of that and able to list it. Great job. I hope I answered any questions anyone had, and of course this all MOO/take from it all.

I honestly am baffled where Harley could be. There are little facts to go on outside he was last seen walking to school. If I had to guess? I would say he was snatched. There hasn't been much snowfall here if any to really speak of, so there's not layers of snow or ice he could be under. It would have to be the lake or there are smaller little ponds and such around PC. Port Clinton sits right on the lake, but when I was young there were a lot of places to go in that town. The tracks that run behind 3rd street i think? has woods that we would play in as children. Little woody areas everywhere. Port Clinton has the nickname of "Miami beach of Ohio' It's a 'beachside' town with tons of tourists etc in the summers. But incredibly impoverished overall. Lots of abandoned homes and businesses sit empty. Cedar Point is less than half an hour from there. Lots of islands and boats around as well.

I know this is entirely off-topic to Harley and don't want to derail at all - but I'd like to thank those that wrote in support of Sober Houses. My son recently graduated from a Sober house and it hurt my heart to read that speculation, but I was so glad to see so many here that know what sober houses are about. Sober houses aren't filled with nefarious criminals or perverts looking to pluck children from their homes. Getting accepted to one is hard, and most of them allow your children to stay with you on weekends in your living space. It's a very strict living environment with responsibilities, a lot of therapy, and working on themselves, they also usually have come from rehab to transition to sober living and then to home. It's very rigid and it's a huge achievement to graduate. I am only writing this in hopes that in future that isn't tossed around as an idea, its misleading and stigmatizing to the recovery community.

Thanks all, I hope I was able to provide some more information about the layout of the town etc.

 

[bellyup]

I finally got to my lap top to use Google satellite and want to correct something I posted earlier.

The alley Harley used is near direct south in front of Harley's home. These four images show the path. If you look at the last image marked by me - he likely took the white route by the white house and not the yellow route by the yellow house.

My post with the yellow house is *incorrect* and I apologize. We walked so much the day we were out there and there are actually a couple of alley's that go all the way through that without satellite view on my phone I got confused.

These images below show more detail / accuracy.
Images 1-4 show the alley way entirely to the hospital parking lot. There appears to be two garages facing the alleyway. At the end of the alley is parking for the hospital.

The alley doesn't go all the way through. Image 3. THIS could have been a prime spot to pick Harley up at.

 

[osu]

Where is garbage pick up? On the street or in the alley? And was it garbage pick up day on the 20th?

If Harley went all the way to the hospital before turning toward school, why isn't he seen on any hospital survelliance?

What time does the school allow students to enter the building? Do they offer breakfast before school?

Can a local please drive the route at 6:08 am with a passenger video taping Harleys likely route?

Has every single person in every single home along Harleys route to school been interviewed? That route needs to be canvassed. Search dogs and cadaver dogs need to canvas the route.

BBM.

IIRC, doors open at 7:30am at Port Clinton High School.

JMO

 

[Sam970407]

I've been reading everything I can find about Harley's case from MSM to gossipy sites. I've been peeling away the noise and trying to piece together the beacons of info we believe are factual.

I keep coming back to one point that stands out for me.

The day it is believed Harley disappeared (Dec 20), he reportedly stepped in to his Mother's darkened bedroom and said he wasn't feeling well and didn't want to go to school. Without turning on the lights or investigating this lament further, the mother instructed Harley to go to school anyway. The mother's dismissive action *suggests* that this was a common lament of Harley's. (Speculation only).

However, given Harley's missing status, I am going to accept his claim of "not feeling well" as being real. When a child claims not feeling well, this could mean:
a) They are physically ill (fever, stomach ache, etc.)
b) They have a project or test at school they aren't ready for
c) They have anxiety because of a situation like bullying, or having to speak in front of the class, undressing in a locker room, or a million other possibilities
d) They know there is an impending event such as a fight that they have to face
e) They have done something wrong and can't face the consequences

That's not an exhaustive list, but it does cover a lot of categories. If forced to choose one of the above as my prime speculation, I am torn between d and e, but will choose d. I think Harley had someone after him, he knew, and either they caught him, or he took off to avoid them.

Your thoughts?

Amateur opinion and speculation

I think the speculation of people assuming he made the statement that he didn't feel good and wanted to stay home is not the truth....do we know he said that? NO we do not. I dont buy it....this come from the same person that has changed her story way to many times to believe or assume anything. Just my opinion.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Hi everyone, thank you for the warm welcome! Just a general reply to some questions. The locals are all over the place. Every.single.theory. is out there. A lot of it is "I heard..." or "I saw Harley's YT videos it's obvious _____" extremely sloppy comment threads. Human Trafficking is one of the theories a lot of people are coming back to because of the location in Ohio. For those not blaming the family, there are conspiracy theories, a theory that someone close is hiding him, a stalker, someone he met online via gaming, and some really, really just outlandish theories. I guess kinda run of the mill when you try to wade into the local community around the case. (Never had it so close that it literally flooded my timeline though this is crazy) The reason I came here was that I needed the professionalism, order, and easy to follow format.
(and to see if it had been listed of course)

I did notice that there is a local security company (beesafe?) that has their own FB group to search for Harley, not listed as one of the official agencies being worked with. I think they are aiming for the reward money but to me, presenting themselves as a position of authority on the case when they are not. I also noticed that the agencies working on the case are shrinking, in the last update by the chief I did not see any search and rescue agencies on there.

Quote from 1-11-2020 FB post:
"We currently have the following agencies at our office on a daily basis assisting us with Harley’s disappearance;

Federal Bureau of Investigation
Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation
Ottawa County Drug Task Force
Ottawa County Sheriff’s Office
United States Marshals Service"

Quote from 1-10-2020 FB post

"We currently have the following agencies at our office or they have been involved with this investigation;

Black Swamp Search & Rescue
Clermont County Sheriff's Office
Delaware County Sheriff’s Office
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Grant County Sheriff’s Office (Kentucky)
Kentucky Search Dog Association
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation
Ohio Division of Natural Resources
Ohio State Highway Patrol
Ottawa County Drug Task Force
Ottawa County Prosecutors Office
Ottawa County Sheriff’s Office
Ottawa County Sheriff’s Office Underwater Rescue and Recovery Team
Port Clinton Fire and Rescue
Shawnee Hills Police Department
Texas EquuSearch
United States Customs and Border Protection
United States Marshals Service"

I believe Rosefromangels is talking about the same stuff I have had to wade through. On Facebook itself there is a general talk group for the town, then there are 2 other groups being lead by others looking for Harley, so it's just a huge mess. I can't believe Rosefromangels was able to wade through so much of that and able to list it. Great job. I hope I answered any questions anyone had, and of course this all MOO/take from it all.

I honestly am baffled where Harley could be. There are little facts to go on outside he was last seen walking to school. If I had to guess? I would say he was snatched. There hasn't been much snowfall here if any to really speak of, so there's not layers of snow or ice he could be under. It would have to be the lake or there are smaller little ponds and such around PC. Port Clinton sits right on the lake, but when I was young there were a lot of places to go in that town. The tracks that run behind 3rd street i think? has woods that we would play in as children. Little woody areas everywhere. Port Clinton has the nickname of "Miami beach of Ohio' It's a 'beachside' town with tons of tourists etc in the summers. But incredibly impoverished overall. Lots of abandoned homes and businesses sit empty. Cedar Point is less than half an hour from there. Lots of islands and boats around as well.

I know this is entirely off-topic to Harley and don't want to derail at all - but I'd like to thank those that wrote in support of Sober Houses. My son recently graduated from a Sober house and it hurt my heart to read that speculation, but I was so glad to see so many here that know what sober houses are about. Sober houses aren't filled with nefarious criminals or perverts looking to pluck children from their homes. Getting accepted to one is hard, and most of them allow your children to stay with you on weekends in your living space. It's a very strict living environment with responsibilities, a lot of therapy, and working on themselves, they also usually have come from rehab to transition to sober living and then to home. It's very rigid and it's a huge achievement to graduate. I am only writing this in hopes that in future that isn't tossed around as an idea, its misleading and stigmatizing to the recovery community.

Thanks all, I hope I was able to provide some more information about the layout of the town etc.

Thank You,and Welcome to Webseuths. Do you think he could still be hidden local, or out of State, or Country?

 

[GordianKnot]

Did he leave early to catch a bus out of town? If so he could be anywhere.

Honestly, I'd say the chances of that are slim to none.

This case has received national attention.

HD's image has been plastered all over the town, on billboards, the internet, the television, etc.

If he had hopped on a bus, either the bus driver and/or other riders would have noticed and reported it by now.

JMO.

 

[Bellecent]

Did he leave early to catch a bus out of town? If so he could be anywhere.

Did he always leave early for school? Walk with anyone? Does the school have breakfast?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Honestly, I'd say chances of that are slim to none.

This case has received national attention.

HD's image has been plastered all over the town, on billboards, the internet, the television, etc.

If he had hopped on a bus, either the bus driver and/or other riders would have noticed and reported it by now.

JMO.

They also probably checked surveillance cams for him on buses already by now. I would think.

 

[GordianKnot]

BBM.

IIRC, doors open at 7:30am at Port Clinton High School.

JMO

7:30 is their 1st period bell time per the school's website.

I'm thinking doors to the school would be open well before that.

They have a breakfast menu posted for the high school, too, so I'm thinking that may in fact have been close to HD's normal departure time for school, if he eats his breakfast there before classes begin.

Has anyone done the Google maps route from his house to the school to see how many minutes away it is in terms of walking distance?

JMO.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I was just reading City-Data stats on Port Clinton, and looking at their city page. Looks like a nice little coastal village. Crime stats are good, although they do have 17 registered sex offenders, which is notable for a population under 6k. However, all in all this looks like a very unlikely little town for a nefarious crime.
But aren’t they all I guess.

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[bellyup]

Did he always leave early for school? Walk with anyone? Does the school have breakfast?

https://hs.pccsd.net/ourpages/auto/2008/9/4/1220547023287/PCHS Student Handbook 2019-20.pdf

The only thing I can find about arrival time is that classrooms open at 715 on page 42 of the handbook. There are mentions that the attendance office opens at 700am.

Someone said they have a breakfast menu but I can't find one. lol

 

[GordianKnot]

I think the speculation of people assuming he made the statement that he didn't feel good and wanted to stay home is not the truth....do we know he said that? NO we do not. I dont buy it....this come from the same person that has changed her story way to many times to believe or assume anything. Just my opinion.

BBM:

The reason I'm inclined to believe this bit is true is because there's no real reason to lie about it.

It paints a terribly unflattering picture of his mother, for one thing.

The storyline, "Hey, my kid complained to me that he felt sick that morning, but I told him to haul his butt off to school, regardless, and oh, yeah, I didn't even bother to lay eyes on him before he walked out the door," is generally not the type of narrative a parent wants to invent if they're trying to garner public sympathy.

I do believe HD complained of not feeling well that morning.

JMO.