OH OH - Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 - #1

[SchoolgirlShamus]

JC's sister said on another forum that they were suppose to meet with JC's parents to talk about the move to CO that night but cancelled because Katelyn was tired.

That's interesting. Especially combined with the paper-burning.

 

[cluciano63]

Why would LE wait 10 days to think about LD tests? If they really haven't given any?

 

[pynkphysh]

I feel bad for JC -- every time he does an interview, it becomes a double-edged sword. While doing these interviews brings interest to the case, he's unfortunately not a polished speaker. I think he acts like a typical Fairfield guy, in a really stable, sweet relationship. The way he talks doesn't alarm me; I realize he says little things that seem to have deeper meaning, but it seems so clear that he's really just a simple, earnest guy who can't find his partner. He has no history of violence, and he has the support of his and her family. In interviews he sounds so worried and genuine.

ShouldBWorking, I think you have a good point related to how little news is being released in this case. It seems there is a cat and mouse game going on, especially with the "vibe" I get with how the friends are saying, "Someone knows something..." It makes me think there's a suspect. I just don't think it's JC.

I'll eat my hat if it's him. I think the theory that he just left, someone knocked on the door and she opened it thinking it was him; or someone came to the door looking like they needed help, and she grabbed her phone before trying to help the person. And who knows what happened after that...

I just wish it was a case of her running off with another man without realizing everyone would be looking for her, and that she's safe and this will cleared up soon. She seems like such a sweetheart from what I've seen and heard.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

Why would LE wait 10 days to think about LD tests? If they really haven't given any?

Actually an attorney friend and a police officer friend says this is pretty typical if they aren't wanting to isolate him. Once they ask for that test he knows he's a suspect.

 

[~n/t~]

Actually an attorney friend and a police officer friend says this is pretty typical if they aren't wanting to isolate him. Once they ask for that test he knows he's a suspect.

Maybe that's why he thinks he's a suspect because LE asked him to take one?

Personally, I don't think LDT's mean anything. It's just another tool used by LE . As we've seen in Breeann Rodriguez case, both parents failed and they had nothing to do with her death.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

I feel bad for JC -- every time he does an interview, it becomes a double-edged sword. While doing these interviews brings interest to the case, he's unfortunately not a polished speaker. I think he acts like a typical Fairfield guy, in a really stable, sweet relationship. The way he talks doesn't alarm me; I realize he says little things that seem to have deeper meaning, but it seems so clear that he's really just a simple, earnest guy who can't find his partner. He has no history of violence, and he has the support of his and her family. In interviews he sounds so worried and genuine.

ShouldBWorking, I think you have a good point related to how little news is being released in this case. It seems there is a cat and mouse game going on, especially with the "vibe" I get with how the friends are saying, "Someone knows something..." It makes me think there's a suspect. I just don't think it's JC.

I'll eat my hat if it's him. I think the theory that he just left, someone knocked on the door and she opened it thinking it was him; or someone came to the door looking like they needed help, and she grabbed her phone before trying to help the person. And who knows what happened after that...

I just wish it was a case of her running off with another man without realizing everyone would be looking for her, and that she's safe and this will cleared up soon. She seems like such a sweetheart from what I've seen and heard.

This is one time in my life where I hope I'm wrong, I've even already convinced myself if I'm wrong about him I have every intention of sending him an apology BUT the thing that sticks in my crawl is WHY DOES HE REFER HER TO HER IN THE PAST TENSE? I have kids his age and I don't find him to be a "typical" FF guy. I find him odd. My son who has a long time girlfriend said last night, "Why didn't the dude have her parents call 911?" I had never thought about that, but I have a 21 and almost 24 year old and I'm hear to tell you I would have been telling some young man to back off I would call the police myself. Something doesn't add up. Why was he so quick to call the police but had gone to her apartment knew the dog was locked in the bedroom long enough to go to the bathroom and then he left the apartment.

 

[DianaElaine]

Update: The body is confirmed to be a man who committed suicide.

MASON — Police have confirmed the man found in a field here committed suicide.
The body was found near Portion Pac Inc. at 7325 Snider Road in Mason. The Warren County coroner responded to the scene at around 8:15 a.m. Police Lt. Neil Garland confirmed the man committed suicide after police investigated the scene.
Portion Pac is a division of the HJ Heinz Co. and produces packaged and canned fruits, vegetables and jellies, according to the Heinz website.

Phew!

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

he really should step back from the media because his odd behaviors make it impossible not to focus on him

My thoughts exactly. I didn't suspect him (beyond the standard statistical probabilities) at first, because I had no reason to. When I heard his interview with Sloanie and Tracy on the radio last week, I actually thought he was either uninvolved in her disappearance (in which case, my god, what that poor kid must be going through!) - or a very good actor.

BUT THEN, after hearing his 911 call, other interviews and inconsistent statements, I was startled into perceiving the situation differently. It was his behavior and his behavior only that changed my perception.

It's ridiculous that his family are trying to blame WLW radio for anything. All John Carter had to do was keep on being all sad, weary, and loving - and keep his details consistent and make sure his story made sense - and the whole city would be falling over itself supporting him! If he failed at that, whether he played a role in her disappearance or not, it's hardly the radio station's problem.

 

[~n/t~]

I feel bad for JC -- every time he does an interview, it becomes a double-edged sword. While doing these interviews brings interest to the case, he's unfortunately not a polished speaker. I think he acts like a typical Fairfield guy, in a really stable, sweet relationship. The way he talks doesn't alarm me; I realize he says little things that seem to have deeper meaning, but it seems so clear that he's really just a simple, earnest guy who can't find his partner. He has no history of violence, and he has the support of his and her family. In interviews he sounds so worried and genuine.

ShouldBWorking, I think you have a good point related to how little news is being released in this case. It seems there is a cat and mouse game going on, especially with the "vibe" I get with how the friends are saying, "Someone knows something..." It makes me think there's a suspect. I just don't think it's JC.

I'll eat my hat if it's him. I think the theory that he just left, someone knocked on the door and she opened it thinking it was him; or someone came to the door looking like they needed help, and she grabbed her phone before trying to help the person. And who knows what happened after that...

I just wish it was a case of her running off with another man without realizing everyone would be looking for her, and that she's safe and this will cleared up soon. She seems like such a sweetheart from what I've seen and heard.

I don't think he's involved either.

In the 911 call, he says <paraphrasing> "I know we have to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person". IMO, he probably got this advice from someone, however, I can understand how some would find this suspicious. Did he know he had 24 hours before LE would be notified? etc etc.

I hope he's ruled out soon so the focus will be on finding Katelyn!

 

[AnaTeresa]

Maybe Katelyn was not too tired to discuss the move to Colorado. Maybe Katelyn did not want to go because she changed her mind about the move.

Or maybe she was too tired to go somewhere. Being tired doesn't always equate to being sleepy. I know on Friday nights, after working full time and going to class at night, I'm wiped. I veg out on the couch in sweats. Yes, sometimes I even text til 1 am - but I probably wouldn't go out anywhere. I think it's a bit of a leap to assume anything about the relationship from that tiny happenstance.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

In the 911 call, he says <paraphrasing> "I know we have to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person". IMO, he probably got this advice from someone, however, I can understand how some would find this suspicious.

I didn't find THAT suspicious in the least. I really didn't. Instead, I found other things suspicious. Namely, that he was quick to establish that they'd been together 6 years (yes, that was in the 911 call) and also quick to suggest that there were "questionable people" at the Sacred Heart festival nearby. Sounds like trying to deflect suspicion both away from himself and onto a stranger, to me.

Suspicious also is that he had to have seen that her car was there, supposedly unexpectedly, which supposedly freaked him out... then he went into her apartment, where he saw that the dog was confined unusually and that she and her cellphone were gone. Yet, without calling law enforcement at that point, he LEFT her apartment and went somewhere... dunno where or for how long. Then, he finally called 911 only once he was on his way back to the apartment.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

I hope he's ruled out soon so the focus will be on finding Katelyn!

The focus IS on finding Katelyn. I don't know why anyone would think it isn't. John's not even being investigated or pursued - or if he is, none of us know about it.

 

[vasportsmom]

The focus IS on finding Katelyn. I don't know why anyone would think it isn't. John's not even being investigated or pursued - or if he is, none of us know about it.

It seems (IMHO) that a lot of the focus is on JC instead of KM. Take this site for example, we have spent a great deal of time discussing his statements, behaviour, etc and then there is the FB group that was created to get the word out about her but as of yesterday was focusing instead on "defending" him from the radio station personailities.

If LE would/could clear him that would free up a lot of time that is now being spent dissecting his every word and movement. There will always be some that suspect him and continue to focus on him (in general, not here necessarily) but a clear statement from LE would help. I think (again IMHO) that in a lot of these cases the public automatically suspects the bf/husband and assumes there is little they can do except wait on the body to be found so it just seems imperative that LE clear that person ASAP so that the public has a more vested interest in getting involved.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

It seems (IMHO) that a lot of the focus is on JC instead of KM. Take this site for example, we have spent a great deal of time discussing his statements, behaviour, etc and then there is the FB group that was created to get the word out about her but as of yesterday was focusing instead on "defending" him from the radio station personailities.

But we're just armchair sleuths. We're not law enforcement or even 'official' media. We're not doing anything to hinder or sidetrack any investigation.

 

[vasportsmom]

But we're just armchair sleuths. We're not law enforcement or even 'official' media. We're not doing anything to hinder or sidetrack any investigation.

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that we were in any way. I'm just saying that if we as a group are spending time on him, we aren't operating in a bubble so it is quite likely that others (LE and media) are getting distracted by the same things we are seeing and questioning from JC. It seems to me if LE could clear him they would just to get the focus off him period. It strikes me as even stranger that the media hasn't been able to come up with anybody (that we have heard about) that spent time with them that day and can give a clearer picture of her state of mind. Where are statements, even unofficial, from the friends he was with that night?

I hope that "we" (in general, I know many here don't suspect him at all) are wrong and he is innocent. Heck, I hope she is stressed, maybe having second thoughts about their relationship and decided to be selfish for a week and go clear her head somewhere. If she is dead (and I hate typing that) I honestly hope it wasn't at his hands. I know it doesn't change anything but it always seems so much worse when you realize the last face they saw was that of someone they *thought* they could trust to love and protect them. That final act of betrayal should be an offense all its own.

 

[CN2Souls]

The Theory:

That JC left and then someone knocked on the door and she thought it was him, doesn't sit well with me...

First he had a key why would he knock,

And second any one who knocks on your door after 12:00 midnight would get a look through the peep hole,

or a unopened door with a question of 'what do you want?'.

Only reason would be if she knew the person really really well and it was a person that would have been over to her home before at an hour after 12 Midnight.

 

[sreshowtime]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShouldBWorking View Post
JC's Gma....

working on senior project....

I wrote---
ohhhhhh, that stuck out like a splinter- wonder if it was a group thing or individual?? Wonder what all she was doing for it? Going places- seeing people, etc??
Hope they have gone to the Art school and doing some digging there

OKAY I couldn't figure out how to double quote & all sorry , painting & in a hurry

Grandma said in radio interview that KM was working on senior project

ALSO she had done some graphic work, or else it was school projects on her site
( http://khmarkham.com/)

IS IT possible that someone related to her art world may be responsible? IS there any mention of these things on that FB page?? If they are really trying to sway interest form one person in particular , then they better put their collective heads together and think about stuff like this

IMHO

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

I'm just saying that if we as a group are spending time on him, we aren't operating in a bubble so it is quite likely that others (LE and media) are getting distracted by the same things we are seeing and questioning from JC.

I understand. Then again, if I were LE I'd definitely consider him worth following up on, due to his own inconsistencies. If he were totally consistent I wouldn't even bother with him - at least not more than the standard investigative amount. Again, he's kinda drawn this attention to himself, unfortunately.

If she is dead (and I hate typing that) I honestly hope it wasn't at his hands. I know it doesn't change anything but it always seems so much worse when you realize the last face they saw was that of someone they *thought* they could trust to love and protect them. That final act of betrayal should be an offense all its own.

Absolutely agree. I was going to come here and say that very thing, before I knew you'd said it! I don't WANT it to be John Carter. I don't want to have been fooled by him in the first interview I heard, but that's a minor point... much more than that, it's simply terrifying to me how often women and children are victimized by their male loved ones!

I'd find it much easier to cope with if it WERE a crazy random stranger who took her away for reasons unknown. It's definitely not a pleasure to contemplate the ways in which her own fiance looks suspicious.

 

[SurfieTX]

Is it possible that she got dressed and walked to a corner store? Maybe she had a craving for chocolate, started (her period) and was out of supplies at home, or smoked cigs? I'm sure LE looked at the stores' videos around her home..right? It's plausible she could grab her phone and put it in one pocket and shove another 10 or 20 bucks in the other. But that doesn't explain the dog's location? Or maybe if she thought she would be right back, she let the dog sleep on her bed...?

The one thing I want to know is whether she always parked her car in the back lot. And has her car been towed by LE?

 

[sreshowtime]

The Theory:

That JC left and then someone knocked on the door and she thought it was him, doesn't sit well with me...

First he had a key why would he knock,

And second any one who knocks on your door after 12:00 midnight would get a look through the peep hole,

or a unopened door with a question of 'what do you want?'.

Only reason would be if she knew the person really really well and it was a person that would have been over to her home before at an hour after 12 Midnight.

BUT it doesn't seem apparent WHEN she disappeared....are many of us thinking night time, because that is more sinister?? What if someone came over there early the next morning??? Seems like the window is from when JC saw her until the time she should have been at work...what 12 hours give or take? Were other people trying to call her on Sunday too??

OHHH ALSO- if Dad was moving out of there to his girlfriends...why didn't he go over there Sun and get stuff to move??? Or did he?? All day to do stuff...

I believe it was reported he was over there removing some items after LE allowed him to.