OH - Ma’Khia Bryant, 16, fatally shot multiple times by Columbus police officer, 20 April 2021

[obripe]

Just going to put out there that I'll never understand the logic that claims that it's not okay for a civilian to kill, but it is okay for a cop to kill.

A death to prevent an even worse outcome (ie: multiple deaths) could maybe be argued as reasonable. Otherwise, we're simply saying that some people are accountable to the law, and some aren't.

In this case, we don't know anything about the altercation that took place before the cops arrived. We have no way of knowing whether the child killed was the person at fault.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Both The New York Times and The Washington Post came under fire Wednesday for tweets omitting key details about the previous day's fatal police-involved shooting in Columbus, Ohio.

The Times shared a montage of protesters decrying the death of 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant, who was shot by a police officer as she was attacking another girl with a knife.

However, that key detail was widely omitted in early reports of the shooting and remained missing from a Times tweet that was shared Wednesday afternoon.
New York Times, Washington Post slammed for tweets omitting that Ma'Khia Bryant was armed with knife

 

[Area52]

I suspect that we disagree broadly about what the role of police should be in our communities.

I'll just say what I see in this instance. Ma'Kiah appears to be behaving in an uncoordinated, unfocused way. She lunges at one girl but doesn't stab her, and doesn't continue to attack her. She instead bounces towards another girl, and it appears likely that her intent was to stab her. AFAIK she hadn't actually injured anybody. Of course her actions weren't appropriate. But they also didn't present her as a girl likely to inflict real violence.

IMO police should NEVER escalate a situation. Moving from somebody threatening to stab, to an officer shooting four times and killing, is an exponential escalation of the situation, which, IMO, without significant extenuating circumstances, would never be called for.

In this case, in quite sure the parents of the girl who was being attacked would argue this point with you. Also IMO, take into consideration that all of this unfolded in a matter of seconds. The officer responding is there to protect the life of the girl being attacked.

 

[obripe]

In this case, in quite sure the parents of the girl who was being attacked would argue this point with you. Also IMO, take into consideration that all of this unfolded in a matter of seconds. The officer responding is there to protect the life of the girl being attacked.

I have no idea whether those parents find the cop's actions to be justified. They could well be horrified by the actions of the cop. I wouldn't assume to know, and I'm not sure why you would.

 

[IceIce9]

Given that the fighting continued when the police officers were right there, I'm wondering if this was a foster group with some intellectual disabilities (with or without mental illness). It feels like they didn't realize they should stop fighting when it's sort of an assumption that you stop when authorities show up (yes, I'm sure people could come up with examples where violence doesn't stop when help arrives).

I could be off base completely, of course.

jmo

That is quite possible.

However, the officer couldn’t stand by and watch an unarmed girl get stabbed or slashed, no matter the mentality of the attacker.

 

[IceIce9]

?? I didn't mention a word about a taser. Maybe you quoted the wrong post?

Sorry. Attempting to quote the post above your.

My WS is acting wonky today and I am having trouble with quotes and replies.

 

[Area52]

I have no idea whether those parents find the cop's actions to be justified. They could well be horrified by the actions of the cop. I wouldn't assume to know, and I'm not sure why you would.

The reason I assume they are grateful is, after watching this video several times in real time and slow motion, the other girl was about to have a kitchen knife plunged into her neck, by another girl who is out of control. Had that been my daughter, I'd be applauding the actions of the officer involved. He saved that child's life.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Both The New York Times and The Washington Post came under fire Wednesday for tweets omitting key details about the previous day's fatal police-involved shooting in Columbus, Ohio.

The Times shared a montage of protesters decrying the death of 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant, who was shot by a police officer as she was attacking another girl with a knife.

However, that key detail was widely omitted in early reports of the shooting and remained missing from a Times tweet that was shared Wednesday afternoon.
New York Times, Washington Post slammed for tweets omitting that Ma'Khia Bryant was armed with knife

The WHOLE truth and FACTS need to be presented. Spin and slant have no place in trustworthy journalism and media. All that does is fan the flames of discord and divide an already polarized population on these recent cases.

 

[obripe]

The WHOLE truth and FACTS need to be presented. Spin and slant have no place in trustworthy journalism and media. All that does is fan the flames of discord and divide an already polarized population on these recent cases.

I'm all for facts as well. I have lots of questions, including about what led up to this situstion, and the backstories of both Ma'Khia and the (yet unnamed) cop who shot her.

 

[sds71]

I'm all for facts as well. I have lots of questions, including about what led up to this situstion, and the backstories of both Ma'Khia and the (yet unnamed) cop who shot her.

He was named at the press conference.

Nicholas Reardon

 

[JerseyGirl]

Biden briefed on ‘tragic’ police killing of Ma’Khia Bryant, White House says

I am going to change the title to Ma’Khia Bryant, age 16.

 

[JerseyGirl]

He was named at the press conference.

Nicholas Reardon

Nicholas Reardon: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

 

[Kakidoll]

BBM
...

Earlier in your post you wrote fights as 'fights'... are you saying you believe this was not a real fight? Or that in the future we will see a lot of cases of manufactured 'fights' just to provoke a responding police officer to kill someone? I ask because I am having trouble following this thought process.

Yes, with the TikTok crazy and all the other 'set ups' for filming to get attention these days, there are a ton of 'staged' acts, and i think those stage acts will or can get out of hand. Kids are talking about doing things to make the videos, then post for attention AND for crowdfunding. Its turning into a 'game'of sorts, from what i've seen. Not saying this is, but she called from INSIDE the house (supposedly) and then went OUTSIDE with a knife. (Earlier version I heard from 911) and within MINUTES her mother and aunt were posting (she didn't live with them, she was in foster care).

I want to hear the WHOLE story before i'm going to judge the police and post that they shot a little black girl for no reason... however I feel like many aren't. they are running with whatever is first posted. Sad. Very Very Sad.

 

[IceIce9]

I have no idea whether those parents find the cop's actions to be justified. They could well be horrified by the actions of the cop. I wouldn't assume to know, and I'm not sure why you would.

Perhaps because their daughter is alive due to the quick action of the police officer, who killed the girl who was going to stab their daughter in the neck.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Columbus police shooting: Celebrities react to Ma'Khia Bryant's death


"We don't yet have all of the facts but we do know that a 16-year-old girl, a child of this community, tragically died last night," Columbus Mayor Andrew Ginther told reporters.

"Bottom line: Did Ma'Khia Bryant need to die yesterday?" he added. "How did we get here? This is a failure on the part of our community. Some are guilty but all of us are responsible."
Columbus, Ohio, shooting: Police officer shot and killed a Black teenage girl holding a knife, police say and bodycam video shows - CNN

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"We need a police officer here now," a female is heard telling a 911 operator in one recording, as yelling is heard in the background. As the noise continues in the background, the female adds, "We got these ... grown girls over here, trying to fight us."

Interim Police Chief Michael Woods said police are not yet certain whose voice is heard on the call. The second recording is very brief, ending when the caller saw that police cars were arriving.

Officers who responded to the scene in a residential neighborhood knew only that a "disturbance" was going on, Woods said in an update on the incident.

Columbus police released three videos from officer-worn body cameras on Wednesday, along with audio from two 911 calls. Unlike video that was released Tuesday evening, the newly released recordings provide a more prolonged look at the violence that played out almost immediately after police arrived.

The footage shows that Reardon fired several shots at Bryant as she and a woman were struggling next to a car. In the video, Bryant is seen holding what looks to be a knife. After a quick succession of gunshots, Bryant immediately fell to the ground, and officers soon began administering first aid to her.
Ma’Khia Bryant: Police identify officer who shot teen, release video footage

 

[lynchmob67]

Columbus police shooting: Celebrities react to Ma'Khia Bryant's death


"We don't yet have all of the facts but we do know that a 16-year-old girl, a child of this community, tragically died last night," Columbus Mayor Andrew Ginther told reporters.

"Bottom line: Did Ma'Khia Bryant need to die yesterday?" he added. "How did we get here? This is a failure on the part of our community. Some are guilty but all of us are responsible."
Columbus, Ohio, shooting: Police officer shot and killed a Black teenage girl holding a knife, police say and bodycam video shows - CNN

Slightly off topic, at 4:34 in the video, that dude kicking the s#*% out of the girl’s head on the ground, my gosh! Tough guy right there

 

[scriabina]

Given that the fighting continued when the police officers were right there, I'm wondering if this was a foster group with some intellectual disabilities (with or without mental illness). It feels like they didn't realize they should stop fighting when it's sort of an assumption that you stop when authorities show up (yes, I'm sure people could come up with examples where violence doesn't stop when help arrives).

In one of the bystander videos released, an older woman is screaming to the police about a girl being "mentally challenged," so that very well may be the case.

I agree that it feels like they didn't realize they should stop fighting when LE arrived. I think MB looked in some sort of trance or vortex and she probably wasn't aware of LE's arrival. The girl in pink looked relaxed or perhaps dazed rather than frantic & panicked. You'd think when someone is running near you with a knife your instinct would be to run away, but girl in pink just stood there and didn't react when the LE officer asking "what's goin' on?" You'd think she'd at least point to MB and exclaim, "She's got a knife!" or something. The whole scene seemed a bit off to me.

 

[Betty P]

I've no doubt Franklin County, OH has a problem with police involved shootings and its very likely that black people are disproportionately the victims in those police shootings. I've no doubt there is plenty of reform of LE practices that needs to take place in Franklin County.

Nevertheless, after viewing the various videos several times, I understand why the officer shot at this young woman.

He appeared to be the first officer on the scene. There was a crowd of people milling around in front of the home. Before he could ascertain what was happening, the victim came flying out of the group and attacked a young woman with a knife. This happened right in front of the officer. In slow motion, it looked like she had stabbed that woman (I assume she missed). As the officer shouts at the young woman to stop,the victim immediately turns to attack the woman in pink, pinning her up against a car in the driveway. The victim begins slashing at her as the officer takes aim and shoots.

All of this happened in what appeared to be a fraction of a second. Very fast. It was a chaotic scene with the victim stabbing at two women and other people kicking and fighting. He had no way of knowing whether other people in the crowd (some of whom were shouting and fighting) were also armed.

I don't think the officer had any other options in that split second. Like Tamir Rice, if the victim had simply been sitting quietly at a picnic table with no other people around and not behaving in a threatening manner, the officer could have taken cover and called out to MaKhia to ascertain whether she was a threat. But she was lunging through a crowd of people, violently attacking some of them with a knife.

From what I've seen, I don't think the officer had a choice, but feel free to change my mind.

ETA: Another officer had arrived on the scene shortly after Ma'Khia was shot. Both he and the other officer moved her away from the car so they could begin assessing her wounds and rendering aid.

 

[IceIce9]

Given that the fighting continued when the police officers were right there, I'm wondering if this was a foster group with some intellectual disabilities (with or without mental illness). It feels like they didn't realize they should stop fighting when it's sort of an assumption that you stop when authorities show up (yes, I'm sure people could come up with examples where violence doesn't stop when help arrives).

I could be off base completely, of course.

jmo

The girl’s mom stated that she was an honor student.