OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #50

[Johnny B Bad]

STATE OF OHIO -vs- NEWCOMB, RITA JO

08/28/2019 01:00 PM MOTION HEARING
10/21/2019 08:30 AM JURY TRIAL

**State wants Newcomb behind bars**

Pike County Court of Common Pleas Judge Randy Deering set Aug. 28 as a day to hear oral arguments on the prosecution’s motion to revoke Newcomb’s bond.
Improper phone conversations topic of hearing - Portsmouth Daily Times

STATE OF OHIO -vs- WAGNER, IV, GEORGE WASHINGTON
09/20/2019 09:30 AM MOTION HEARING

Wagner IV’s defense team has at least six outstanding pretrial motions on which Deering has not rendered a decision. The judge described those motions as non-substantive, meaning they are standard motions and no evidence or witnesses need be presented before he can render a decision. Deering set an Aug. 31 deadline for the defense to present any further such motions and gave the state until Sept. 13 to respond. Should either side feel the need to present oral arguments on those motions, that hearing is set for Sept. 20. Deering said officials will decide on a new trial date once discovery issues seem more settled.
Wagner IV’s trial delayed - Times Gazette

STATE OF OHIO -vs- WAGNER, III, GEORGE WASHINGTON
09/17/2019 01:30 PM MOTION HEARING

STATE OF OHIO -vs- WAGNER, EDWARD JACOB
09/17/2019 09:30 AM MOTION HEARING

STATE OF OHIO -vs- WAGNER, ANGELA JO
__Nothing listed since 07/03/2019

ThanksCC.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

So everyone thinks that we should not talk about the autopsy and crime scenes, that’s the same thing Angela Wagner had her lawyer file a motion on, not to show the crime scene photos in court?

 

[bowler]

So everyone thinks that we should not talk about the autopsy and crime scenes, that’s the same thing Angela Wagner had her lawyer file a motion on, not to show the crime scene photos in court?

As bad as it's gonna be..... it's how the victims died and should be front and center... MOO

 

[OhioBlues]

So everyone thinks that we should not talk about the autopsy and crime scenes, that’s the same thing Angela Wagner had her lawyer file a motion on, not to show the crime scene photos in court?

Angela might ask that the Judge not display. My opinion is no way nor now now. They limit the photos of each victim but it is not going to happen.

The victims have very little's rights.

I can't imagine a worse photo than Travis Alexander (Jodi Arias).

There will be a photo of each victim IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

So everyone thinks that we should not talk about the autopsy and crime scenes, that’s the same thing Angela Wagner had her lawyer file a motion on, not to show the crime scene photos in court?

I like reading what people in the medical field post about the autopsies, but I don't know what the medical jargon means so I leave it up to the experts. I do like to analyze the crime scenes.

What we do know:

Christopher Sr. was shot nine times all over his body and was possibly shot first because the report notes that his body was decomposed "more than all the others."
He was awake and had a defensive wound to his right forearm that shattered bone. Also, at least one bullet went through a door before hitting him and he was also shot in the torso and cheek.

Arm, torso, cheek....But what about the other 6 shots?

Gary Rhoden was shot twice in the head and once in the face with a large-caliber gun. One of the shots indicated the gun was pressed against the side of his head leaving a "muzzle stain."

If Chris was shot some time before Gary it means Gary wasn't home. If Chris was shot through the bedroom door then he didn't have to be dragged to the bedroom, he was already there. Then they were tampering with the crime scene evidence/cameras/shell casings and then they waited for Gary to come home, or Gary was only collateral damage just happening to come home while they were there. After Gary was ambushed he was the one dragged back to the bedroom and then put on top of Chris's legs.

Or Chris and Gary were shot together and both or just Gary were dragged through the house.

Shot together or shot at different times depends on the decomposition analysis. Was Chris's body more decomposed due to time of death being sooner? Or due to the fact he had more gunshot wounds and wounds to the torso and more blood loss etc....

Be interesting to hear someone in the medical field give an opinion on this and that will happen at trial. The Medical Examiner..ie..Coroner, will most likely be called to testify as this is routinely done to get it in the court record. On the record...that the victims are homicide victims viciously attacked by guns...unnatural causes.

Chris Jr. was shot 4 times with a report indicating 2 shots were to the top of his head. Perhaps he heard gunshots, hid, and the killers were looking down on him. He wasn't in his bed and I haven't seen any articles stating where he was found, but he was found in his home.

.....2 Cents.....

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I like reading what people in the medical field post about the autopsies, but I don't know what the medical jargon means so I leave it up to the experts. I do like to analyze the crime scenes.

What we do know:

Christopher Sr. was shot nine times all over his body and was possibly shot first because the report notes that his body was decomposed "more than all the others."
He was awake and had a defensive wound to his right forearm that shattered bone. Also, at least one bullet went through a door before hitting him and he was also shot in the torso and cheek.

Arm, torso, cheek....But what about the other 6 shots?

Gary Rhoden was shot twice in the head and once in the face with a large-caliber gun. One of the shots indicated the gun was pressed against the side of his head leaving a "muzzle stain."

If Chris was shot some time before Gary it means Gary wasn't home. If Chris was shot through the bedroom door then he didn't have to be dragged to the bedroom, he was already there. Then they were tampering with the crime scene evidence/cameras/shell casings and then they waited for Gary to come home, or Gary was only collateral damage just happening to come home while they were there. After Gary was ambushed he was the one dragged back to the bedroom and then put on top of Chris's legs.

Or Chris and Gary were shot together and both or just Gary were dragged through the house.

Shot together or shot at different times depends on the decomposition analysis. Was Chris's body more decomposed due to time of death being sooner? Or due to the fact he had more gunshot wounds and wounds to the torso and more blood loss etc....

Be interesting to hear someone in the medical field give an opinion on this and that will happen at trial. The Medical Examiner..ie..Coroner, will most likely be called to testify as this is routinely done to get it in the court record. On the record...that the victims are homicide victims viciously attacked by guns...unnatural causes.

Chris Jr. was shot 4 times with a report indicating 2 shots were to the top of his head. Perhaps he heard gunshots, hid, and the killers were looking down on him. He wasn't in his bed and I haven't seen any articles stating where he was found, but he was found in his home.

.....2 Cents.....

Christopher Sr. was shot nine times all over his body and was possibly shot first because the report notes that his body was decomposed "more than all the others

CR SR was more decomposed, according to the autopsy report HG was first to be autopsy on the 23rd also was autopsy that day was HR and DR, Sunday the 24th little Chris was autopsy first then FR, GR,KR and a extremely exam of Big Chris was done on that Sunday Big Chris autopsy was finished Monday the 25th that is more than 72 hours after death so all those news reports of him being shot first could be wrong, just saying

 

[Yellowbeak]

Christopher Sr. was shot nine times all over his body and was possibly shot first because the report notes that his body was decomposed "more than all the others

CR SR was more decomposed, according to the autopsy report HG was first to be autopsy on the 23rd also was autopsy that day was HR and DR, Sunday the 24th little Chris was autopsy first then FR, GR,KR and a extremely exam of Big Chris was done on that Sunday Big Chris autopsy was finished Monday the 25th that is more than 72 hours after death so all those news reports of him being shot first could be wrong, just saying

Does decomposition halt when placed in the coroners coolers?

 

[Yellowbeak]

I like reading what people in the medical field post about the autopsies, but I don't know what the medical jargon means so I leave it up to the experts. I do like to analyze the crime scenes.

What we do know:

Christopher Sr. was shot nine times all over his body and was possibly shot first because the report notes that his body was decomposed "more than all the others."
He was awake and had a defensive wound to his right forearm that shattered bone. Also, at least one bullet went through a door before hitting him and he was also shot in the torso and cheek.

Arm, torso, cheek....But what about the other 6 shots?

Gary Rhoden was shot twice in the head and once in the face with a large-caliber gun. One of the shots indicated the gun was pressed against the side of his head leaving a "muzzle stain."

If Chris was shot some time before Gary it means Gary wasn't home. If Chris was shot through the bedroom door then he didn't have to be dragged to the bedroom, he was already there. Then they were tampering with the crime scene evidence/cameras/shell casings and then they waited for Gary to come home, or Gary was only collateral damage just happening to come home while they were there. After Gary was ambushed he was the one dragged back to the bedroom and then put on top of Chris's legs.

Or Chris and Gary were shot together and both or just Gary were dragged through the house.

Shot together or shot at different times depends on the decomposition analysis. Was Chris's body more decomposed due to time of death being sooner? Or due to the fact he had more gunshot wounds and wounds to the torso and more blood loss etc....

Be interesting to hear someone in the medical field give an opinion on this and that will happen at trial. The Medical Examiner..ie..Coroner, will most likely be called to testify as this is routinely done to get it in the court record. On the record...that the victims are homicide victims viciously attacked by guns...unnatural causes.

Chris Jr. was shot 4 times with a report indicating 2 shots were to the top of his head. Perhaps he heard gunshots, hid, and the killers were looking down on him. He wasn't in his bed and I haven't seen any articles stating where he was found, but he was found in his home.

.....2 Cents.....

 

[Cool Cats]

Christopher Sr. was shot nine times all over his body and was possibly shot first because the report notes that his body was decomposed "more than all the others

CR SR was more decomposed, according to the autopsy report HG was first to be autopsy on the 23rd also was autopsy that day was HR and DR, Sunday the 24th little Chris was autopsy first then FR, GR,KR and a extremely exam of Big Chris was done on that Sunday Big Chris autopsy was finished Monday the 25th that is more than 72 hours after death so all those news reports of him being shot first could be wrong, just saying

If Chris Sr's autopsy had taken place significantly longer after the others maybe it could be the reason he was more decomposed but refrigeration slows that down. The autopsies were all done the same weekend so they should have had the same rate of decomposition. I can only think of 2 reasons Chris was different from the others, he was killed hours earlier and that's why he was dragged to the bedroom, or his particular injuries made the difference.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Does decomposition halt when placed in the coroners coolers?

No it slows it down

 

[Yellowbeak]

I like reading what people in the medical field post about the autopsies, but I don't know what the medical jargon means so I leave it up to the experts. I do like to analyze the crime scenes.

What we do know:

Christopher Sr. was shot nine times all over his body and was possibly shot first because the report notes that his body was decomposed "more than all the others."
He was awake and had a defensive wound to his right forearm that shattered bone. Also, at least one bullet went through a door before hitting him and he was also shot in the torso and cheek.

Arm, torso, cheek....But what about the other 6 shots?

Gary Rhoden was shot twice in the head and once in the face with a large-caliber gun. One of the shots indicated the gun was pressed against the side of his head leaving a "muzzle stain."

If Chris was shot some time before Gary it means Gary wasn't home. If Chris was shot through the bedroom door then he didn't have to be dragged to the bedroom, he was already there. Then they were tampering with the crime scene evidence/cameras/shell casings and then they waited for Gary to come home, or Gary was only collateral damage just happening to come home while they were there. After Gary was ambushed he was the one dragged back to the bedroom and then put on top of Chris's legs.

Or Chris and Gary were shot together and both or just Gary were dragged through the house.

Shot together or shot at different times depends on the decomposition analysis. Was Chris's body more decomposed due to time of death being sooner? Or due to the fact he had more gunshot wounds and wounds to the torso and more blood loss etc....

Be interesting to hear someone in the medical field give an opinion on this and that will happen at trial. The Medical Examiner..ie..Coroner, will most likely be called to testify as this is routinely done to get it in the court record. On the record...that the victims are homicide victims viciously attacked by guns...unnatural causes.

Chris Jr. was shot 4 times with a report indicating 2 shots were to the top of his head. Perhaps he heard gunshots, hid, and the killers were looking down on him. He wasn't in his bed and I haven't seen any articles stating where he was found, but he was found in his home.

.....2 Cents.....[/QUOTE

I have heard that he was between the bed and the wall and I also read he was in a crawl space. I don’t have an article so JMO.

 

[OhioBlues]

I posted these on the media timeline.

Let me know if you are aware of any other JW Discovery that we are missing here on WS.

I have more Discovery that I plan to post tonight. I might have all of the Discovery but I am not sure.

Thanks

 

[Antimony]

In the PDF of 1.17.19 they referred to a 1911.22 photo.
Boodndock Saints killers used m-1900 .45 handguns.
The Sig-Sauer 1911.22 is described in this you-tube video. about $400.00

Barrel adapter for silencer mount-https://www.gunbroker.com/item/822145908. $25.00
Recovered Maglite and VCR (probably from Big Chris house).

Toast

 

[Loomis124]

I posted these on the media timeline.

Let me know if you are aware of any other JW Discovery that we are missing here on WS.

I have more Discovery that I plan to post tonight. I might have all of the Discovery but I am not sure.

Thanks

Yes!! Thank you soooo much, Ohio Blues!

 

[Loomis124]

Documents: ATF files report on item pulled from well, Wagner family arrested a week later

Can't help but think that this has been the most telling of all the Discovery documents, even though this is is all I have to post, rather than the actual document itself.

In BW's Discovery Jan 24 2019:

Well search Oct 31 and ATF report Nov 7, 2018 - Firearm suppressor

Media report, per Dewine, Nov 13, 2018 regarding arrests: "BW, AW, GW4 and JW...methodically planned then killed members of the Rhode family..." IMO All four.

Central to dispute between the two families - custody of SW

Entry "Custody Messages," 1 Excel sheet, 519 entries

Cell tower records from BW's phone
- March 2016 and April 2016, including 1 Excel sheet entitled BBL.

Surviving family members report the two families shared business interests. Comments on what that was, anyone?

IMO, custody battle was ultimate motive, followed by the shared business interest, which latter, IMOO, was prescription opioids, aka Oxycontin. Totally JMO based on everything I have learned.

519 entries on custody issues sounds like a very heated discussion to me.

BBL spreadsheet of BW's cell tower records in March and April 2016 leads me to believe these were conversations between BW and CR. I don't know the area well enough to comment on the cell towers, but we do know CRSR worked at BBL Also, does anyone remember mentions of a fight at BBL before the murders?

All just my opinion.

 

[Cool Cats]

Documents: ATF files report on item pulled from well, Wagner family arrested a week later

Can't help but think that this has been the most telling of all the Discovery documents, even though this is is all I have to post, rather than the actual document itself.

In BW's Discovery Jan 24 2019:

Well search Oct 31 and ATF report Nov 7, 2018 - Firearm suppressor

Media report, per Dewine, Nov 13, 2018 regarding arrests: "BW, AW, GW4 and JW...methodically planned then killed members of the Rhode family..." IMO All four.

Central to dispute between the two families - custody of SW

Entry "Custody Messages," 1 Excel sheet, 519 entries

Cell tower records from BW's phone
- March 2016 and April 2016, including 1 Excel sheet entitled BBL.

Surviving family members report the two families shared business interests. Comments on what that was, anyone?

IMO, custody battle was ultimate motive, followed by the shared business interest, which latter, IMOO, was prescription opioids, aka Oxycontin. Totally JMO based on everything I have learned.

519 entries on custody issues sounds like a very heated discussion to me.

BBL spreadsheet of BW's cell tower records in March and April 2016 leads me to believe these were conversations between BW and CR. I don't know the area well enough to comment on the cell towers, but we do know CRSR worked at BBL Also, does anyone remember mentions of a fight at BBL before the murders?

All just my opinion.

BBM

Exhaustive investigation leads to break in Pike County murder case

Prosecutors say they bought ammunition, gun clips and equipment to build their own silencers to muffle the blasts.

Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader said the killers had made a mistake: They had left behind pieces of the equipment they used to build their silencers.

And, after 2½ years of investigation, the final break came Oct. 30: Authorities recovered a silencer.

Quote from your post:

Well search Oct 31 and ATF report Nov 7, 2018 - Firearm suppressor

And it was that last bit of workmanship that investigators say proved key to their undoing.

Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said that final piece of evidence was taken to the lab to be processed. Those results came back Nov. 7th, went to the Grand Jury, and the GJ indicted them and arrest warrants were obtained.

...2 Cents....If this makes "cents".....

LE finds pieces of equipment that can be used to build silencers during their May 2017 Peterson Rd. search and have a light bulb moment, it's enough to put a laser focus on the Wagners but not enough for a GJ indictment.

They need to put tough pressure on them and catch them in lies, get them to incriminate themselves, so they do all those May 2017 interviews with them and they also drop JM off their radar by dismissing his Tampering Charges.

Then the Wagner's take off to escape the laser focus and LE then puts pressure on Rita Newcomb by interviewing and audio recording her on June 16 and on the 20th, 2017, according to her Discovery Documents.

By this time BCI knows the Custody Documents are fake and Rita is in the middle of it. They need to put pressure on her, find out what she knows, catch her in lies, get her to slip up and say something incriminating etc...

When they search the Wagner's well Nov. 7, 2018 and find the firearm suppressor they send it to forensics to see if they can connect it to the equipment they found that can build silencers. Maglite is listed in discovery and the maglite flashlight is often used to make homemade silencers/gun suppressors and works with the gun listed in the evidence.

So the maglite suppressor found in the well shows a forensic match with the other parts they found. The maglite flashlight has the features that go with the parts to make a silencer that they found. Both found on Wagner property. Thus the final piece leading to the GJ indictment.

Maglite Adapters

 

[Dudly]

Documents: ATF files report on item pulled from well, Wagner family arrested a week later

Can't help but think that this has been the most telling of all the Discovery documents, even though this is is all I have to post, rather than the actual document itself.

In BW's Discovery Jan 24 2019:

Well search Oct 31 and ATF report Nov 7, 2018 - Firearm suppressor

Media report, per Dewine, Nov 13, 2018 regarding arrests: "BW, AW, GW4 and JW...methodically planned then killed members of the Rhode family..." IMO All four.

Central to dispute between the two families - custody of SW

Entry "Custody Messages," 1 Excel sheet, 519 entries

Cell tower records from BW's phone
- March 2016 and April 2016, including 1 Excel sheet entitled BBL.

Surviving family members report the two families shared business interests. Comments on what that was, anyone?

IMO, custody battle was ultimate motive, followed by the shared business interest, which latter, IMOO, was prescription opioids, aka Oxycontin. Totally JMO based on everything I have learned.

519 entries on custody issues sounds like a very heated discussion to me.

BBL spreadsheet of BW's cell tower records in March and April 2016 leads me to believe these were conversations between BW and CR. I don't know the area well enough to comment on the cell towers, but we do know CRSR worked at BBL Also, does anyone remember mentions of a fight at BBL before the murders?

All just my opinion.

If you are referring to a fight between CRsr and GWIII, there is no reputable source that can verify that fight happened. I have never read anywhere that there was a supposed fight at BBL...

 

[OhioBlues]

Documents: ATF files report on item pulled from well, Wagner family arrested a week later

Can't help but think that this has been the most telling of all the Discovery documents, even though this is is all I have to post, rather than the actual document itself.

In BW's Discovery Jan 24 2019:

Well search Oct 31 and ATF report Nov 7, 2018 - Firearm suppressor

Media report, per Dewine, Nov 13, 2018 regarding arrests: "BW, AW, GW4 and JW...methodically planned then killed members of the Rhode family..." IMO All four.

Central to dispute between the two families - custody of SW

Entry "Custody Messages," 1 Excel sheet, 519 entries

Cell tower records from BW's phone
- March 2016 and April 2016, including 1 Excel sheet entitled BBL.

Surviving family members report the two families shared business interests. Comments on what that was, anyone?

IMO, custody battle was ultimate motive, followed by the shared business interest, which latter, IMOO, was prescription opioids, aka Oxycontin. Totally JMO based on everything I have learned.

519 entries on custody issues sounds like a very heated discussion to me.

BBL spreadsheet of BW's cell tower records in March and April 2016 leads me to believe these were conversations between BW and CR. I don't know the area well enough to comment on the cell towers, but we do know CRSR worked at BBL Also, does anyone remember mentions of a fight at BBL before the murders?

All just my opinion.

BBM

519 entries regarding "Custody"
W's wanted control of the children.

We don't know about any shared business interests.

 

[Merrygirl]

Does decomposition halt when placed in the coroners coolers?

It slows it down considerably on the outside but gut bacteria continues their life cycles internally. It would need to be extremely cold to slow/stop gut bacteria and then you would not be able to examine properly until the body thaws.

 

[Explorkell]

As bad as it's gonna be..... it's how the victims died and should be front and center... MOO

I believe the photos are horrendous. I really feel for those on the jury. It will be a very hard case no matter which defendant the jurors get.