OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #51

[StrangeOne]

About the Jail - Delaware County Sheriff

There is one tablet (not the same as the tablet you might be holding) on a wall. They can get text messages and send messages to family members. It says nothing about being on the web outside of these texts.

 

[StrangeOne]

Yes, there's a time limit on how long posts can be edited here at WS, so probably best to add a new post with new links and updated information. There's a newer Case Summary and Timeline on Page 1 of the previous thread, #50.

Thank you, Betty

 

[Johnny B Bad]

There is one tablet (not the same as the tablet you might be holding) on a wall. They can get text messages and send messages to family members. It says nothing about being on the web outside of these texts.

The prisoners are allowed to research their case and certain things, of course it’s a controlled internet but we where talking about Angela trying to get message to her family (Right)?

 

[Rutledge203]

Not wise to ignore admonitions by WS staff:

I am very sorry. I didn't see the admonition until after I had replied to some earlier posts. I apologize. I tried to delete but couldn't seem to do it. I sincerely apologize. It won't happen again.

 

[buttonbaby]

Great analysis! I totally agree!

Thank you so much Loomis! I, along with everyone else I'm sure, cannot wait for these trials to get underway... it's time for justice to be served.

 

[buttonbaby]

Showing photos of victims and crime scenes to the jurors is something done in every murder trial. That's pretty bold of the defense to preemptively claim they shouldn't be shown.

I agree with the comment above - photos of the victims are necessary to show the rage and brutality of the people who committed these murders. I have a feeling the defense is also very concerned about photos of the babies and toddler who were left in the midst of the carnage. The jurors will understand those little ones were treated by the killers in the most cruel manner imaginable.

JMO

BBM...

Fantastic post as always Betty... and yes, ITA that the defense counsel on every W4 case is extremely concerned about all of the photos, but especially those of the little ones. There are absolutely no words to describe how cold, cruel and dangerous these killers are... just sick.

 

[Betty P]

BBM...

Fantastic post as always Betty... and yes, ITA that the defense counsel on every W4 case is extremely concerned about all of the photos, but especially those of the little ones. There are absolutely no words to describe how cold, cruel and dangerous these killers are... just sick.

Thanks. JMO, the defense is concerned about these particular photos when it comes to the death penalty. But all that can be argued during the trials, at the appropriate time.

But when it comes to photos of the crime scene, etc. those are essential to prosecution explaining the technical evidence - who stood where, how many killers and weapons were present, how close was the weapon, what type of gun was used, was the victim awake, etc. There are 4 different crime scenes, 8 murders. The prosecution needs to use all available evidence to make their case.

 

[Berrybell]

Photos shouldn’t be showed at trial, how does that show who done it?

I totally and respectfully disagree with your post. Photographs often tell a story and they will show the psychopathic disregard for human life and well being of the babies.

 

[IType]

Photos shouldn’t be showed at trial, how does that show who done it?

I respectfully disagree as well. Photos may or may not show exactly who committed a crime, but in a murder trial they can show the heinous nature of the crime and total disregard for human life, which this case certainly involves....and in this particular case, they would also show the total disregard for the safety of one toddler and two infants. In my opinion, the people who committed these crimes should be shown the same amount of mercy they showed to 7 adults, 1 teenager, 1 toddler and 2 infants---NONE. JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Nobody came to see GWs trial, is FW mad at The Grandsons for getting her baby in trouble?

 

[Rutledge203]

Watch

Sorry. This link does not work.How do I delete?

 

[TheRevWells]

For those that missed the live stream this morning

Wagner brother in court for motions hearing in Pike County massacre

 

[Rutledge203]

George Wagner IV Motions Hearing 09/20/19

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=436601607063014

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=907972962898471

Seems to be in 2 parts.

 

[Betty P]

For those that missed the live stream this morning

Wagner brother in court for motions hearing in Pike County massacre

Thank you! From the link:

Special Prosecuting Attorney Angela Canepa agreed that two terabytes of information would take months to comb through and said the state has agreed to provide a focus of the evidence to the defense to help them narrow down what they need to analyze before the trial.

 

[Betty P]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=436601607063014

Judge announces further dates in January 2020 for rebuttal and decisions on pre-trial motions. Defense withdraws their motion for more discovery on DNA evidence because they've been told there is no DNA evidence for GW3. Canepa agrees.

Everything else was pretty routine. AC made strong arguments on the defense motions to have transcripts of GJ proceedings and GJ witness list. She said that these things aren't granted to defense in order to protect the secrecy of grand juries work. She said if they had some particular reason for the need to have information about something relating to the GJ, they can bring up the argument specifically in court. Defense had no rebuttal to that.

No members of the defendant's family were in the courtroom for his hearing. Ms Geneva Rhoden was there with other members of her family, as always.

ETA: One of the January hearing dates the judge mentioned was for a scheduling hearing.

 

[Rutledge203]

I'm again very surprised that there's no DNA Evidence/Discovery in GWIV's case.

In my honest opinion: It is very interesting that he is the only one with a motion for (which as of today was recinded by Defense) and admission by Prosecution that there is none specific to him.

Any thoughts? I wasn't on Websleuths in March when this was first brought up.

 

[Betty P]

Watch

Sorry. This link does not work.How do I delete?

It works ok, it's just not going to the video you wanted any longer. Don't worry about it.

 

[Betty P]

I'm again very surprised that there's no DNA Evidence/Discovery in GWIV's case.

In my honest opinion: It is very interesting that he is the only one with a motion for (which as of today was recinded by Defense) and admission by Prosecution that there is none specific to him.

Any thoughts? I wasn't on Websleuths in March when this was first brought up.

It was a simple statement the defense made in court early on after they had received that evidence in discovery. I'm not sure why they challenged it, unless they just wanted to make the prosecution state again that they had no DNA evidence for GW4. His defense team has made some motions that indicate they want to make sure there's no new surprise evidence introduced during the trial.

It could be that GW4 just got lucky and didn't leave any DNA evidence. It doesn't mean there isn't other evidence pointing to his involvement in the murders. Prosecution wouldn't have brought charges against him if they didn't think they could make their case.

Agree, it's interesting to note none of the other defendants have tried to make a similar argument.

JMO

 

[Rutledge203]

It was a simple statement the defense made in court early on after they had received that evidence in discovery. I'm not sure why they challenged it, unless they just wanted to make the prosecution state again that they had no DNA evidence for GW4. His defense team has made some motions that indicate they want to make sure there's no new surprise evidence introduced during the trial.

It could be that GW4 just got lucky and didn't leave any DNA evidence. It doesn't mean there isn't other evidence pointing to his involvement in the murders. Prosecution wouldn't have brought charges against him if they didn't think they could make their case.

Agree, it's interesting to note none of the other defendants have tried to make a similar argument.

JMO

Thank you Betty.

 

[Betty P]

Thank you Betty.

Thank you for the links and alert. I'm in and out of here again today, so I missed the live hearing.