OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #51

[Loomis124]

Loomis, you crack me up! Love your posts. I can always count on you to call em like ya see em. I like that!

Thank you, GoBuckeyes! That's just how I am!

 

[StrangeOne]

It's called ARROGANCE He is proud of what he has accomplished. My opinion.

He thinks he's going to win this

 

[Dudly]

Is this your opinion?

Maybe he thinks, but I don't think he KNOWS that. As a matter of fact, if he keeps grinning like that, the Jury will surely convict him for all 8 counts of aggravated murder and all the charges that follow. JMO

He has definitely has shown no sign of sadness for the victims or any sign of remorse...

 

[Cool Cats]

Past suspect behaviors, grisly murder scene photos may play parts in Rhoden trials - Portsmouth Daily Times

 

[Betty P]

He thinks he's going to win this

He also didn't think he would ever be caught by LE, so....

 

[Loomis124]

Past suspect behaviors, grisly murder scene photos may play parts in Rhoden trials - Portsmouth Daily Times

Thanks for posting this, CC. I had just read it in the newspaper. Tom Corrigan did an excellent job reporting.

 

[Cool Cats]

In Count 21 Obstructing Justice does anyone think this is referring to Fred and Rita giving GJ testimony?

"...did destroy or conceal physical evidence of the crime or act, or induce any person to withhold testimony or information, or to elude legal process summoning the person to testify or supply evidence..."

 

[Sillybilly]

I don't believe there is any MSM or info from LE to support speculation about drug use by the defendants. IF I've missed it, please let me know.

This particular speculation crops up in so many thread without anything to substantiate it, so please just don't go there or it will end up being stated as fact further down thread.

Thanks.

 

[Loomis124]

In Count 21 Obstructing Justice does anyone think this is referring to Fred and Rita giving GJ testimony?

"...did destroy or conceal physical evidence of the crime or act, or induce any person to withhold testimony or information, or to elude legal process summoning the person to testify or supply evidence..."

CC, do you mean in Jake's indictment?

 

[Loomis124]

Wonder why Judge Deering doesn't ask the State if they are receiving reciprocal discovery in a timely manner?

Criminal Defendant’s Public Records Request for Information that is Subject to Discovery Triggers State’s Right to Demand Reciprocal Discovery

 

[Cool Cats]

CC, do you mean in Jake's indictment?

Count 21 in all 4 Wagner's Indictments says:

(The 4 Wagners)....to benefit from the commission of a crime, did destroy or conceal
physical evidence of the crime or act, or induce any person to withhold testimony or information or to elude legal process summoning the person to testify or supply evidence, and/or did communicate false information to any person, and/or the crime(s) committed by the said.....(the 4 Wagners)

I think in this Count 21, the "person" being referred to is Fred and Rita in regards to their GJ testimony.

The Wagner 4 tried to influence Fred and Rita's GJ testimony. Why else would Fred and Rita be listed in the indictments as co-conspirators in the Count of Engaging in a Pattern of Corrupt Activity?

Fred and Rita are listed on the Pattern of Corrupt Activity Count but they are not indicted for it like the Wagner 4 are. I find that interesting and was wondering if anyone else had thoughts about it.

Just curious what others might think.

...Just my take on it. Opinion only...

 

[Loomis124]

Count 21 in all 4 Wagner's Indictments says:

(The 4 Wagners)....to benefit from the commission of a crime, did destroy or conceal
physical evidence of the crime or act, or induce any person to withhold testimony or information or to elude legal process summoning the person to testify or supply evidence, and/or did communicate false information to any person, and/or the crime(s) committed by the said.....(the 4 Wagners)

I think in this Count 21, the "person" being referred to is Fred and Rita in regards to their GJ testimony.

The Wagner 4 tried to influence Fred and Rita's GJ testimony. Why else would Fred and Rita be listed in the indictments as co-conspirators in the Count of Engaging in a Pattern of Corrupt Activity?

Fred and Rita are listed on the Pattern of Corrupt Activity Count but they are not indicted for it like the Wagner 4 are. I find that interesting and was wondering if anyone else had thoughts about it.

Just curious what others might think.

...Just my take on it. Opinion only...

Sure makes sense!! However, I think the 4 Ws are totally guilty of the first part of that sentence, thus it would be "and" rather than "or." Does that make sense? JMO

 

[Betty P]

It should also be pointed out that Grand Juries are selected weeks ahead of when they will serve, and usually serve a week at a time over several months. Criminal indictments have to come down in a short time, like 10 days of being accused or arrested. So there is rarely any way someone with a personal vendetta could serve on a GJ and force an indictment. This is designed to take the "personal effect" out of the equation.

Hope I said all that correctly - going on memory.

True, that is correct. Grand juries are selected to serve a set term and will hear many different cases during that time period. Difficult to rig that process. The only other option the Wags seem to be working is trying to find out who GJ witnesses were and to get copies and recordings of their testimony. That won't happen, either, nor would any such thing be allowed for discussion in court during the trials. But it seems the Wagners will stoop to any level, make the most inconceivable and bullying kinds of requests in order to help their sad cases. I guess this shows us what they were like in real life, too. Not exactly upstanding, popular members of the community.

 

[Puzzles8]

I'm pretty sure all of us are frustrated.
I'm pretty sure all of our heart's are in the right spot.
I'm pretty sure we all want the truth to come out.
I'm pretty sure we all want the perpetrators of this heinous crime to face justice.

Derogatory comments or responses to them, just justify the question/comment.

Let's not lower ourselves to this. Take the high road. Ignore the petty digs.

We and the Rhoden/Gilley's are better than this.

And, I truly believe, justice will be served...

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

A post was removed because it criticized JW's appearance and contained a statement that indicated prior drug use by JW. It was removed because WS does not condone criticizing physical appearance and to my knowledge there is no MSM to specifically indicate prior drug use by JW. Subsequent posts were then removed for speculating that the accused Wagners were possibly in a drug fueled rage when they allegedly killed the Rhodens and I am not aware of any MSM that supports such speculation of drug fueled rages by members of the family.

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[Rutledge203]

I think this is what your referring to:

"..Less is known about the case, in which the pair was ordered to have no contact with Rocky Mountain Boot Company.

A criminal complaint alleged they altered, destroyed, concealed or removed evidence in an investigation.

Public records give few additional details, and Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk, who is handling the charges in the Rhoden massacre, said by email he couldn't recall the tampering case details.

Junk moved in 2009 to dismiss the charges against both Wagners "due to the case not being presented to grand jury awaiting results from BCI," according to the records.

"Could be any number of reasons for it not being presented," Junk wrote regarding the tampering case. "There may not have been a completed case from the investigating agency, or there wasn't enough evidence even to take it to grand jury, or a possible victim didn't want to pursue."
Pike County: Father accused in Rhoden massacre faced prior felonies

YES. I was trying to remember this ....thank you

 

[Cool Cats]

Sure makes sense!! However, I think the 4 Ws are totally guilty of the first part of that sentence, thus it would be "and" rather than "or." Does that make sense? JMO

Yes! They use the word.. OR.. alot when the word..AND..will do quite nicely thank you very much!

 

[Loomis124]

VERY interesting article about the Newsome murders

Details limited in Newsome murders - Portsmouth Daily Times

 

[Cool Cats]

VERY interesting article about the Newsome murders

Details limited in Newsome murders - Portsmouth Daily Times

This is great thanks Loomis. This Newsome Case has weighed heavily on those of us who have been closely following the Rhoden and Gilley Case.

Many of us wondered if there was a connection between these 2 cases, and worried that the Newsome Case would go cold. Now an arrest has been made! Hopefully more information will be forth coming.
In the event that more information becomes available, I have started a thread for it here:

Ohio Arrest in Candy and Kristina Newsome Murders

For those not familiar:

On Jan. 4, 2016, Candy Newsome, 48, and her 16-year-old-daughter, Kristina "Mykal" Newsome, were found dead of apparent gunshot wounds at a home in Lucasville Ohio. The mother and daughter were killed execution style, investigators say.

Recent development:

SCIOTO COUNTY, Ohio (WSAZ) -- UPDATE 10/4/19 @ 10 p.m.

A man from Lucasville faces two aggravated murder charges in connection with the deaths of a mother and daughter who were gunned down nearly four years ago at a home along Blue Run Road in Lucasville.

 

[Loomis124]

This is great thanks Loomis. This Newsome Case has weighed heavily on those of us who have been closely following the Rhoden and Gilley Case.

Many of us wondered if there was a connection between these 2 cases, and worried that the Newsome Case would go cold. Now an arrest has been made! Hopefully more information will be forth coming.
In the event that more information becomes available, I have started a thread for it here:

Ohio Arrest in Candy and Kristina Newsome Murders

For those not familiar:

On Jan. 4, 2016, Candy Newsome, 48, and her 16-year-old-daughter, Kristina "Mykal" Newsome, were found dead of apparent gunshot wounds at a home in Lucasville Ohio. The mother and daughter were killed execution style, investigators say.

Recent development:

SCIOTO COUNTY, Ohio (WSAZ) -- UPDATE 10/4/19 @ 10 p.m.

A man from Lucasville faces two aggravated murder charges in connection with the deaths of a mother and daughter who were gunned down nearly four years ago at a home along Blue Run Road in Lucasville.

CC, can't thank you enough for starting this thread!! After reading this guy's history on Scioto County Common Pleas, all I can say is WOW. Not that I think he had anything to do with the Rhoden and Gilley murders. So happy though that the Newsome family can rejoice in a valid arrest. This suspect has a real lengthy record and unreal court information of cancellation after cancellation. For what reason? Sorry. Should have posted to the new thread!