OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Loomis124]

You are right, I bet this is a photo of an actual gun they found!

The Discovery page says:

(.....Other items listed.....)

Bethel Hill Road Search (7/13/17):
____Photos from search (318)
____Inventory (3 pp)
Photos of 1911.22 (2)
Ballistics:
____Submission Form (2pp)
____Report of Findings (2pp)
Billy Wagner's cell tower records:
____March 2016 calendar (1p)
____April 2016 calendar (1p)

Yes mam!

Also..isn't there a connection between this kind of gun and the Boondock Saints movie? IIRC. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

You are right, I bet this is a photo of an actual gun they found!

The Discovery page says:

(.....Other items listed.....)

Bethel Hill Road Search (7/13/17):
____Photos from search (318)
____Inventory (3 pp)
Photos of 1911.22 (2)
Ballistics:
____Submission Form (2pp)
____Report of Findings (2pp)
Billy Wagner's cell tower records:
____March 2016 calendar (1p)
____April 2016 calendar (1p)

Also, isn't it interesting that they searched there again in Nov? Sounds like someone told them there was still evidence there! JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Yes. And now we know it's multiple shooters.

Before the arrests we didn't know how many shooters but now we know we are dealing with 3 or 4 shooters so I don't think it was necessary for 3 or 4 shooters to go in with guns in both hands or to go in and shoot - then stop -
then reholster- then unholster a 2nd gun. That's too slow, DeWine said they did this quickly.
I do think they each had an extra gun holstered away in case the gun of choice jammed up.

With Gary being shot with larger caliber bullets I have theories about this:

1.) One of the shooters was carrying a gun with larger caliber bullets but it was the other 2 or 3 who did all the shooting. The killer with the gun with the larger caliber bullets only shot Gary and no one else.

2.) The killer who shot Gary carried the gun with larger caliber bullets into the house, shot Gary, then decided for some reason not to use it again. So that killer holstered it and then unholstered a 2nd gun with smaller caliber bullets and helped shoot the others with that 2nd gun only.

...Just my take on it....

CC, can I please add to your theory ( Gary Rhodens Could Have Been Shot With Chris Sr’s Gun After The Killers Shot Big Chris) that is just IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes mam!!

Ha! Respect is good....LOL...!

 

[Loomis124]

Ha! Respect is good....LOL...!

Well deserved, CC! You rock!

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Can you please shed some light on guns/ammo/suppressors?

Is the caliber indicative of the type of gun? Hand gun, rifle or automatic/semi-automatic weapon?

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Can you please shed some light on guns/ammo/suppressors?

Is the caliber indicative of the type of gun? Hand gun, rifle or automatic/semi-automatic weapon?

Jake Wagners in his evidence discovery, it refers to a 1911 22. Pistol also if you can go back and look at Jakes replies to Hanna Mays Facebook post of her and Charlie Gilley in a relationship, Jake posted a photo of 1911 22. Pistols, so what do you think he means by that picture?

“Angela and Hanna had bad blood after Hanna had left Jake for Charlie Gilley,” Christina Howard, an ex-sister-in-law of George Wagner Sr. told Oxygen.
Why Jake Wagner And Hanna Rhoden's Relationship Could Be Key To The Pike County Murders

 

[Betty P]

Time line with links to additional info for each event from the Columbus Dispatch.

Timeline: Eight members of Rhoden family killed in Pike County

How odd. The article with the timeline is dated Nov. 2018, but all the dates in the timeline are from 2019.

 

[Betty P]

You are right, I bet this is a photo of an actual gun they found!

The Discovery page says:

(.....Other items listed.....)

Bethel Hill Road Search (7/13/17):
____Photos from search (318)
____Inventory (3 pp)
Photos of 1911.22 (2)
Ballistics:
____Submission Form (2pp)
____Report of Findings (2pp)
Billy Wagner's cell tower records:
____March 2016 calendar (1p)
____April 2016 calendar (1p)

Yes, that's always been my assumption about that one, along with ballistics. Has anyone seen the discovery yet for the FWF search last November? Been busy today, so haven't had much time to check.

 

[Betty P]

CC, I thought that was an actual photo in evidence of a gun found in searches, but I'd have to go back and look. JMO

JMO, it's hard to say if it's a gun they actually found on W property or an example. The description isn't really clear.

 

[Loomis124]

Yes, that's always been my assumption about that one, along with ballistics. Has anyone seen the discovery yet for the FWF search last November? Been busy today, so haven't had much time to check.

Yes, it is posted on M&T by Ohio Blues.

 

[Loomis124]

JMO, it's hard to say if it's a gun they actually found on W property or an example. The description isn't really clear.

Clear to me. Two photos of what they found, just like the photos of the BP vests found at FWF and listed in Discovery. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

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Jake Wagners in his evidence discovery, it refers to a 1911 22. Pistol also if you can go back and look at Jakes replies to Hanna Mays Facebook post of her and Charlie Gilley in a relationship, Jake posted a photo of 1911 22. Pistols, so what do you think he means by that picture?

“Angela and Hanna had bad blood after Hanna had left Jake for Charlie Gilley,” Christina Howard, an ex-sister-in-law of George Wagner Sr. told Oxygen.
Why Jake Wagner And Hanna Rhoden's Relationship Could Be Key To The Pike County Murders

Johnny, can you please post a link to the FB post you reference? I don't recall seeing a FB post ever, from JW to HR. Thanks.

 

[Betty P]

Clear to me. Two photos of what they found, just like the photos of the BP vests found at FWF and listed in Discovery. JMO

Well, hopefully that's the case. It could also just refer to stock photo of that type of gun. Doesn't really specify. Hopefully its the one. IIRC, we discussed this before, this would have to be the smaller gun used in the murders.

ETA: If this is one of the guns they used (similar to one used in the Boondock Saints movie) how odd they chose to use a nice gun from their own collection, instead of one that couldn't be traced to them and disposed of immediately after the murders.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Johnny, can you please post a link to the FB post you reference? I don't recall seeing a FB post ever, from JW to HR. Thanks.

Hanna Mays Facebook of that photo has probably been moved to evidence by now but I have seen and read that post several times, someone might have it saved, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

CC, can I please add to your theory ( Gary Rhodens Could Have Been Shot With Chris Sr’s Gun After The Killers Shot Big Chris) that is just IMO.

Right, Gary being shot with Chris's gun could explain the larger caliber bullets.
But in my opinion they only used their own guns for many reasons.

They did this quickly and would not take time to get a different gun laying around or time to take it out of a victim's hand.

Chris's gun likely did not have a silencer, too risky not to use a silencer. And if it had a silencer they could not know if it even worked.

If they lay in wait for Gary and found Chris's gun, still there wouldn't be a silencer on it and it might not have 4 bullets in it and they would not even be able to shoot it to test it.

They planned this out so carefully with silencers that to add in a random gun is going too far off the playbook of what they rehearsed, and yes they rehearsed.

They went out, far far away and did target shooting, they tested those guns. No one "hunts" without testing their weapon. Remember we saw LE with metal detectors.

Opinion

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes mam!

Also..isn't there a connection between this kind of gun and the Boondock Saints movie? IIRC. JMO

Yes. Boondock Saints used Beretta 92FS and it is called Beretta M9 (if the army issues it).

The United States military replaced the M1911A1 .45 ACP pistol in 1985 with the Beretta 92FS, designated as the M9.

And 1911.22 is in Discovery. This blog compares the 2:

1911 vs Beretta M9: Battle Of The Service Guns - Alien Gear Holsters Blog

This blog is someone's opinion.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Reader added: 'This was very methodical. This was well planned. This was not something that just happened.'

The eight victims were Christopher Rhoden Sr, 40, his 16-year-old son, Christopher Rhoden Jr; 44-year-old Kenneth Rhoden; 38-year-old Gary Rhoden; 37-year-old Dana Rhoden; 20-year-old Clarence 'Frankie' Rhoden; 20-year-old Hannah Gilley; and 19-year-old Hanna Rhoden.

Reader said it was evident that it was only members of the family who were targeted and the general public were not likely to be threatened.

He added: 'I’m a member of that community, it’s very emotional to find out that 8 people in your community have been murdered.'

Eighteen pieces of evidence were being examined for DNA clues, DeWine said, but he would not reveal what they were.

Police also refused to reveal what type of gun or bullets were used and whether they had identified a suspect.

Authorities have been scrambling to determine who targeted the clan and why. Investigators have interviewed between 50 and 60 people in hopes of finding leads, and a team 38 people is combing wooded areas around the shooting scenes to ensure no evidence was missed, Reader said.

Five search warrants have been issued and seven of the eight autopsies have been completed.

Police are also looking at claims by Rhoden family members that twenty-year-old Frankie Rhoden felt threatened by rivals jealous of his $3000 demolition derby car which he used to enter competitions, as first revealed by Daily Mail Online.

More than 100 members of the Rhoden family, some of whom live in rundown houses and trailers dotted around the area were advised to ‘arm themselves’ by Reader for their own safety.
Ohio shootings lead prosecutors to investigate Facebook threat to Christopher Rhoden Jr | Daily Mail Online

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Ha! Respect is good....LOL...!

Aww, this "almost" brought a tear to my eye... LOL.

 

[Piffcat]

Is our Junk trash? Which side is he on?


Here is the link in which junks dismissal is critiqued as nepotism by watchman. It alludes to junks defense/explanation of dismissals. It is this explanation(screen shot yet to find) in which junks publicly calling reader out for serving an arrest warrant on an individual who had already given da office a proffer agreement (info on distribution crew) . Have to remember in Ohio Pike county two steps- first arrest then da decides whether to indict/ask grand jury indict. Most of good ol boy network includes this process. Individuals are arrested county seizes money property vehicles drugs equipment . Dealer bonds out ($$). Da fails to bring case to grand jury (after proffer) or grand jury doesn't indict. County keeps civil forfeiture bondsman keeps 10% fee drug dealer keeps selling addicts keeps dying. And the money wheel turns. Proffer is a junk buzzword Rita's in the mix. Moo

 

[Cool Cats]

Is our Junk trash? Which side is he on?


Here is the link in which junks dismissal is critiqued as nepotism by watchman. It alludes to junks defense/explanation of dismissals. It is this explanation(screen shot yet to find) in which junks publicly calling reader out for serving an arrest warrant on an individual who had already given da office a proffer agreement (info on distribution crew) . Have to remember in Ohio Pike county two steps- first arrest then da decides whether to indict/ask grand jury indict. Most of good ol boy network includes this process. Individuals are arrested county seizes money property vehicles drugs equipment . Dealer bonds out ($$). Da fails to bring case to grand jury (after proffer) or grand jury doesn't indict. County keeps civil forfeiture bondsman keeps 10% fee drug dealer keeps selling addicts keeps dying. And the money wheel turns. Proffer is a junk buzzword Rita's in the mix. Moo

There is a thread for Charles Reader in case your interested:

OH - Sheriff Charles Reader, charged with theft in office, Pike County, 29 June 2019