OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Ann99]

It's not the same A.W. totally different person Caylee is correct

I have looked into it more closely and I also now believe it is not the same AW. My opinion. TC married a woman, her first name Angela (last name G).
Apparently they later divorced, then Angela married another man with last name of Wagner. Thus the name Angela Wagner on the Court Case.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

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[RAISINISBACK]

Guess they trusted her back then before she took "as needed" from:

KOHL'S, OLLIES, WAL-MART, SAM'S CLUB, SUPER K-MART, HOBBY LOBBY, SEARS AND LOWE'S...
PROPERTY SEIZED AS EVIDENCE IN THE ABOVE CAPTIONED CRIMINAL MATTER.

Could be why she only served a year in the AF.

 

[Cool Cats]

Could be why she only served a year in the AF.

Ya. They wouldn't say if she was honorably discharged or not. I wonder how she ended up going from living independently in the AF into being dependant on the Wagners? Such a shame. Once she was pregnant with GW3's baby she was probably overwhelmed by them. The baby was Wagner "property." (Opinion)

Isn't there a marriage certificate out there for them somewhere? So little is known about them when they were young. Anyone who knew them back then is steering clear.

Who influenced who more? Did Billy and his parents turn Angela into a Wagner control freak?
Was Angela already a psychopath who brow beat him?

GW4 this Tuesday:

01/21/2020 02:00 PM PRE-TRIAL

 

[Merrygirl]

Ya. They wouldn't say if she was honorably discharged or not. I wonder how she ended up going from living independently in the AF into being dependant on the Wagners? Such a shame. Once she was pregnant with GW3's baby she was probably overwhelmed by them. The baby was Wagner "property." (Opinion)

Isn't there a marriage certificate out there for them somewhere? So little is known about them when they were young. Anyone who knew them back then is steering clear.

Who influenced who more? Did Billy and his parents turn Angela into a Wagner control freak?
Was Angela already a psychopath who brow beat him?

GW4 this Tuesday:

01/21/2020 02:00 PM PRE-TRIAL

‘I have been searching for a marriage certificate for BW/AW for months. I would think there has to be one somewhere. I’ve even checked different counties and different states.

 

[Cool Cats]

‘I have been searching for a marriage certificate for BW/AW for months. I would think there has to be one somewhere. I’ve even checked different counties and different states.

Thankx appreciate it. There are those people-search sites that you pay for and get all the public records on them. I wonder if they give birth and death certificates?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

CN birthday is 03/15/1990
19 months between age George Wagner 4th was born on 10/06/1991
On the Family search for Angela background, I haven’t found who is CN farther is, it always says Rn and her mother NB, does anyone know his farther listing as? IMO

 

[countrygirl12]

This is my first post, so please go easy on me. I've been following this case since it happened, and been reading everything I can find regarding the Rhodens(which is how I found websleuths) but are the preliminary autopsy reports public? And if so, where can I find them? I've read the final redacted reports and looking for new material.

 

[Cool Cats]

This is my first post, so please go easy on me. I've been following this case since it happened, and been reading everything I can find regarding the Rhodens(which is how I found websleuths) but are the preliminary autopsy reports public? And if so, where can I find them? I've read the final redacted reports and looking for new material.

Hey Welcome!

If you have read the “final redacted reports” as you say, then that is all there is. Reporters were allowed to read the reports and report on them in 2018.

This is how we learned the number of gunshot wounds and the location of such. Such as, Chris Sr. was awake and possibly shot through a door and also shot in the forearm like he was trying to protect himself. Also shot in the torso/spine and I assume face but need to revisit.

Also we learned details about number of shots and where they were located on the others.

Much is still redacted and other than looking up the articles involving those reporters - who are privy to the information - that is all that we can see.

Go on Scribd for the actual redacted reports.

 

[countrygirl12]

Thank you! I have been reading through all the threads off and on the last several years as a guest and I was trying to figure out how it became known CRSR was more decomposed. I haven't quite figured out all the autopsy lingo yet, sorry if I'm missing something that's obvious

 

[Cool Cats]

Thank you! I have been reading through all the threads off and on the last several years as a guest and I was trying to figure out how it became known CRSR was more decomposed. I haven't quite figured out all the autopsy lingo yet, sorry if I'm missing something that's obvious

Just let us know if you want links. The journalists privy to the reports saw it and read Chris was more decomposed which is frustrating because no one said why. The “why” was redacted out or not mentioned? Not sure.

It matters because it could mean Chris was killed way earlier and they laid in wait for Gary.

 

[countrygirl12]

Just let us know if you want links. The journalists privy to the reports saw it and read Chris was more decomposed which is frustrating because no one said why. The “why” was redacted out or not mentioned? Not sure.

It matters because it could mean Chris was killed way earlier and they laid in wait for Gary.

How much earlier are we talking? Like are you thinking a hour or two? I'm going to have to start from the very beginning again and think. I wish we knew what Gary was doing that day and where he went. P.S. I hope I used the reply button right. This is trial and error so please bear with me

 

[Betty P]

‘I have been searching for a marriage certificate for BW/AW for months. I would think there has to be one somewhere. I’ve even checked different counties and different states.

Ohio and it's counties don't put many marriage records on the internet. Not sure why. It's an Ohio thing. Some states are the same, with very little of their public records digitized. Maybe cheap?

@countrygirl12, there's no detail available from that note on the preliminary autopsy report. It was made by the ME at the crime scene, pretty sure. The final autopsy reports have never been made available to the news media or public. The AG fought a lawsuit all the way to the Ohio Supreme Court to keep the final A/R's hidden from public view. We may find out at trial, will have to wait and see.

 

[countrygirl12]

Ohio and it's counties don't put many marriage records on the internet. Not sure why. It's an Ohio thing. Some states are the same, with very little of their public records digitized. Maybe


@countrygirl12, there's no detail available from that note on the preliminary autopsy report. It was made by the ME at the crime scene, pretty sure. The final autopsy reports have never been made available to the news media or public. The AG fought a lawsuit all the way to the Ohio Supreme Court to keep the final A/R's hidden from public view. We may find out at trial, will have to wait and see.

Oops, my phone called it that when I downloaded it so I called it that too. Sorry!

 

[Cool Cats]

How much earlier are we talking? Like are you thinking a hour or two? I'm going to have to start from the very beginning again and think. I wish we knew what Gary was doing that day and where he went. P.S. I hope I used the reply button right. This is trial and error so please bear with me

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) —
September 19, 2018 at 4:33 PM EDT - Updated September 19 at 8:36 PM

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Reporters on Wednesday viewed preliminary autopsy reports in the still-unsolved slayings of eight Ohio family members in one of the state's most notorious crimes, following a decision by the Ohio Supreme Court. The reports provided few new details.

The court ruled unanimously in favor of the Cincinnati Enquirer, saying Ohio law allows reporters to view preliminary autopsy and investigative notes and findings, and photographs.

The Attorney General's Office, which is investigating the killings, made single-page reports for each victim available for inspection Wednesday morning. Under Ohio law, reporters can only view the information and are prohibited even from taking notes. No photos were released.

The report for victim Christopher Rhoden Sr. said he was shot nine times and notes without explanation that his body was decomposed "more than all the others."

It now appears that 40-year-old Christopher Rhoden Sr., the family patriarch, was among the first killed.

The reports indicate he was awake when he was confronted by at least one person with a gun.

He appeared to have suffered a defensive wound to his right forearm and that another bullet went through a door before hitting him, the Chillicothe Gazette reported.
In addition to the bullet wound to his forearm, Rhoden also was shot in the torso and cheek.

(Chris and his cousin Gary were both found in the back bedroom with one or both apparently having been dragged from the front room according to the indictments.)

Rhoden family massacre: Autopsy reports indicate one victim was awake when fatally shot

Ohio Supreme Court rules reporters can view preliminary autopsy reports in Southern Ohio slayings

 

[Merrygirl]

CN birthday is 03/15/1990
19 months between age George Wagner 4th was born on 10/06/1991
On the Family search for Angela background, I haven’t found who is CN farther is, it always says Rn and her mother NB, does anyone know his farther listing as? IMO

His father is LN. There are two LN who I believe are father/son. One is 5 yrs (Born in 1985) older than CN and I don’t think RN is his mother but ICBW. CN father used to live on Back Woods Rd. I believe RN & LN were divorced in 2009 IIRC. Look at Scioto Co Common Pleas. LN+ CN=scrap metal indictment

 

[Merrygirl]

Thankx appreciate it. There are those people-search sites that you pay for and get all the public records on them. I wonder if they give birth and death certificates?

‘I’ve looked on background sites, ancestry sites & marriage records in Ky, Miami-Dade Co Fla, Scioto-Pike-Ross & Adams Counties. Any other suggestions?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) —
September 19, 2018 at 4:33 PM EDT - Updated September 19 at 8:36 PM

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Reporters on Wednesday viewed preliminary autopsy reports in the still-unsolved slayings of eight Ohio family members in one of the state's most notorious crimes, following a decision by the Ohio Supreme Court. The reports provided few new details.

The court ruled unanimously in favor of the Cincinnati Enquirer, saying Ohio law allows reporters to view preliminary autopsy and investigative notes and findings, and photographs.

The Attorney General's Office, which is investigating the killings, made single-page reports for each victim available for inspection Wednesday morning. Under Ohio law, reporters can only view the information and are prohibited even from taking notes. No photos were released.

The report for victim Christopher Rhoden Sr. said he was shot nine times and notes without explanation that his body was decomposed "more than all the others."

It now appears that 40-year-old Christopher Rhoden Sr., the family patriarch, was among the first killed.

The reports indicate he was awake when he was confronted by at least one person with a gun.

He appeared to have suffered a defensive wound to his right forearm and that another bullet went through a door before hitting him, the Chillicothe Gazette reported.
In addition to the bullet wound to his forearm, Rhoden also was shot in the torso and cheek.

(Chris and his cousin Gary were both found in the back bedroom with one or both apparently having been dragged from the front room according to the indictments.)

Rhoden family massacre: Autopsy reports indicate one victim was awake when fatally shot

Ohio Supreme Court rules reporters can view preliminary autopsy reports in Southern Ohio slayings

If you read the autopsy reports all the victims remained in the homes all day Friday and the next day Saturday the 23Rd the ME started with Hannah Gilley she was first for Saturday morning around 10:00 AM, the next person to get autopsy was Hanna May Rhoden it was from 12:00PM to 2:00PM after that the Medical Examiner did autopsy on Dana Rhoden from 2:00PM to 4 o’clock , the ME did the visual part on Chris Rhoden jr Saturday and the next day Sunday at 10:00AM the Medical Examiner preformed the main autopsy on Chris Rhoden jr autopsy until 12:00PM after his was Gary Rhoden autopsy from 12:00Pm until 2:00 o’clock, Kenneth Rhoden autopsy was from 2 o’clock until 4 o’clock after that Chris Rhoden Sr had just the visual part of the exam Sunday, Monday April 25th is when the final part of the autopsy was performed on Big Chris so if you think about it, Chris Sr was deceased 3 days more than the others at the time of their autopsy and I think that’s where the phrase of decomposed more than the rest of the family came from, JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) —
September 19, 2018 at 4:33 PM EDT - Updated September 19 at 8:36 PM

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Reporters on Wednesday viewed preliminary autopsy reports in the still-unsolved slayings of eight Ohio family members in one of the state's most notorious crimes, following a decision by the Ohio Supreme Court. The reports provided few new details.

The court ruled unanimously in favor of the Cincinnati Enquirer, saying Ohio law allows reporters to view preliminary autopsy and investigative notes and findings, and photographs.

The Attorney General's Office, which is investigating the killings, made single-page reports for each victim available for inspection Wednesday morning. Under Ohio law, reporters can only view the information and are prohibited even from taking notes. No photos were released.

The report for victim Christopher Rhoden Sr. said he was shot nine times and notes without explanation that his body was decomposed "more than all the others."

It now appears that 40-year-old Christopher Rhoden Sr., the family patriarch, was among the first killed.

The reports indicate he was awake when he was confronted by at least one person with a gun.

He appeared to have suffered a defensive wound to his right forearm and that another bullet went through a door before hitting him, the Chillicothe Gazette reported.
In addition to the bullet wound to his forearm, Rhoden also was shot in the torso and cheek.

(Chris and his cousin Gary were both found in the back bedroom with one or both apparently having been dragged from the front room according to the indictments.)

Rhoden family massacre: Autopsy reports indicate one victim was awake when fatally shot

Ohio Supreme Court rules reporters can view preliminary autopsy reports in Southern Ohio slayings

If you read the autopsy reports all the victims remained in the homes all day Friday and the next day Saturday the 23Rd the ME started with Hannah Gilley she was first for Saturday morning around 10:00 AM, the next person to get autopsy was Hanna May Rhoden it was from 12:00PM to 2:00PM after that the Medical Examiner did autopsy on Dana Rhoden from 2:00PM to 4 o’clock , the ME did the visual part on Chris Rhoden jr Saturday and the next day Sunday at 10:00AM the Medical Examiner preformed the main autopsy on Chris Rhoden jr autopsy until 12:00PM after his was Gary Rhoden autopsy from 12:00Pm until 2:00 o’clock, Kenneth Rhoden autopsy was from 2 o’clock until 4 o’clock after that Chris Rhoden Sr had just the visual part of the exam Sunday, Monday April 25th is when the final part of the autopsy was performed on Big Chris so if you think about it, Chris Sr was deceased 3 days more than the others at the time of their autopsy and I think that’s where the phrase of decomposed more than the rest of the family came from, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

If you read the autopsy reports all the victims remained in the homes all day Friday and the next day Saturday the 23Rd the ME started with Hannah Gilley she was first for Saturday morning around 10:00 AM, the next person to get autopsy was Hanna May Rhoden it was from 12:00PM to 2:00PM after that the Medical Examiner did autopsy on Dana Rhoden from 2:00PM to 4 o’clock , the ME did the visual part on Chris Rhoden jr Saturday and the next day Sunday at 10:00AM the Medical Examiner preformed the main autopsy on Chris Rhoden jr autopsy until 12:00PM after his was Gary Rhoden autopsy from 12:00Pm until 2:00 o’clock, Kenneth Rhoden autopsy was from 2 o’clock until 4 o’clock after that Chris Rhoden Sr had just the visual part of the exam Sunday, Monday April 25th is when the final part of the autopsy was performed on Big Chris so if you think about it, Chris Sr was deceased 3 days more than the others at the time of their autopsy and I think that’s where the phrase of decomposed more than the rest of the family came from, JMO

I think I am going to go crazy. With all do respect,

we just don't know why Chris Sr. was listed as more decomposed. More gunshot wounds? Shot hours earlier? One or the other. Only a trial will reveal it. I hope for a trial to explain it.