OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Cool Cats]

Well when the muffler decides to fall off, it just does, no appointments, no delivery date, just bump and there it is.

Remember one of the dogs had a device on it? I'm sure I recall that as being true as stated by LE or MSM. Bugs everywhere!

Right! But what a coincidence JM's "muffler " falls off after a tracker is put on! I know your joking about the muffler.

As for devices on the dogs I don't think it's realistic the dogs were walking around with security devices on them, the way the statement is written can be taken the wrong way:

"They also studied counter-surveillance devices on the properties, including pets, and tampered with phones; cameras; and parts of a home security system.. "

I interpret this to mean they studied the Rhoden's surveillance devices and also studied the dogs, the dogs were there to help the Rhodens with security. Like how many, where they were, how to get past them etc... I don't get how they stopped them barking unless the barking did not have time to wake them.

On a side note:

I was rereading the part of them buying these things:

..The Wagners bought ammunition, a magazine clip, brass catchers and a bug detector to prepare for the crimes, according to the indictments... "

The ammunition would be the cartridges that hold the bullets so the Wagners bought cartridges at Wallmart and BCI would know exactly what type.

I wonder if the forensics done on the gun shot residue and the bullets will tie into the cartridges they bought. Even without cartridges being left behind the residue and bullets are left behind.The cartridges they bought could be the actual ones they shot.

Gun Shot Residue Testing - Is it Still a Viable Form of Physical Evidence?
A modern cartridge consists of the following:

1. bullet, as the projectile;
2. case, which holds all parts together;
3. propellant, for example gunpowder or cordite;
4. rim, which provides the extractor on the firearm a place to grip the casing to remove it from the chamber once fired;
5. primer, which ignites the propellant.

 

[Antimony]

Dogs sometimes are fitted with homing devices so that they may be found after getting lost during a coon hunt (or something). Sometimes GPS units are used too figure out where the dogs go during their travels.

 

[Tiff23fr]

You know, everyone. As I lay my head down to go to sleep and pray the Lord my soul to keep, I just had a thought. All the questions have been answered. The last lady has sung. And God has poured out justice to be served. The long investigation has ended with countless pieces of evidence against all 4 Wagners..as being the ones who meticouusly planned, plotted,.and carried out every one of the 8 brutal murders. May they all die at the death penalty for they do not deserve less.

I feel they do have a lot of evidence on the Wagners as well. When I was looking at the Redfin site yesterday I noticed some of the screenshots in the sales photos had dates other than June. The interior photos have a time stamp at the top of September 29, 2015. The planning of the murders may have started in Jan 2016, but it seems they had planned to list the house even before then. A desire to move could have been at the heart of the custody challenges that escalated, maybe they wanted to move and expected HR to go with and she declined and broke things off, or they were having Financial burdens at that time. Just a speculation.

"In September 2015, Wagner said Rhoden broke off the relationship, but he said they decided to share custody and parenting of Sophia."
Pike County murders: Court docs reveal custody battle at heart of killings

I wonder if anything else was possibly going on in Sept. other than the break up...I'm not sure if we can figure out the day in Sept they broke up but odds would be it was before the 29th. Or if it was around the 29th something she said in relation to the break up made them take pics at 10:54 at night to prepare to sale the house.

Possibility- Someone decides they have to leave/move and someone else says not without SW and it escalated from there?

*All speculation, except the dates and times found on the sale photos.

 

[Dudly]

Dogs sometimes are fitted with homing devices so that they may be found after getting lost during a coon hunt (or something). Sometimes GPS units are used too figure out where the dogs go during their travels.

Those are used in coyote hunting in my area. You see the trucks parked along the road with antennas tracking the dogs. When the dogs stop moving, they locate the dogs and the coyote they found. They used to be used for coon hunting, too, but not much of that hunting being done anymore.

 

[StrangeOne]

I looked for my diagram of DR's and am having no luck but she had a 1994 Fleetwood MH. There was an addition on the back, and iirc a basement or partial basement.

I didn't know that. Thank you! I am still waiting but I can tell you it's not that easy to find.

 

[Merrygirl]

I agree. I would rather talk evidence at this point too but still have theories based on those facts. Like it"s fact the Wagners were spying after the murders and it would be obvious the Rhodens and Manley's would be targets.

It's possible the Wagners set up spy ware or what-not before the murders to have it in place for after the murders. Trackers on cars is one possibility. Police were called because Miss Geneva's door was tampered with and someone snooped on Kendra's property - those are facts but the possibility of it being the Wagners is theory.

Not sure what research to do on the red truck.

I don't understand the truck connections, I never discussed it on here before. I am interested in learning more about it by reading this thread.

‘I’m not sure how the spying ties into the theory of why the tracking device on JM’s truck but I have a few theories on why. One of my theories (my biggest one) is initially I think LE was hitting JM hard, as they usually do, cuz they couldn’t eliminate him due to the lies told by the W4. When he kept passing the lie detectors they figured he was innocent but needed him to put pressure on W4 so they lied to him and said he flunked it. Now, if I was JM and constantly being hounded by LE, knew who the real culprits were, and was very irritated that LE was taking so long to catch the culprits, I would try to take justice in my own hands, especially when I knew W4 was making plans to flee. The Ah Ha moment came with the purchase of the red truck. Maybe LE didn’t have enough concrete evidence just yet to make the arrest but couldn’t risk W4 fleeing so they figured JM could lead the trail on W4 and they could search the properties when the W4 left. But JM found out about the tracker and squashed the plan. This is just my theory.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

What kind of evidence do you Sleuthers think BCI found in JMs truck that morning?

 

[Dudly]

What kind of evidence do you Sleuthers think BCI found in JMs truck that morning?

None. They held it for fictitious or illegal plates. LM said that in an interview. I don't have the link to the interview so it is my opinion only, I suppose...

 

[Dudly]

I didn't know that. Thank you! I am still waiting but I can tell you it's not that easy to find.

I posted it....

 

[GoBuckeyes]

3 executions scheduled in Ohio, delayed due to drug shortage.
Ohio governor delays 3 more executions amid drug shortage

If the Ws are given the death penalty, do you think it will ever come to fruition?

 

[Cool Cats]

3 executions scheduled in Ohio, delayed due to drug shortage.
Ohio governor delays 3 more executions amid drug shortage

If the Ws are given the death penalty, do you think it will ever come to fruition?

I hope not because for the children's sake.

 

[Cool Cats]

None. They held it for fictitious or illegal plates. LM said that in an interview. I don't have the link to the interview so it is my opinion only, I suppose...

LM:

"I think they are going to get in trouble when they run all those VINs,'' he said. "They are going to find some of them ain't even Chris."

Why the Rhoden family had so many cars

 

[Cool Cats]

‘I’m not sure how the spying ties into the theory of why the tracking device on JM’s truck but I have a few theories on why. One of my theories (my biggest one) is initially I think LE was hitting JM hard, as they usually do, cuz they couldn’t eliminate him due to the lies told by the W4. When he kept passing the lie detectors they figured he was innocent but needed him to put pressure on W4 so they lied to him and said he flunked it. Now, if I was JM and constantly being hounded by LE, knew who the real culprits were, and was very irritated that LE was taking so long to catch the culprits, I would try to take justice in my own hands, especially when I knew W4 was making plans to flee. The Ah Ha moment came with the purchase of the red truck. Maybe LE didn’t have enough concrete evidence just yet to make the arrest but couldn’t risk W4 fleeing so they figured JM could lead the trail on W4 and they could search the properties when the W4 left. But JM found out about the tracker and squashed the plan. This is just my theory.

So I am still at my wit's end trying to figure out relavence (to murders) in regards to red truck. Do you really think this truck was used in commisson, look-out or whatever, of the R/G murders? Of course they lie, but LE said in the MSM specifically, that the red truck was not related to R/G murders.

So did James for sure purchase red truck from Wags? And when? Sorry. Trying to get up to speed here..........

 

[Tiff23fr]

So I am still at my wit's end trying to figure out relavence (to murders) in regards to red truck. Do you really think this truck was used in commisson, look-out or whatever, of the R/G murders? Of course they lie, but LE said in the MSM specifically, that the red truck was not related to R/G murders.

So did James for sure purchase red truck from Wags? And when? Sorry. Trying to get up to speed here..........

CC not sure if you saw my post yesterday, but here is a zoomed view. There are two vehicles in the photo. I can only say it's my opinion that yes the truck was either intended to be used or was used and that it came from the Wagners. My speculation and opinion only.

I don't remember LE ever saying it wasn't connected. I felt they simply avoided answering the question or spelling it out because it's sealed.

A search warrant detailing BCI's decision to place the tracking device on Manley's truck last month is under court-ordered seal and will not be released, Tierney said.
The warrant copy that The Enquirer obtained indicated that investigators believe Manley's truck was used in connection with an aggravated murder or by a person intending such a crime, the newspaper reported. It doesn't specify a connection to the Rhoden homicide investigation, and it doesn't name Manley as a suspect.

Rhoden relative turns himself in under charges of evidence tampering, vandalism

 

[Loomis124]

None. They held it for fictitious or illegal plates. LM said that in an interview. I don't have the link to the interview so it is my opinion only, I suppose...

I agree.

 

[Loomis124]

So I am still at my wit's end trying to figure out relavence (to murders) in regards to red truck. Do you really think this truck was used in commisson, look-out or whatever, of the R/G murders? Of course they lie, but LE said in the MSM specifically, that the red truck was not related to R/G murders.

So did James for sure purchase red truck from Wags? And when? Sorry. Trying to get up to speed here..........

CC, can you please post the MSM where LE said it was related to these murders? I don't remember seeing it. Thanks.

 

[Puzzles8]

CC not sure if you saw my post yesterday, but here is a zoomed view. There are two vehicles in the photo. I can only say it's my opinion that yes the truck was either intended to be used or was used and that it came from the Wagners. My speculation and opinion only.

I don't remember LE ever saying it wasn't connected. I felt they simply avoided answering the question or spelling it out because it's sealed.

A search warrant detailing BCI's decision to place the tracking device on Manley's truck last month is under court-ordered seal and will not be released, Tierney said.
The warrant copy that The Enquirer obtained indicated that investigators believe Manley's truck was used in connection with an aggravated murder or by a person intending such a crime, the newspaper reported. It doesn't specify a connection to the Rhoden homicide investigation, and it doesn't name Manley as a suspect.

Rhoden relative turns himself in under charges of evidence tampering, vandalism

I think a vehicle is most identifiable by it's license plates, either seen or captured on surveillance camera's.

I can't yet string some of these thoughts together, but I'll throw them out here and maybe someone else can.

License plates/temporary license plates..
Stolen/"borrowed" license plates..
JM's red truck - problem with either expired or illegal plates..
Authority to issue temporary license plates..

CRsr was in the business of buying used cars, fixing them up and selling them. He would take title to the cars he bought at auction then need to retitle the cars after he sold them. I'm guessing he was authorized (by the State of Ohio MV) to issue temporary plates immediately after the car was sold. Then, at some point CRsr would file the paperwork to retitle the sold car. I'm sure the state's intent is to have all the paperwork filed on the day of transfer. In reality, I don't know how strictly that time frame can be enforced.

Did the W's switch/steal some license plates the night of the murders? Or later on?

Just thinking out loud.

JMO, MOO

 

[Dudly]

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[Loomis124]

A new idea. Is it even remotely possible The Red Truck was in CRSR's legal possession the night of the murders and used by the Wagners in some manner? Just thinking.

 

[Loomis124]

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