OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #57

[OhioBlues]

Ok Sleuthers one question please everybody speaks your thoughts, why did LE take the crime scenes and put them under lock and key, we all heard a lot of evidence the other day and nothing the prosecution said told me why the homes had to be locked up.

My guess would be to use them in conjunction with the 3D Imagery that BCI took and put it all in complete perspective for the Jury.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

On May 12, DeWine and Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader announced the state's intention to relocate the mobile homes where the killings occurred to a secure location, in order to preserve evidence and protect the mementos of the Rhoden family.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

My guess would be to use them in conjunction with the 3D Imagery that BCI took and put it all in complete perspective for the Jury.

I thought they did the 3D scans the first week of the murders???? JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

I thought they did the 3D scans the first week of the murders???? JMO

Yes. I agree. I could be totally wrong. JMO, that it would be helpful to see the computer images with the real life trailers. jmo

 

[OhioBlues]

Ok Sleuthers one question please everybody speaks your thoughts, why did LE take the crime scenes and put them under lock and key, we all heard a lot of evidence the other day and nothing the prosecution said told me why the homes had to be locked up.

I think we only learned a tiny amount of the prosections evidence during GW4 hearing.

Where I grew up, those trailers would have been burned down in a matter of weeks.

 

[Dudly]

I think we only learned a tiny amount of the prosections evidence during GW4 hearing.

Where I grew up, those trailers would have been burned down in a matter of weeks.

People would have broken in to see the crime scenes and take personal items as souvenirs. And the possibility of them being burned to destroy evidence was high. They would have needed guards at four locations 24/7 and the man power and cost is prohibitive.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Strong Circumstantial evidence.

W4 tried to gain custody of SW prior to the murders via texts, FB messages, fist fights and harming HR but she refused.
Forged documents.
HR said that 'they' would all have to kill her first.
W4 are on video buying the specific shoes found at the scene.
The physical purchases buying their murder kit have been tracked back to them by receipt or they used Reward Cards.
The W4 ran around saying to each other that the cops have wire tapped our house, our phone, our truck etc and yet they had zero self control so they yammered on about it all. It is on tape. JMO.
This footprint evidence has been used in many trials but the W4 kept the receipt and they have AW on camera buying the shoes for her 'boys'. But then the 'boys' said that they had never seen the shoes. AW claims she threw them away because the 'boys' hated them (the same day she bought them) instead of returning the shoes.
AW listed every possession they owned on the internet for sell so there is no way she threw away brand news shoes that just so happen to match the murderers shoes and shoe sizes.
The weapons etc.
JW Bullet casings are to a rare gun that even I have seen a photo of that the BCI have his palm prints on.


No trial is a cake walk but none of the W4 are walking JMO.

The shoes are very important in my opinion.


Wagner’s attorneys have also asked the judge for a hearing on the shoe print evidence prosecutors intend to introduce at trial. According to the motion opposing the hearing, prosecutors said shoe impressions found in dried blood at the two Union Hill Road crime scenes matched shoe prints from a size 10.5 and 11 Walmart Athletic Works shoe with velcro straps.

Prosecutors said BCI agents found a receipt from the Walmart in Waverly dated April 7, 2016, during a search of the Wagner property. April 7, 2016, was 15 days before the murders. Agents obtained surveillance photos from the purchase of the Athletic Works shoes from Walmart stores that included photos of Angela Wagner buying the shoes on April 7, 2016, at the same time noted on the receipt.
Just filed court documents reveal details about evidence in Rhoden case

I can't imagine any mother thinking boys Jake and George's age would like those shoes. That's certainly a personal opinion.

With so many trips to Wal-mart it seems she would have returned them if "the boys didn't like them". The inability to show what happened to them after purchase isn't good at all.

Many things can be picked apart and I believe they will be by the defense one by one. At some point the excuses will start to be harder for them to come up with.
I think it's once you put all these things together, they sure don't seem like random purchases or one offs. Each of the items from shoes to brass catchers and mag lights purchased in such a small window of time show preparation for an event or occasion.

You plan a party, you buy balloons, cake, streamers, candles, etc.
You plan a murder, it seems you buy things such as the Wagners purchased.
JMO

 

[Tiff23fr]

Yes! I wonder here if George was talking about EW? George had no right to talk, LOL. IMO.

I get the impression him not getting rid of his phone within days of the murders means he was communicating a lot with a female at that time.
It is hard to say, it could have been someone of relationship interest, or it could have been a female who may have immediately thought something was up if he lost his phone right then.
EW seems a stretch that early on, but of course it could be possible.
All just opinion..

 

[Tiff23fr]

Thinking back to George's statement: "If they found the gun, they found the silencer."

In my mind this implies both items were put in the same location. Was it stated they didn't find the gun though? I wasn't 100% clear on the specifics around that gun.

 

[Dudly]

Thinking back to George's statement: "If they found the gun, they found the silencer."

In my mind this implies both items were put in the same location. Was it stated they didn't find the gun though? I wasn't 100% clear on the specifics around that gun.

BBM
How would he know anything about the gun and silencer possibly being found in the same location if he was not involved?

 

[Tiff23fr]

BBM
How would he know anything about the gun and silencer possibly being found in the same location if he was not involved?

Same location/general area was my interpretation of what it could have meant.

Agree if not involved how would he even know about a silencer.

I wondered about same location because if the silencer was found but not the gun, could it have been moved later?

Again, all speculation based on if someone believes A Was found, why they might quickly suggest or refer to the finding of B.

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Ok Sleuthers one question please everybody speaks your thoughts, why did LE take the crime scenes and put them under lock and key, we all heard a lot of evidence the other day and nothing the prosecution said told me why the homes had to be locked up.

Because if not then they would be looted and LE wanted to be able to go back to the scenes for additional evidence if need-be

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Strong Circumstantial evidence.

W4 tried to gain custody of SW prior to the murders via texts, FB messages, fist fights and harming HR but she refused.
Forged documents.
HR said that 'they' would all have to kill her first.
W4 are on video buying the specific shoes found at the scene.
The physical purchases buying their murder kit have been tracked back to them by receipt or they used Reward Cards.
The W4 ran around saying to each other that the cops have wire tapped our house, our phone, our truck etc and yet they had zero self control so they yammered on about it all. It is on tape. JMO.
This footprint evidence has been used in many trials but the W4 kept the receipt and they have AW on camera buying the shoes for her 'boys'. But then the 'boys' said that they had never seen the shoes. AW claims she threw them away because the 'boys' hated them (the same day she bought them) instead of returning the shoes.
AW listed every possession they owned on the internet for sell so there is no way she threw away brand news shoes that just so happen to match the murderers shoes and shoe sizes.
The weapons etc.
JW Bullet casings are to a rare gun that even I have seen a photo of that the BCI have his palm prints on.


No trial is a cake walk but none of the W4 are walking JMO.

So what they wanted to gain custody of Jakes kid, what’s wrong with that? They shouldn’t be charged with murder of proof they was trying to get custody of his kid

The boots Angela bought from Walmart isn’t illegal she’s allowed to go buy boots for her kids. Other people bought those boots too.

I don’t believe they found the weapons did they? Yes they found bullet casings in the wagner property and stuff in the well but how do we know they’re not being framed?

<modsnip: There is no MSM to support this type of speculation or accusation against any individuals who are not officially named a POI or suspect>

 

[NotHammerToed]

So, without seeing the evidence, you can determine that they will all walk? Maybe you could contact the Prosecution and let them know that they are wasting their time.

I this this poster.

 

[NotHammerToed]

Dbm

 

[Myland]

The shoes are very important in my opinion.


Wagner’s attorneys have also asked the judge for a hearing on the shoe print evidence prosecutors intend to introduce at trial. According to the motion opposing the hearing, prosecutors said shoe impressions found in dried blood at the two Union Hill Road crime scenes matched shoe prints from a size 10.5 and 11 Walmart Athletic Works shoe with velcro straps.

Prosecutors said BCI agents found a receipt from the Walmart in Waverly dated April 7, 2016, during a search of the Wagner property. April 7, 2016, was 15 days before the murders. Agents obtained surveillance photos from the purchase of the Athletic Works shoes from Walmart stores that included photos of Angela Wagner buying the shoes on April 7, 2016, at the same time noted on the receipt.
Just filed court documents reveal details about evidence in Rhoden case

I can't imagine any mother thinking boys Jake and George's age would like those shoes. That's certainly a personal opinion.

With so many trips to Wal-mart it seems she would have returned them if "the boys didn't like them". The inability to show what happened to them after purchase isn't good at all.

Many things can be picked apart and I believe they will be by the defense one by one. At some point the excuses will start to be harder for them to come up with.
I think it's once you put all these things together, they sure don't seem like random purchases or one offs. Each of the items from shoes to brass catchers and mag lights purchased in such a small window of time show preparation for an event or occasion.

You plan a party, you buy balloons, cake, streamers, candles, etc.
You plan a murder, it seems you buy things such as the Wagners purchased.
JMO

Jmo the shoes are the not that strong of evidence. Waverly Walmart is very small, not much in selection. Higher chance of more people buying exact same shoe. I buy stuff for my adult children and they will not wear. I rarely take items back. Actually can’t remember last time I returned an item. The bullet casing if proven a match would be the strongest depending on when they were found jmo

 

[Betty P]

The shoes are very important in my opinion.


Wagner’s attorneys have also asked the judge for a hearing on the shoe print evidence prosecutors intend to introduce at trial. According to the motion opposing the hearing, prosecutors said shoe impressions found in dried blood at the two Union Hill Road crime scenes matched shoe prints from a size 10.5 and 11 Walmart Athletic Works shoe with velcro straps.

Prosecutors said BCI agents found a receipt from the Walmart in Waverly dated April 7, 2016, during a search of the Wagner property. April 7, 2016, was 15 days before the murders. Agents obtained surveillance photos from the purchase of the Athletic Works shoes from Walmart stores that included photos of Angela Wagner buying the shoes on April 7, 2016, at the same time noted on the receipt.
Just filed court documents reveal details about evidence in Rhoden case

I can't imagine any mother thinking boys Jake and George's age would like those shoes. That's certainly a personal opinion.

With so many trips to Wal-mart it seems she would have returned them if "the boys didn't like them". The inability to show what happened to them after purchase isn't good at all.

Many things can be picked apart and I believe they will be by the defense one by one. At some point the excuses will start to be harder for them to come up with.
I think it's once you put all these things together, they sure don't seem like random purchases or one offs. Each of the items from shoes to brass catchers and mag lights purchased in such a small window of time show preparation for an event or occasion.

You plan a party, you buy balloons, cake, streamers, candles, etc.
You plan a murder, it seems you buy things such as the Wagners purchased.
JMO

The Mag Lite suppressor is a major piece of evidence. The parts found on the Wags property (buried deep in a well located inside their big barn along with other items belonging to them) has been matched to the other suppressor parts found at one of the crime scenes. Couple that with purchases they made of other parts for the suppressor and you've got irrefutable evidence that links them to the murders. Combined with all the other evidence, (including 8,000 texts, emails, and other messages) it's going to be nearly impossible for the defense teams to get any of them acquitted.

JMO, the best any of them can hope for is a plea deal. The 4 Wagners killed the Rhodens and Hannah Gilley, period.

 

[Betty P]

So what they wanted to gain custody of Jakes kid, what’s wrong with that? They shouldn’t be charged with murder of proof they was trying to get custody of his kid

The boots Angela bought from Walmart isn’t illegal she’s allowed to go buy boots for her kids. Other people bought those boots too.

I don’t believe they found the weapons did they? Yes they found bullet casings in the wagner property and stuff in the well but how do we know they’re not being framed? <modsnip: There is no MSM to support this type of speculation or accusation against any individuals who are not officially named a POI or suspect>

Among the many holes in your argument, some big ones are DNA evidence, finding the suppressor parts on the W's property, evidence of them purchasing the parts for the suppressor and evidence of parts from the same suppressor left at one of the crime scenes.

<modsnip: Quoted post was modsnipped>

 

[Betty P]

There’s no witnesses, no finger prints and no dna evidence. How they gonna prove who fired the shots? Each case is individual. They’ll all individually walk. So sad

Prosecution doesn't have to prove which person fired shots. All they have to prove beyong a reasonable doubt is that all 4 of them were aware of and involved in the planning and execution of the murders.

 

[Betty P]

Jmo the shoes are the not that strong of evidence. Waverly Walmart is very small, not much in selection. Higher chance of more people buying exact same shoe. I buy stuff for my adult children and they will not wear. I rarely take items back. Actually can’t remember last time I returned an item. The bullet casing if proven a match would be the strongest depending on when they were found jmo

Bullet casings were found at the crime scenes and on the Peterson Rd. property of the Wags. They found many, many of them, all with matching firing pin marks. IOW, the bullet casings at the crime scenes and the Wag's farm were from ammo fired by the same weapon.