OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #58

[Cool Cats]

@Cool Cats - I don't think the piece about CR being shot through a door or wall is rumor or theory. I think it's official information told to family, leaked to a journalist, published, then edited out after a complaint.
But here's a theory anyhow...
The first time we hear about CR being shot through a door or wall is when a writer published it in a news story. I believe at that point it becomes part of the record. Only a couple hours later the editor removed that sentence from the story without a published correction or clarification. If a news writer makes a mistake and the mistake is published then the editor will issue a correction or clarification. But, If an investigator calls and asks for a specific detail to be removed for whatever reason, there won't be a correction issued b/c a mistake wasn't made. It just gets edited from the webpage story like it wasn't there. In my opinion, this is what occurred.

I used to have a copy saved of the first article that said he was shot through "a wall or a door" it said.

Then yes, it was quickly edited out.

This is how the "rumor" got started. I read an article that said he may have been shot through a door due to splintering and how his head was turned but it wasn't conclusive.

@Tiff23fr just posted something more conclusive which looks as though it is fact that he was shot through a door.

Significant I think because he was found in the back bedroom and could have been shot through that bedroom door and fell there with Gary being the one who was dragged from the front room. We know Gary was laying over Chris's legs according to Gary's dad. Obviously Chris was in the bedroom first before Gary...

Opinion

 

[Dudly]

I used to have a copy saved of the first article that said he was shot through "a wall or a door" it said.

Then yes, it was quickly edited out.

This is how the "rumor" got started. I read an article that said he may have been shot through a door due to splintering and how his head was turned but it wasn't conclusive.

@Tiff23fr just posted something more conclusive which looks as though it is fact that he was shot through a door.

Significant I think because he was found in the back bedroom and could have been shot through that bedroom door and fell there with Gary being the one who was dragged from the front room. We know Gary was laying over Chris's legs according to Gary's dad. Obviously Chris was in the bedroom first before Gary...

Opinion

This article says the preliminary autopsy report said a shot went through a door before it hit CRsr.

Rhoden family massacre: Preliminary autopsy reports reviewed

 

[Cool Cats]

This article says the preliminary autopsy report said a shot went through a door before it hit CRsr.

Rhoden family massacre: Preliminary autopsy reports reviewed

Thanks. For some reason I was remembering it differently, been a long time, that it looked like he was shot through a door etc...

Anyway, this is now a fact in the Case and to me anyway, explains why he was in the back bedroom but opinion only.

 

[dgfred]

I am thinking front door instead of bedroom door... not sure why tho.

 

[Cool Cats]

I am thinking front door instead of bedroom door... not sure why tho.

BJM did not see anything wrong with the front door. She thought it odd the 2 dogs were outside and odd that the door was locked but she knew where the key was.

I am sure she would have said something if she saw any bullet holes and splintering in the door.

But it's a mystery to me why bullet casings were found on the front porch which does make it seem like they fired from outside. BJM did not see any bullet casings but bullet casings can fly some distance away and end up all over the place. One was under the house.

?????

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I agree with what you say here regarding the possible contents of CRsr safe and the possible reasons Wagners may have wanted access to it.
JMO

RASINISBACK, like you, I keep important papers and mementos in my small safe. I like the idea of a wooden egg! This is a fact!

I was thinking more of those two girls birth certificates. They are easy to alter. Jakes name could have been put on both girls birth certificates as their father if the Wagner's could obtain them.

BBM

O/T
That wooden egg was the beginning of a huge and out of control egg collection. One from every member of my family (I have a huge family), one from every state in the lower 48 thanks to my truck driving BIL and one from Hawaii thanks to hubby's sister and one from AK thanks to my trip there. Many from other countries thanks to clients who travel and work there and vacations. I have so many shadow boxes on my walls you can barely see what color they are painted. (sigh).

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I wasn't agreeing with your idea that KR dropped GR off, but I was certainly thinking about the possibility of somebody dropping him off. Who knows, maybe GR drove himself home that night, after four years of hearing he didn't drive at the time.

Ok. My bad.

 

[Fight4justice]

BJM did not see anything wrong with the front door. She thought it odd the 2 dogs were outside and odd that the door was locked but she knew where the key was.

I am sure she would have said something if she saw any bullet holes and splintering in the door.

But it's a mystery to me why bullet casings were found on the front porch which does make it seem like they fired from outside. BJM did not see any bullet casings but bullet casings can fly some distance away and end up all over the place. One was under the house.

?????

I was thinking that one of them tripped coming out and the brass catcher broke spilling some casings that rolled off the porch and under the the house. I remember something about someone trespassing at the crime scenes a few days later. Maybe they were after the spilt casings, my opinion only.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I used to have a copy saved of the first article that said he was shot through "a wall or a door" it said.

Then yes, it was quickly edited out.

This is how the "rumor" got started. I read an article that said he may have been shot through a door due to splintering and how his head was turned but it wasn't conclusive.

@Tiff23fr just posted something more conclusive which looks as though it is fact that he was shot through a door.

Significant I think because he was found in the back bedroom and could have been shot through that bedroom door and fell there with Gary being the one who was dragged from the front room. We know Gary was laying over Chris's legs according to Gary's dad. Obviously Chris was in the bedroom first before Gary...

Opinion

• Although officials had said all the victims were shot in their sleep, the way his head was tilted indicates that Christopher Rhoden Sr. was shot through a door. He also may have been shot first as his body was the most decomposed when it was discovered by the coroner's office.

Rhodens shot in head at point-blank range


Then this link says "through bedroom door"

Autopsy reports on the Rhoden family massacre are released showing cruel and calculated killings | Daily Mail Online

 

[Dudly]

BJM did not see anything wrong with the front door. She thought it odd the 2 dogs were outside and odd that the door was locked but she knew where the key was.

I am sure she would have said something if she saw any bullet holes and splintering in the door.

But it's a mystery to me why bullet casings were found on the front porch which does make it seem like they fired from outside. BJM did not see any bullet casings but bullet casings can fly some distance away and end up all over the place. One was under the house.

?????

Wasn’t it a bullet under the house that they retrieved? I would think that was from someone shooting at someone on the floor or by fighting over a gun...Just my opinion.

 

[ColMustard]

Wasn’t it a bullet under the house that they retrieved? I would think that was from someone shooting at someone on the floor or by fighting over a gun...Just my opinion.

Yes it was. Revealed in Schneider's testimony. (spent bullet found under the house, the .30 caliber)

Also, a news article quoted one of DR's co-workers saying she was upset after a phone call at work. Mentioned something DR said, but I can't remember the quote right now. Article cannot be found.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Thank you. I think that poster was agreeing with my opinion which may or may not be correct. No link. Please be kind since I don't think many posters agree with what I post. lol

JMO

Aww Raisin I am always kind, or at least I try very hard to be. I don't think any of us know the absolute truth's, so thank goodness opinions are what keeps this thread going.

#BRING ON THE TRIALS

 

[Cool Cats]

Wasn’t it a bullet under the house that they retrieved? I would think that was from someone shooting at someone on the floor or by fighting over a gun...Just my opinion.

Looking back over my notes it looks like I wrote that
a bullet was found in the dirt under the house and casings in living room and on porch. I'll go back and try to find it on the video again to be sure what was said. I'm trying to get my notes straight on all the ballistics, there were bullet fragments found also, not just casings at Chris Sr's.

 

[LeftEyed]

Thanks! I thought it was reported that a bullet might have gone through a door because of the way his head was turned etc....

Sounds like from this anyway that it is fact. Wow. Now ya gotta wonder what door?

BJM did not see anything wrong with the front door, just that it was locked so my theory is he was shot through a bedroom door and remember, he was found in the back bedroom and maybe that is why.

I, too, think it was the bedroom door.

 

[dgfred]

So maybe the killer/s were already in the house before he noticed something was up... if the bedroom door.

 

[Dudly]

I, too, think it was the bedroom door.

I have always thought it was the bedroom door. He could have been in there when the Ws came in or went back there to hold them off and get a gun. My thought was he was holding the door shut so they couldn’t get in so they shot through the door. My opinions only...

 

[LeftEyed]

So maybe the killer/s were already in the house before he noticed something was up... if the bedroom door.

Just thinking, If Gary wasn't there, CR would be expecting him and the sound of a door or whatever wouldn't startle him. They could walk right in. If CR was in his bedroom, maybe he hears the door and thinks GR's home so he walks out to talk...
If I recall, CR was not shot in his back, correct? He was shot in the forearm, torso, cheek and head.

 

[Niner]

Just thinking, If Gary wasn't there, CR would be expecting him and the sound of a door or whatever wouldn't startle him. They could walk right in. If CR was in his bedroom, maybe he hears the door and thinks GR's home so he walks out to talk...
If I recall, CR was not shot in his back, correct? He was shot in the forearm, torso, cheek and head.

Here's my notes that I got from one of Cool Cats' post


Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (age 40): Nine shots (face, torso, extremities). He suffered was an apparent defensive wound to his right forearm that shattered bone. Also, at least one bullet went through a door before hitting him.

 

[LeftEyed]

Maybe CR could have also been shot in the back since the back is part of the torso. Right?

 

[Tiff23fr]

Makes me wonder if one (or more) of the perps came in the front. He went to the bedroom with the safe to get his gun and was shot through the door. If they knew he would go to the bedroom safe to get his gun, another could have came in the open window or been waiting at the window (like with a scope) as an ambush. He then could have put up his arm as a defensive move.

All random thinking because I'm not sure why this article includes the word "previous". Does anyone know if the coroner can tell the order of gunshot wounds?

The autopsy also notes Christopher Rhoden, Sr. had "stippling" in the head, from a previous shot that came through the door.

Supreme Court orders release of full autopsies from Pike County murders

Random thinking...