OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #58

[GoBuckeyes]

GoBuckeys,
I can’t back up what I’m going tell you because it was rumors around the time the Wagners started to be looked at by the LE, but there was a few posters saying that Angela watched every crime show she could, I believe that how the Wagners covered up a lot of their track’s, JMO

I believe it! I can almost picture her now. She sure did miss a lot of shows, like the one where a forensics team combs the POI's yard with metal detectors. In that case, they found only one spent cartridge. But that was enough for forensics to match it from what was found at the crime scene. Something tells me the BCI found a lot more than 1.

It's too bad that prior to the murders she didn't come across the series "Who the Bleep Did I Marry." Maybe it could have set her on a different course. But then again, maybe she was right in the thick of it all. Sometimes I imagine one or two putting pressure on the rest, but it seems just as plausible that they were all 4 really into it.

One thing I don't see is the poor uneducated Billy got duped or talked into it line of thought. That scorpion tattoo is just ice cold and so twisted there are no words. To me it screams hardened criminal, not hen pecked husband gets roped into wife's devious plot. I sure hope we learn a lot from the audio evidence.

 

[Dudly]

I believe it! I can almost picture her now. She sure did miss a lot of shows, like the one where a forensics team combs the POI's yard with metal detectors. In that case, they found only one spent cartridge. But that was enough for forensics to match it from what was found at the crime scene. Something tells me the BCI found a lot more than 1.

It's too bad that prior to the murders she didn't come across the series "Who the Bleep Did I Marry." Maybe it could have set her on a different course. But then again, maybe she was right in the thick of it all. Sometimes I imagine one or two putting pressure on the rest, but it seems just as plausible that they were all 4 really into it.

One thing I don't see is the poor uneducated Billy got duped or talked into it line of thought. That scorpion tattoo is just ice cold and so twisted there are no words. To me it screams hardened criminal, not hen pecked husband gets roped into wife's devious plot. I sure hope we learn a lot from the audio evidence.

The sad part is that we may never know exactly what happened and why. How could you trust anything the Ws say is true?
I got to where I don’t dwell on the “why” part any more. You could spend a lifetime trying to understand why they thought this was the right thing to do. All of them following through with it is the same thing.

 

[Cool Cats]

All the Wagners have been served and the civil suit filed against them is listed as a seperate case on their Court Dockets under "other civil".

(Billy, Angela, GW4, Jake, Rita, Fredericka)

11/10/2020 CIVIL FILING FEES Receipt: 35450 Date: 11/10/2020

11/10/2020 CIVIL COMPLAINT FOR DAMAGES AND DECLARATORY RELIEF W/JURY TRIAL DEMANDE AND MILITARY ATTESTATION FILED

11/10/2020 CIVIL DEPOSIT Receipt: 35450 Date: 11/10/2020

11/12/2020 ATTESTATION/VERIFICATION OF PLAINTIFF TONY D RHODEN SR IN SUPPORT OF AND/OR AS A SUPLEMENT TO PLAINTIFF'S COMPLAINT FILED (FAX) ***PLACED COPY WITH SERVICE PACKET***

11/12/2020 PRECIPE FOR SERVICE BY CERTIFIED MAIL FILED (FAX)

11/12/2020 SUMMONS ISSUED SUMMONS (N) Sent On: 11/12/2020 09:06:11

11/12/2020 SERVICE BY CERTIFIED MAIL: Issue Date: 11/12/202 0 Service: BASIC SUMMONS Method: CERTIFIED MAIL Cost Per: 13.0000

GEORGE WAGNER, III MAILING ADDRESS C/O BUTLER COUNTY JAIL 705 HANOVER STREET HAMILTON, OH 45011 Tracking Number: 9414726699042160942690

ANGELA WAGNER MAILING ADDRESS C/O DELAWARE COUNTY JAIL 844 US 42 NORTH DELAWARE, OH 43015 Tracking Number: 9414726699042160942706 G

GEORGE WAGNER, IV MAILING ADDRESS C/O ROSS COUNTY JAIL 28 N PAINT STREET CHILLICOTHE, OH 45601 Tracking Number: 9414726699042160942713

EDWARD WAGNER MAILING ADDRESS C/O FRANKLIN COUNTY JAIL 370 S FRONT STREET COLUMBUS, OH 43215 Tracking Number: 9414726699042160942720

RITA NEWCOMB MAILING ADDRESS 34 HAVENER LANE SOUTH WEBSTER, OH 45682 Tracking Number: 9414726699042160942737

FREDERICKA WAGNER MAILING ADDRESS 6861 CAMP CREEK RD LUCASVILLE, OH 45648 Tracking Number: 9414726699042160942744

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[Puzzles8]

CC thank you for staying on top of this.

I wonder how they served the summons to Jane and John Doe?

A John Doe was named in the original charges against the W4 under the Conspiracy Charge. Jane and John Doe are now named in TR's lawsuit.

Who the heck are Jane and John Doe? And what is their direct or indirect participation in these murders?

JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

CC thank you for staying on top of this.

I wonder how they served the summons to Jane and John Doe?

A John Doe was named in the original charges against the W4 under the Conspiracy Charge. Jane and John Doe are now named in TR's lawsuit.

Who the heck are Jane and John Doe? And what is their direct or indirect participation in these murders?

JMO

JMO, The Jane & John Doe is someone that is turning state evidence!
I really think that it has to be a Family Member, because the Wagners do not trust anyone else, JMO

 

[Puzzles8]

JMO, The Jane & John Doe is someone that is turning state evidence!
I really think that it has to be a Family Member, because the Wagners do not trust anyone else, JMO

I agree the Doe's are/were involved in some sort of "business" with someone/s deceased in this case.

The motive is still really unknown.

Why did eight people need to be assassinated? That must be some secret.....?

JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Perhaps in the civil wrongful death filings, the Jane and John Doe's are a female representative for HG, and a male representative for DR???

Just a WAG with nothing concrete to back it up. JMO.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

If so, who is John Doe Defendant 1 and Jane Doe Defendant 2????, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

CC thank you for staying on top of this.

I wonder how they served the summons to Jane and John Doe?

A John Doe was named in the original charges against the W4 under the Conspiracy Charge. Jane and John Doe are now named in TR's lawsuit.

Who the heck are Jane and John Doe? And what is their direct or indirect participation in these murders?

JMO

Ok, Tony is filing against the 6 defendants but lets say that in the year 2025 it comes to light that John Brown was found to have been involved in the stalking of the Rhodens and in securing keys to the residences etc....

Lets say that John Brown's attorney says that the statute of limitations has run out for Tony to filed a law suit against him.

Tony's attorney can point out that, no that is not the case, because the case against John Brown was filed in 2020 with the original lawsuit.

What?

Because when Tony filed his original lawsuit he filed it with John Does and Jane Does added to it, in case more defendants were found in the future.

The John Doe and Jane Doe are there to beat the statute of limitations. If more defendants turn up in the future the John and Jane Doe covers them in the lawsuit.

Same with the Wagner indictments. This is why Jane and John Doe are in the murder indictments.

Fictitious defendants - Wikipedia

What is the Purpose of Suing John Doe for Your Accident?

Fictitious Parties: Specificity Required to Avoid Statute of Limitations Dismissal


A “John Doe” defendant refers to an anonymous defendant. There may be situations in which the plaintiff does not, at the time of filing suit, know the name of the person they intend to sue. As the statute of limitations for many torts, such as personal injury and medical malpractice, is generally very short, plaintiffs are under pressure to issue an originating process within the statute of limitations so as not to waive their claims. In such cases, the anonymous defendant is labeled as “John Doe” or “Jane Doe.”

These types of defendants are common in several situations. For example, police-brutality lawsuits in which the plaintiff does not know the names of the officers allegedly at fault, or in motor vehicle accident cases where the Plaintiff does not know the identity of the driver which struck them and left the scene.

John Doe defendants are especially useful when the statute of limitations is approaching. Naming one in your lawsuit lets you file before the statute expires. This can help if you still do not know the defendant’s identity. The statute of limitations forces you to file a lawsuit within a set amount of time after an injury.

 

[Cool Cats]

CC thank you for staying on top of this.

I wonder how they served the summons to Jane and John Doe?

A John Doe was named in the original charges against the W4 under the Conspiracy Charge. Jane and John Doe are now named in TR's lawsuit.

Who the heck are Jane and John Doe? And what is their direct or indirect participation in these murders?

JMO

No prob ... Thanks to @Berrybell for posting the article:

Relative of 8 slaying victims files wrongful death lawsuit

11/12/2020
SUMMONS ISSUED SUMMONS (N) Sent On: 11/12/2020 09:06:11

11/12/2020
SERVICE BY CERTIFIED MAIL: Issue Date: 11/12/2020 Service: BASIC SUMMONS Method: CERTIFIED MAIL Cost Per: 13.0000

This is the initial basic summons notifying the defendants of the lawsuit. The defendants have to reply to this lawsuit and they will need new civil attorneys, right now, in order to reply before the deadline indicated in the summons.

"Attorney Mark Collins, representing George Billy Wagner III, said, “Once he gets served, I’ll get him to an appropriate civil attorney to defend that.”

How to Respond to a Civil Action Summons

Proper Response to a Summons

Reply to the Summons Letter
You will need to file a formal statement known as an answer in response to the Summons. Filing an answer lets the court know that you intend to defend the case and establishes the basic posture of your legal defenses.

In the answer, provide in writing your defenses to the lawsuit. On a point-by-point basis, you might say that each of the complaint's claims are untrue or you may validate the claims contained in the Summons, but then go on to provide more information to defend or explain your actions.

What if I Don't Respond to the Summons Letter?
If you don't respond the plaintiff may request a default judgment against you. If the default is granted by the judge you'll no longer be able to respond to the lawsuit and defend yourself, also, the plaintiff can win up to the amount they asked for in the lawsuit. You may find your wages garnished, your bank account levied or your property seized.

 

[Dudly]

CC thank you for staying on top of this.

I wonder how they served the summons to Jane and John Doe?

A John Doe was named in the original charges against the W4 under the Conspiracy Charge. Jane and John Doe are now named in TR's lawsuit.

Who the heck are Jane and John Doe? And what is their direct or indirect participation in these murders?

JMO

I think Jane and John Doe are as CC posted. Someone unknown at this time that may have participated or helped the Ws in some way....
It is possible there are no Jane or John Does. They are listed Incase they do exist...

 

[Dudly]

What is your opinion? Can Tony’s law suit get any of FW’s assets?

 

[Fight4justice]

What is your opinion? Can Tony’s law suit get any of FW’s assets?

I would think that if there is proof that any conversations took place at F.W.’s or in her presence about the murders or revenge, she could be held responsible in the civil suit for not reporting what she knew. My opinion only.

 

[Puzzles8]

As COVID, round two, rears it's ugly head, I am less and less hopeful the December court dates will happen on schedule.

While we wait (and wait) I've got a question for you all. It's about their time spent in AK. Did they bring their semi to AK? We know they brought the two Dodge trucks (seen in DM pictures), but what about the semi?

The reason I ask is to try to figure out what they did for 11 or so months up there. Did they hunker down in their rental or were they moving freight or other items around?

When the boys were finally arrested in Ohio, they were driving to go get their semi, so it appears it had not been sold.

Any thoughts?

Be safe all.

PS - I don't recall whose Discovery this was in, but does anyone remember the three Montana "SW's (with #'s) Only two of the three SW's were executed. I'm assuming this is when they (or some combination of the six), were searched at the Montana border. At any rate, it indicates to me LE was expecting three vehicles at the border crossing.

 

[Cool Cats]

As COVID, round two, rears it's ugly head, I am less and less hopeful the December court dates will happen on schedule.

While we wait (and wait) I've got a question for you all. It's about their time spent in AK. Did they bring their semi to AK? We know they brought the two Dodge trucks (seen in DM pictures), but what about the semi?

The reason I ask is to try to figure out what they did for 11 or so months up there. Did they hunker down in their rental or were they moving freight or other items around?

When the boys were finally arrested in Ohio, they were driving to go get their semi, so it appears it had not been sold.

Any thoughts?

Be safe all.

PS - I don't recall whose Discovery this was in, but does anyone remember the three Montana "SW's (with #'s) Only two of the three SW's were executed. I'm assuming this is when they (or some combination of the six), were searched at the Montana border. At any rate, it indicates to me LE was expecting three vehicles at the border crossing.

March 20th 2019 - State's Supplemental Discovery - Angela Wagner

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Montana
Letter (1 p)
SW-7-2017-255 (59 pp)
SW-7-2017-256 (59 pp)
SW-7-2017-257 (56 pp) (not executed)

Pictured, people in laser focus of multiple murder hunt | Daily Mail Online

(Pointing out 2 sources for article quotes)

The Wagner's Ohio attorney John Kearson Clark told DailyMail.com: 'Authorities have had leads. They have dropped the ball and not acted quick enough… time is of the essence in these type of cases.

The pastor at the Wagner family church Caleb Cinereski said: 'They are innocent and the police should charge them or leave them alone.

DailyMail.com traced the family of six to their hideaway, tucked away from a busy road and among woodland where grizzly bears are known to roam.
George Sr has told locals he has a gun, but is re-examining his supply of ammunition to ensure the children are protected should wild animals emerge from the woodlands and attack.

DailyMail.com asked George Jr why they had put down new roots in Alaska and if the police scrutiny was wearing his family down, but he refused to comment.

The Wagners, who drove from Ohio in three trucks with trailers, keeping in touch vehicle-to-vehicle with CB radios, are trying their best to blend into the remote community which has a population a little over 7,000.

GW4 and Jake both have trucks with large CB radio aerials with Ohio registration plates, work as mechanics and travel daily to tend to assignments they can find, loading their tools into the trunks of their trucks.

The men have a penchant for quad bikes and their trucks loaded up with the equipment is a familiar sight as they head for the off-road tracks.

Can't confirm if this is a photo of the Wagner's trucks. This photo is included in the article with all the other photos.

If these license plates look like Ohio 2017 plates and if those are large CB radio aerials, then good chance these are the Wagner trucks... Opinion.

 

[Cool Cats]

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[Betty P]

Ok, Tony is filing against the 6 defendants but lets say that in the year 2025 it comes to light that John Brown was found to have been involved in the stalking of the Rhodens and in securing keys to the residences etc....

While it's just speculation, such a scenario is impossible. DeWine has said repeatedly that there are no others who were involved in the planning and execution of the Rhoden/Gilley family murders. If there were anyone else involved, they would have been arrested and indicted.

Any John Doe's being named in civil suits may be "place holder" identities in the event there were other people who might have had some knowledge of something.

This close to the trials it would be very harmful to imply that there are other people involved in the murders and that LE and the Ohio governor are lying to cover for them (the only logical possibility). JMO

 

[Dudly]

As COVID, round two, rears it's ugly head, I am less and less hopeful the December court dates will happen on schedule.

While we wait (and wait) I've got a question for you all. It's about their time spent in AK. Did they bring their semi to AK? We know they brought the two Dodge trucks (seen in DM pictures), but what about the semi?

The reason I ask is to try to figure out what they did for 11 or so months up there. Did they hunker down in their rental or were they moving freight or other items around?

When the boys were finally arrested in Ohio, they were driving to go get their semi, so it appears it had not been sold.

Any thoughts?

Be safe all.

PS - I don't recall whose Discovery this was in, but does anyone remember the three Montana "SW's (with #'s) Only two of the three SW's were executed. I'm assuming this is when they (or some combination of the six), were searched at the Montana border. At any rate, it indicates to me LE was expecting three vehicles at the border crossing.

I for one was confused by the comment the brothers were on their way to get “their” truck when arrested. How did they still have “their” truck. If it was paid off, why didn’t they sell it for funds to use to go to Alaska? They apparently had not planned to come back. If it wasn’t paid off how did they keep up payments on it if they couldn’t afford to stay in Alaska?
Something about all that just doesn’t seem right. Maybe they were going to get “a” truck not “their” truck. Maybe none of it is correct. Who knows with this case...

 

[OhioBlues]

As COVID, round two, rears it's ugly head, I am less and less hopeful the December court dates will happen on schedule.

While we wait (and wait) I've got a question for you all. It's about their time spent in AK. Did they bring their semi to AK? We know they brought the two Dodge trucks (seen in DM pictures), but what about the semi?

The reason I ask is to try to figure out what they did for 11 or so months up there. Did they hunker down in their rental or were they moving freight or other items around?

When the boys were finally arrested in Ohio, they were driving to go get their semi, so it appears it had not been sold.

Any thoughts?

Be safe all.

PS - I don't recall whose Discovery this was in, but does anyone remember the three Montana "SW's (with #'s) Only two of the three SW's were executed. I'm assuming this is when they (or some combination of the six), were searched at the Montana border. At any rate, it indicates to me LE was expecting three vehicles at the border crossing.

There is no way that those December court dates are happening IMO.

I don't know about the trucks. I know Ohio's Covid situation tho. IMO.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

"Conklin said the family arrived driving two heavy-duty pickup trucks pulling a large horse trailer and another 24-foot-long trailer covered with a tarp and have been in the process of unpacking it.

Jake Wagner told Conklin it took the family about a week to drive to Alaska and they got stopped at the Canadian border in North Dakota. Officials there made them unload the trailers and reload them before letting them pass through.

That's just about the only trouble they mentioned," Conklin said."

Family named in Ohio massacre investigation moves to Alaska | wbir.com